Founder of Papa John's used the n-word

[Underseer]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/noahki...-used-n-word-on-conference-call/#1cc0113d4cfc

The founder of Papa John's pizza chain is in hot water for using the n-word in a conference call.

I'm worried that people will fixate on the n-word instead of what he meant. In the conference call, this happened:

On the May call, Schnatter was asked how he would distance himself from racist groups online. He responded by downplaying the significance of his NFL statement. “Colonel Sanders called blacks n-----s,” Schnatter allegedly said, before complaining that Sanders never faced public backlash.

So he didn't use the n-word, he was attributing use of the n-word word to someone else. That is not in and of itself racist.

But if your response to an accusation of racism is to point out that someone else is even more racist, you're racist. If you have to point to a Southerner from an older generation to find an example of someone more racist than you, you're pretty fucking racist.

Further, it should not be this difficult to distance yourself from white supremacists identitarians.

Disclaimer
Dear conservatives and libertarians who happen to use the same arguments to take the same position on this topic,

I apologise for saying that racism is a bad thing. If your feelings were hurt by my political correctness, I apologise for being a Social Justice Warrior. I'm sorry that your free speech is now gone, and this is clearly an example of White Genocide.

I should have been more considerate of your fragile feelings. I'm so, so sorry!​

 

[ZiprHead]

Not Papa John! A conservative who thinks his employees that made him wealthy should be treated like shit is a racist too? Inconceivable.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

So quoting other people saying bad things is wrong? That's interesting.

This could have severe implications on defamation cases.
"He called me an xxx"
"OMG, you said the word xxx"
"OMG, now you said the word xxx. OMG, now I said the word xxx."

 

[Trausti]

This is comical. Still like Papa John's, though.

 

[Keith&Co.]

So quoting other people saying bad things is wrong? That's interesting.

This could have severe implications on defamation cases.
"He called me an xxx"
"OMG, you said the word xxx"
"OMG, now you said the word xxx. OMG, now I said the word xxx."

Yeah, I remember that part of the Knights who used to say Ni.

On the other hand, if you're even slightly opposed to the N-word, you don't use the N-word. There are other ways to make a point without raising too many hackles.

"Sanders used to drop the N-bomb and..."
"Sanders used to use the N-word, and..."
"Sanders used to spell Negro with two 'g's and..."
"Sanders used derogatory words for blacks, and..."

It's not all that hard to make double-damned sure not to even chance being associated with The Word.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So what was his point? He seemed at best to sway investor concerns regarding Papa Johns getting too much alt-right love and he says KFC didn't have issues decades ago.

 

[Keith&Co.]

So what was his point?

THEY said, you gotta not be in front of the camera no more.
HE said, you gotta not be in my company no more.
HE hired a new They to help him restore his image.
THEY wondered aloud what they could do to restore his image, prevent future image self-demolition.
HE said, "At least I'm not dragging them behind trucks," and used the N-word to say at least he wasn't using the N-word, like that plantation stereotype.
THEY said, 'Aw, fuck, man.'

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'm just glad Papa Johns is crap pizza, so it isn't even nigger remotely possible I'd eat their stuff.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

On the other hand, if you're even slightly opposed to the N-word, you don't use the N-word. There are other ways to make a point without raising too many hackles.

"Sanders used to drop the N-bomb and..."
"Sanders used to use the N-word, and..."
"Sanders used to spell Negro with two 'g's and..."
"Sanders used derogatory words for blacks, and..."

There is something seriously wrong with society when you can't say magic words or even say what other people said, if even to criticize them for saying it.

 

[Keith&Co.]

I'm just glad Papa Johns is crap pizza, so it isn't even nigger remotely possible I'd eat their stuff.

Funny.

My sons can say, 'These (word)s went into a Papa John's...,' and it's an anecdote.
If I say it, it's a hate crime.

 

[Derec]

There is something seriously wrong with society when you can't say magic words or even say what other people said, if even to criticize them for saying it.

I don't think it should be blasphemy just to say Jehovah.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

There is something seriously wrong with society when you can't say magic words or even say what other people said, if even to criticize them for saying it.

I don't think it should be blasphemy just to say Jehovah.

Always look on the bright side of life.

 

[Keith&Co.]

On the other hand, if you're even slightly opposed to the N-word, you don't use the N-word. There are other ways to make a point without raising too many hackles.

"Sanders used to drop the N-bomb and..."
"Sanders used to use the N-word, and..."
"Sanders used to spell Negro with two 'g's and..."
"Sanders used derogatory words for blacks, and..."

