Forbidden fruit = electricity

[Treedbear]

I agree, seems the obvious meaning of the allegory. No self awareness and knowledge and no sin or corruption.

"Ignorance is bliss." Heaven is eternal bliss. But willful ignorance is like a blister. Eventually turns into callous thoughts.

Man and woman don't get that far though. The question is, why is god upset that the fruit is eaten? Many reasons are suggested.

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• Michael Bay wrote himself into a corner and just panicked.

Apparently he's working on the next episode in which Adam and Eve end up in China looking for work:

Universal this week announced it has acquired the rights to Little America.

... “the tale is set in a dystopian future where a Donald Trump-like president has bankrupted America and China has called in its debts. The Asian giant now owns the US, and many Americans have emigrated to China looking for work.”

(ETA - Oops. That was from 2017. I don't get out much.)

 

[skepticalbip]

• God is an asshole and wanted to keep man and woman as underlings, and didn't want them as equals. This is supported the most in the actual scripture as it is the reason man and woman are booted from the Garden... if they eat from the tree of life, they become no different than gods.

This seems the most reasonable explanation considering that he later became really pissed at humans' growing knowledge and abilities. In a spiteful attempt to keep humans in their place, he destroyed the tower of Babel and confused their language so they couldn't communicate with each other..

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think "God is an asshole" might be the accurate answer for a lot of questions regarding the Bible.

Why did God harden the Pharaoh's heart instead of allowing him to let the Hebrews go? God is an asshole.

Why did God have his people wander the wilderness for 40 years?! God is an asshole.

Why did God allow his people to be enslaved by the Babylonians? You know...

 

[Treedbear]

I think "God is an asshole" might be the accurate answer for a lot of questions regarding the Bible.

Why did God harden the Pharaoh's heart instead of allowing him to let the Hebrews go? God is an asshole.

Why did God have his people wander the wilderness for 40 years?! God is an asshole.

Why did God allow his people to be enslaved by the Babylonians? You know...

He was a dickhead?

 

[skepticalbip]

I think "God is an asshole" might be the accurate answer for a lot of questions regarding the Bible.

Why did God harden the Pharaoh's heart instead of allowing him to let the Hebrews go? God is an asshole.

Why did God have his people wander the wilderness for 40 years?! God is an asshole.

Why did God allow his people to be enslaved by the Babylonians? You know...

He was a dickhead?

That seems to be a logical conclusion considering all the dickhead things it is claimed he has done to humans. There are just too many people who are like abused wives that mistake abuse for love... the story of Job is a good example.

 

[steve_bank]

I don't think it is ignorance is bliss.

Some commentary I heard it may have been about the transition from free roaming nomads to a fixed agrarian culture where you had to work everyday. There are still nomads in North Africa and Israel.

 

[Learner]

• God is an asshole and wanted to keep man and woman as underlings, and didn't want them as equals. This is supported the most in the actual scripture as it is the reason man and woman are booted from the Garden... if they eat from the tree of life, they become no different than gods.

This seems the most reasonable explanation considering that he later became really pissed at humans' growing knowledge and abilities. In a spiteful attempt to keep humans in their place, he destroyed the tower of Babel and confused their language so they couldn't communicate with each other..

Interesting perspective from a concept taking from a "growing knowledge and abilities" understanding, noting especially when we have globally been a bit on-edge with each-others military developements all over the world, especially now that we can develop technological advanced weaponry to destroy great masses of human-beings with a mere nod of the head and a push of a button.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

• God is an asshole and wanted to keep man and woman as underlings, and didn't want them as equals. This is supported the most in the actual scripture as it is the reason man and woman are booted from the Garden... if they eat from the tree of life, they become no different than gods.

This seems the most reasonable explanation considering that he later became really pissed at humans' growing knowledge and abilities. In a spiteful attempt to keep humans in their place, he destroyed the tower of Babel and confused their language so they couldn't communicate with each other..

Interesting perspective from a concept taking from a "growing knowledge and abilities" understanding, noting especially when we have globally been a bit on-edge with each-others military developements all over the world, especially now that we can develop technological advanced weaponry to destroy great masses of human-beings with a mere nod of the head and a push of a button.

But that's unrelated to getting mad over people building a tower, which probably wasn't all that large anyways, given that one can only pile dung so high.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

• God is an asshole and wanted to keep man and woman as underlings, and didn't want them as equals. This is supported the most in the actual scripture as it is the reason man and woman are booted from the Garden... if they eat from the tree of life, they become no different than gods.

This seems the most reasonable explanation considering that he later became really pissed at humans' growing knowledge and abilities. In a spiteful attempt to keep humans in their place, he destroyed the tower of Babel and confused their language so they couldn't communicate with each other..

Interesting perspective from a concept taking from a "growing knowledge and abilities" understanding, noting especially when we have globally been a bit on-edge with each-others military developements all over the world, especially now that we can develop technological advanced weaponry to destroy great masses of human-beings with a mere nod of the head and a push of a button.

So you are saying god is a maniacal deity? Would explain The Flood.

 

[steve_bank]

God creates humans. Humans get too smart. God gets angry, but god created humans.

Did god foul up? Did it not see all possible ends?

Oh my...this is all so very complicated. Much easier to just blindly believe. God works in mysterious ways incomprehensible to me.

The theists here seem unable to consider that the writers of the tales were using god as metaphor to explain human experiences.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

The theists here seem unable to consider that the writers of the tales were using god as metaphor to explain human experiences.

