Former SNL comedian is forced off the stage for not being PC

[Koyaanisqatsi]

I cannot decide which is stupidest - Patel's performance, that one woman's reaction to it quoted in , or the OP and its kneejerk applauders.

OP and its kneejerk applauders. The Daily Mail mischaracterized what wa actually just a terrible set that got mercy-killed after thirty minutes because it was a terrible (and then offensive) set.

In fact, were it not for the salacious "PC" angle, the headline--if one even ever would have existed--would have been "Comedian Bombs Onstage - Mic Cut."

And that's it.

 

[dismal]

I cannot decide which is stupidest - Patel's performance, that one woman's reaction to it quoted in , or the OP and its kneejerk applauders.

OP and its kneejerk applauders. The Daily Mail mischaracterized what wa actually just a terrible set that got mercy-killed after thirty minutes because it was a terrible (and then offensive) set.

In fact, were it not for the salacious "PC" angle, the headline--if one even ever would have existed--would have been "Comedian Bombs Onstage - Mic Cut."

And that's it.

Well, admittedly some of us may have been fooled into thinking people were saying his jokes were racist and bigoted by all the people saying his jokes were racist and bigoted.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, admittedly some of us may have been fooled into thinking people were saying his jokes were racist and bigoted by all the people saying his jokes were racist and bigoted.

Yes, but who were these people saying the jokes were racist and bigoted? Were they the white men who's opinions don't matter or were they the white men who've taken on the burden of being the morality police? We need to know how credible their statements are.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Well, admittedly some of us may have been fooled into thinking people were saying his jokes were racist and bigoted by all the people saying his jokes were racist and bigoted.

So, you mean the Daily Mail. And "all the people" looks to be about three or four? And since they were the ones offended, they get to make that call, not you. Nobody gives a flying fuck what you think is or is not offensive to someone else.

As for the reason the comedian's mic got cut, since it took thirty minutes for that to happen, it's a clear indication that the reason wasn't just one five second joke; that instead it was a long and drawn out "trainwreck" of a set like comedians have all the fucking time that aren't that good or didn't read the room right or a thousand other reasons why they "sucked the air out of the auditorium" as someone who was actually there noted.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

If an employer can fire someone for being gay, a comedy club can fire someone for offensive jokes.

 

[Opoponax]

Oh good, Higgins is here again to reflexively defend the crazy shit leftists spew out without actually offering any coherent defense of it.

Going off the assumption that all this happened the way it's being portrayed...

Stuff like this is truly pathetic, and rails against free speech. The shutting down of an artist's* work is vile.

However, as bothersome and annoying as these types of incidents are, the people shutting down such speech activities don't hold any power. They're not legislators at any level of any government. They're snotty kids who will grow out of this phase.

It's not an issue that should be ignored, but it is one that needs to be kept in perspective.

*To be fair, that joke is old and I've heard it from different comics before. So this guy was stealing other people's work. Still, he shouldn't have been shouted down.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Going off the assumption that all this happened the way it's being portrayed...

It did not, as, again, someone who was actually there has already clarified.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Snowflakes take offense and boot Nimesh Patel off stage, hilarious;

A former SNL comedian was kicked off stage by event organizers who snatched the mic from his hands mid-set because his 'offensive' jokes were deemed 'racist' and 'homophobic'. Nimesh Patel was performing a stand-up comedy gig at an event hosted by Columbia University’s Asian American Alliance (AAA) when he was ordered off the stage. The Emmy Award nominated writer, who was the first Indian-American writer for SNL, was taking part in an annual charity event called cultureSHOCK: Reclaim last Friday when he made the remarks. The 32-year-old reportedly joked that being a gay black man can not be a choice because, 'no one looks in the mirror and thinks, "this black thing is too easy, let me just add another thing to it"', according to the Columbia Spectator.

DailyMail

For Sofia Jao, problems with the performance resided not in the set, but with Patel’s closing remarks.

“I really dislike when people who are older say that our generation needs to be exposed to the real world. Obviously the world is not a safe space but just accepting that it's not and continuing to perpetuate the un-safeness of it… is saying that it can’t be changed,” said Jao. “When older generations say you need to stop being so sensitive, it’s like undermining what our generation is trying to do in accepting others and making it safer.”

Poor Sofia, I weep for her. Weep tears of laughter that is.

Oh no! He said something bigoted and people had a problem with that?

Audiences should be forced to listen to bigoted talk and businesses should be forced to provide a platform for bigoted talk whether they want to or not, because that would make us more free.

PS[ent]mdash[/ent]Dear conservatives and libertarians (who are completely different, but just happen to take most of the same positions on the same issues using the same phrasings to their arguments),
We have a number of openly fascist/white supremacist posters on this forum, including one who uses an avatar with an image of the fasces, from which the word fascist comes. Did you notice that you are taking the same side using the same arguments as the white supremacists? What do you suppose that means?

After being told this is false propaganda, they're still trying to frame it that way. So, you are being way too easy on these guys. I mean, they're not even snowflakes, they're fake snowflakes.