There is something seriously wrong with society when you can't say magic words or even say what other people said, if even to criticize them for saying it.

Never said he couldn't say 'the magic word.'
He can say it. Clearly, he did say it.
But now he faces the consequences of saying the word.
Which he should face, because there were ways to get the exact same message across without using the word.

Not all that sure that the message was criticizing Sanders, though. Seems more like he's being critical of today's media, holding him responsible for something that people got away with back in the dark ages.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

On the other hand, if you're even slightly opposed to the N-word, you don't use the N-word. There are other ways to make a point without raising too many hackles.

"Sanders used to drop the N-bomb and..."
"Sanders used to use the N-word, and..."
"Sanders used to spell Negro with two 'g's and..."
"Sanders used derogatory words for blacks, and..."

There is something seriously wrong with society when you can't say magic words or even say what other people said, if even to criticize them for saying it.

Never said he couldn't say 'the magic word.'
He can say it. Clearly, he did say it.
But now he faces the consequences of saying the word.
Which he should face, because there were ways to get the exact same message across without using the word.

Not all that sure that the message was criticizing Sanders, though. Seems more like he's being critical of today's media, holding him responsible for something that people got away with back in the dark ages.

"Modern society" is weak and lame. Some people will have a conniption over anything. He didn't use any words to demean anyone and that's the entire point of racial epithets; to demean human beings.

 

[Keith&Co.]

He didn't use any words to demean anyone and that's the entire point of racial epithets; to demean human beings.

Wait, he used a racial epithet, one which exists to demean people, but he did not use it to demean people... So, what, it doesn't count and he didn't casually use a racial epithet?

 

[laughing dog]

To be fair, Papa John's pizzas demean people by their taste.

 

[ZiprHead]

To be fair, Papa John's pizzas demean people by their taste.

Demeans the very idea of pizza.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Never said he couldn't say 'the magic word.'
He can say it. Clearly, he did say it.
But now he faces the consequences of saying the word.
Which he should face, because there were ways to get the exact same message across without using the word.

Not all that sure that the message was criticizing Sanders, though. Seems more like he's being critical of today's media, holding him responsible for something that people got away with back in the dark ages.

"Modern society" is weak and lame. Some people will have a conniption over anything. He didn't use any words to demean anyone and that's the entire point of racial epithets; to demean human beings.

Agreed. His investors should have complained about their awful product as people will start noticing.

 

[Underseer]

Never said he couldn't say 'the magic word.'
He can say it. Clearly, he did say it.
But now he faces the consequences of saying the word.
Which he should face, because there were ways to get the exact same message across without using the word.

Not all that sure that the message was criticizing Sanders, though. Seems more like he's being critical of today's media, holding him responsible for something that people got away with back in the dark ages.

"Modern society" is weak and lame. Some people will have a conniption over anything. He didn't use any words to demean anyone and that's the entire point of racial epithets; to demean human beings.

I'm sorry if my statement in the original post was not plainly worded enough.

If your response to an accusation of racism is to say that someone else was more racist, then you're a racist.

I hope I didn't use too many big words. The usual culprits seem to have completely missed that point from the original post, so I repeated it here.

Look, it seems that the word "racism" triggered all the conservatives and libertarians, who just happen to use the same arguments to take the same positions on the same issues, and caused everyone to stop thinking, so let's talk about something else that doesn't make the conservatives and libertarians, who just happen to use the same arguments to take the same positions on the same issues.

Person A: You're purple.
Person B: Oh yeah? Well person C is much more purple than I am!

Which of the following is true?

1. Person A is purple
2. Person A is not purple

If you are a normal person, you probably use normal logic and figured out that Person B's counterargument is essentially an admission that he is purple, but attempted to deflect using a tu quoque fallacy.

If you are a conservative or libertarian, who just happen to use the same arguments to take the same positions on the same issues, then you conclude that #2 is true, because person C being purple causes person B to stop being purple. That's just how logic works for conservatives and libertarians, who just happen to use the same arguments to take the same positions on the same issues.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

He didn't use any words to demean anyone and that's the entire point of racial epithets; to demean human beings.

Wait, he used a racial epithet, one which exists to demean people, but he did not use it to demean people... So, what, it doesn't count and he didn't casually use a racial epithet?

Yeah, it is stupid to get upset over taboo language when clearly there is no demeaning meant. Freaking out over use of the words just make them more powerful. That's where the magic comes from.