The religious claim of original sin is a quite sinister makeover of intelligent humans observing that they have problems needing addressed. It takes religious nutters to come along and say that all humans are filthy, dirty and cursed, even newborns, and that only by invoking a maniacal magical spaceman can we be saved.

The religious con artists say to just give up, admit to your shameful, despicable and unforgivable depravity and give yourself and your wealth to the con artists selling woo. These folks actually need to be sterilized so they can't breed because they're obviously talking about themselves.

 

[ideologyhunter]

1. When it comes to man's so-called depraved, fallen nature, the fault would lie with the manufacturer, right? A creator god like the Bible-humpers propose would not only have known his creature's intellectual limits, he would've fully known their character and judgment. And how could their decision with the fruit have surprised him? Believers always tell us god lives outside o' time and knows the full arc of the existence of the universe. He not only knew what they were likely to do -- he knew exactly what they'd do. So there was never a chance they could've lived in some kind of brain-stunted euphoria, in the absence of the knowledge of good and evil. And God knew that all along. (And their absence of knowledge of good/evil makes them blameless -- dunnit??)
2. Faith, and a non-drug-induced vision, tells me that the fruit was not the fabled apple but rather the lowly persimmon, which makes the whole story fall more in favor of the two naked humans. In appearance, it looked like a lovely, tasty morsel. But after the first indecisive bite and then a few more convincing bites, you know that A & E woke up in a hurry. Adam: Jesus, this stuff is awful!! (I like to think that 'Jesus' existed as a sibilant outburst long before it was Anyone's name.) Eve: You can't even use this shit in a pie. Adam: God is a dick. And, where's that goddamned snake? I'm going to knock in his fucking head with a rock. (Turning to Eve:...) Say. Nice jugs.

 

[steve_bank]

The theists here seem unable to consider that the writers of the tales were using god as metaphor to explain human experiences.

The religious claim of original sin is a quite sinister makeover of intelligent humans observing that they have problems needing addressed. It takes religious nutters to come along and say that all humans are filthy, dirty and cursed, even newborns, and that only by invoking a maniacal magical spaceman can we be saved.

The religious con artists say to just give up, admit to your shameful, despicable and unforgivable depravity and give yourself and your wealth to the con artists selling woo. These folks actually need to be sterilized so they can't breed because they're obviously talking about themselves.

As a kid in Catholic grammar school I was taught you are born a sinner. The only way to avid Hello is to be baptized a Catholic.

Basic mind control.. Those of us raised in Catholic schools always carry a residual guilt for leaving.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

The theists here seem unable to consider that the writers of the tales were using god as metaphor to explain human experiences.

The religious claim of original sin is a quite sinister makeover of intelligent humans observing that they have problems needing addressed. It takes religious nutters to come along and say that all humans are filthy, dirty and cursed, even newborns, and that only by invoking a maniacal magical spaceman can we be saved.

The religious con artists say to just give up, admit to your shameful, despicable and unforgivable depravity and give yourself and your wealth to the con artists selling woo. These folks actually need to be sterilized so they can't breed because they're obviously talking about themselves.

As a kid in Catholic grammar school I was taught you are born a sinner. The only way to avid Hello is to be baptized a Catholic.

Basic mind control.. Those of us raised in Catholic schools always carry a residual guilt for leaving.

Guilt? Really? It must be simply a basic human dynamic operating in which just departing any organization or group is associated with that sentiment. Is the feeling you have like you've weakened the organization somehow? Stockholm Syndrome maybe?

 

[steve_bank]

As a kid in Catholic grammar school I was taught you are born a sinner. The only way to avid Hello is to be baptized a Catholic.

Basic mind control.. Those of us raised in Catholic schools always carry a residual guilt for leaving.

Guilt? Really? It must be simply a basic human dynamic operating in which just departing any organization or group is associated with that sentiment. Is the feeling you have like you've weakened the organization somehow? Stockholm Syndrome maybe?

It is an inside ex Catholic joke.

 

[Elixir]

The op is correct. Wet a finger, touch one end of a battery, then touch the other end to your tongue. The sour taste is unmistakably fruity.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

As a kid in Catholic grammar school I was taught you are born a sinner. The only way to avid Hello is to be baptized a Catholic.

Basic mind control.. Those of us raised in Catholic schools always carry a residual guilt for leaving.

Guilt? Really? It must be simply a basic human dynamic operating in which just departing any organization or group is associated with that sentiment. Is the feeling you have like you've weakened the organization somehow? Stockholm Syndrome maybe?

It is an inside ex Catholic joke.

My wife talks about that when something unfortunate happens. She asks, "How is this my fault?

If I want to keep myself in money it's not a bad gig selling this twaddle. You tell people they've inherited magic poison and then sell them the magic antidote. Lots of people aren't so bright so it's profitable if one is a sociopath.

 

[steve_bank]

It is an inside ex Catholic joke.

My wife talks about that when something unfortunate happens. She asks, "How is this my fault?

If I want to keep myself in money it's not a bad gig selling this twaddle. You tell people they've inherited magic poison and then sell them the magic antidote. Lots of people aren't so bright so it's profitable if one is a sociopath.

You can take the kid out of the chrch but you cn not take the church out of the kid, or something like that.

There was a TV add some time back by the RCC calling lapsed Catholics back to mother church. Sorrowful music in the background and a fatherly voice.

The conditioning runs deep. I was subjected to it for 18 years. The question is how some of us manged to get out of it.