 

[Opoponax]

Going off the assumption that all this happened the way it's being portrayed...

It did not, as, again, someone who was actually there has already clarified.

The issue is still worth entertaining though. Worse offenses than this have certainly happened, e.g. speakers not even being allowed to take the stage for scheduled speaking events due to the hyper PC crowd throwing a fit. And when we hear about that happening, the left's reaction is to minimize the importance of it. And this kind of thing doesn't just happen with neo-Nazi instigators of hate and violence. Hell, Jerry Seinfeld won't do college shows because of this nonsense.

It is fair to ask what good leftist values are if future leaders are going to try and shout down free speech. It is only different from Trump's hatred of free speech by degree. The young people have no power, but they will some day. Supporting them in intimidating artists now may lead to bad things in the future.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

If an employer can fire someone for being gay, a comedy club can fire someone for offensive jokes.

Are you endorsing an employer can fire someone for being gay? If not, this argument rests on no foundation.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

However, as bothersome and annoying as these types of incidents are, the people shutting down such speech activities don't hold any power. They're not legislators at any level of any government. They're snotty kids who will grow out of this phase.

I have been seeing this written over and over as if it is some sort of mantra. I'm not convinced it is entirely true. We've already seen this stuff spill over from college campuses into society at large, including employment tribunals.

It's not an issue that should be ignored, but it is one that needs to be kept in perspective.

This reminds me somewhat of when MRA groups talk about issues facing men and boys, and feminists get angry about that, because "women and girls face bigger problems".

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Going off the assumption that all this happened the way it's being portrayed...

It did not, as, again, someone who was actually there has already clarified.

The issue is still worth entertaining though.

What issue? Comedians bombing onstage?

Worse offenses than this have certainly happened, e.g. speakers not even being allowed to take the stage for scheduled speaking events due to the hyper PC crowd throwing a fit.

Then you'd have to specify each event and we'd have to do a similar post-mortem to see exactly why it was that happened instead of relying on third hand accounts from biased news organizations (like the Daily Mail ffs; not even an American company).

And when we hear about that happening, the left's reaction is to minimize the importance of it.

Again, can you point to any specific example, as this is quite clearly not one. The comedian bombed for thirty minutes before his mic was finally cut off. That is nothing like a speaker not "even being allowed to take the stage" due to some imaginary "hyper PC crowd throwing a fit."

And this kind of thing doesn't just happen with neo-Nazi instigators of hate and violence. Hell, Jerry Seinfeld won't do college shows because of this nonsense.

Well, if Jerry won't then I guess it's settled.

It is fair to ask what good leftist values are if future leaders are going to try and shout down free speech.

Yeah, again, before you get out your soapbox, it would help considerably if you gave a specific example you can link to and we can all deconstruct, because this ain't it.

 

[blastula]

Well, admittedly some of us may have been fooled into thinking people were saying his jokes were racist and bigoted by all the people saying his jokes were racist and bigoted.

So, you mean the Daily Mail. And "all the people" looks to be about three or four?

Including the guy in your link. So, are you saying it was not bigoted?

And since they were the ones offended, they get to make that call, not you. Nobody gives a flying fuck what you think is or is not offensive to someone else.

Or are you saying it was bigoted?

 

[Mumbles]

Gee, you're such a macho tough guy TSwizzle!

Odd response but anyway;

To me, his routine was strangely obsessed with Black people, my favorite part being when he questioned why there was so much online outrage that Black actors weren’t nominated at the Oscars in 2016, but not for Asian actors. Patel’s anti-Blackness jumped out: The hashtag was #OscarsSoWhite, not #OscarsNotBlack.

His blatant anti-Blackness leads me to the most talked about part of the performance.

The joke went like this: Patel came to the stellar realization that being gay can’t be a choice because “no one looks in the mirror and thinks, ‘this black thing is too easy, let me just add another thing to it.’” To a non-Black, non-queer person, it might be novel. But if you’re Black and gay, you don’t need a straight South Asian guy to point out that your life is hard because you’re Black and gay. That’s not insightful––it’s painfully unoriginal. “I wouldn’t choose to live with homophobia while facing racism,” has crossed the minds of queer Black people, probably in a moment of distress or when faced with homophobia in their own community.

This is the issue with telling jokes about other people’s identities: It’s hard to grasp the intricacies of a life you haven’t lived. Personally, I think comedians should be allowed to tell jokes about different communities, but they often end up falling into clichés, stereotypes, or just predictable material. Patel brought himself on stage to perform a tired joke, the punchline being marginalized struggles about which he has no true insight. Some may argue that he was making a comment on society’s racism and homophobia, but for whom? I watched a brown man use the experiences of Black people to make white people ponder and laugh while two of my gay Black friends cringed.

Concerning "Patel’s anti-Blackness jumped out: The hashtag was #OscarsSoWhite, not #OscarsNotBlack." The creator of the hashtag has stated this explicitly and repeatedly, using this exact argument, so this one is a fair point.

Where the fuck to begin with this claptrap I do not know but I am in deep shock that poor "Liberty Martin" (FFS!) gay Black (note the captal "B" in black but no capital "G" in gay) friends were a tad uncomfortable. Oh the humanity !!

"Black" is being used as an ethnicity here, so, like "Jewish", "Irish" or "Hispanic" (or for that matter, "Southern"), it should be capitalized. "Gay" is not a name for anything, but a description of a person's sexuality, so it's not capitalized in the quote - fully appropriate.

Also, why would Black students be organizing an event for the Asian American Alliance, and why would a comedian choose to tell jokes about Black people for such an event? This description strikes me as far more likely than the (notoriously unreliable) Daily Mail, and if he was getting all snarly on stage and then bombed for a half hour...well, yeah, they're free to ask him to leave. You don't want to put on a bad show for any audience.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Including the guy in your link. So, are you saying it was not bigoted? Or are you saying it was bigoted?

I'm saying I don't give a flying fuck because, (a) I wasn't there, (b) I'm not black or gay and therefore have no say in what may or may not have offend either a black person or a gay person, let alone a black gay person and most importantly, (c) that this is all a total red herring the Daily Mail concocted to sell ad space to beta cucks.

The reason the event organizers cut off the comedian's mic is because he was bombing for a half hour AND evidently being offensive to people in the audience while doing so. Period. There is absolutely no story here whatsoever beyond "Comedian Bombs - Mic Cut."

 

[Axulus]

He was not booted for "bombing" for 30 minutes. Here are the official reasons he was booted, according to the group that invited him and also booted him (AAA):

AAA defended its decision to give Patel the boot. “Patel’s remarks ran counter to the inclusive spirit and integrity of cultureSHOCK and as such, the choice was made to invite him to leave,” the group wrote on Facebook. “We acknowledge that discomfort and safety can coexist, however, the discomfort Patel caused was unproductive in this space.” AAA added, “We deeply apologize for inviting him in the first place.”

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/enter...sity-inappropriate-standup-set-181726667.html

No mention of bombing. Any other reasons one comes up with are cherry picked from unofficial sources to fit one's biases.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

If an employer can fire someone for being gay, a comedy club can fire someone for offensive jokes.

Are you endorsing an employer can fire someone for being gay? If not, this argument rests on no foundation.

No. I'm saying according to the argument that an employer can fire someone for any reason (including being gay) then it follows that a comedy club could fire someone for making offensive jokes. Not endorsing the argument, just pointing out the logical conclusion.

 

[Axulus]

If an employer can fire someone for being gay, a comedy club can fire someone for offensive jokes.

Are you endorsing an employer can fire someone for being gay? If not, this argument rests on no foundation.

No. I'm saying according to the argument that an employer can fire someone for any reason (including being gay) then it follows that a comedy club could fire someone for making offensive jokes. Not endorsing the argument, just pointing out the logical conclusion.

Of course they could and should be able to fire someone for offensive jokes or for any reason why they didn't like the jokes. I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise.

 

[Axulus]

Colleges do not make good venues for comedy. As Chris Rock said, they are "way too conservative."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ch...-comics-perspec-0204-20150203-column,amp.html

Jerry Seinfield won't perform at them either. Jerry Seinfield's humor is so clean, it will leave your teeth white at the end of it. Even he thinks college kids are too PC.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/coll...oid-college-gigs-students-are-so-pc/37403583/

In other words, this is pretty old news. Colleges are not the place to be performing most stand up comedy.

 

[Opoponax]

The issue is still worth entertaining though.

What issue? Comedians bombing onstage?

Worse offenses than this have certainly happened, e.g. speakers not even being allowed to take the stage for scheduled speaking events due to the hyper PC crowd throwing a fit.

Then you'd have to specify each event and we'd have to do a similar post-mortem to see exactly why it was that happened instead of relying on third hand accounts from biased news organizations (like the Daily Mail ffs; not even an American company).

And when we hear about that happening, the left's reaction is to minimize the importance of it.

Again, can you point to any specific example, as this is quite clearly not one. The comedian bombed for thirty minutes before his mic was finally cut off. That is nothing like a speaker not "even being allowed to take the stage" due to some imaginary "hyper PC crowd throwing a fit."

And this kind of thing doesn't just happen with neo-Nazi instigators of hate and violence. Hell, Jerry Seinfeld won't do college shows because of this nonsense.

Well, if Jerry won't then I guess it's settled.

It is fair to ask what good leftist values are if future leaders are going to try and shout down free speech.

Yeah, again, before you get out your soapbox, it would help considerably if you gave a specific example you can link to and we can all deconstruct, because this ain't it.

Go play that game with someone else. You know exactly what I'm talking about and to think that I have to name every entertainer and public figure that's been shouted down by overreacting PC Principal children and post them for your convenience is bullshit. The problem exists, so address the problem.

Or, you could just say that you enjoy it when speech you disagree with is shouted down and suppressed by an extreme but vocal minority. And since that appears to be the case, and since you're so willing to not engage this issue in good faith, what possible credibility are you supposed to have on anything?