Gaza reconstruction, the reality

[Loren Pechtel]

http://www.dw.de/people-are-losing-hope-gazas-slow-recovery-from-the-war/a-18487969

The wreckage is being used as a showcase, of course they aren't cleaning it up!

It also says that 60,000 people have received aid to reconstruct their houses--what it doesn't mention is that most of these people sold the materials to Hamas instead of rebuilding.

 

[fromderinside]

http://www.dw.de/people-are-losing-hope-gazas-slow-recovery-from-the-war/a-18487969

The wreckage is being used as a showcase, of course they aren't cleaning it up!

It also says that 60,000 people have received aid to reconstruct their houses--what it doesn't mention is that most of these people sold the materials to Hamas instead of rebuilding.

Yeah, that's gonna work.

What will work is that the mess will remind locals they are all fucked up, that they deserve a break today, that they deserve to be supported in whatever. So much for enterprise. Political agency really sucks.

 

[laughing dog]

http://www.dw.de/people-are-losing-hope-gazas-slow-recovery-from-the-war/a-18487969

The wreckage is being used as a showcase, of course they aren't cleaning it up!

It also says that 60,000 people have received aid to reconstruct their houses--what it doesn't mention is that most of these people sold the materials to Hamas instead of rebuilding.

Do you have a disinterested news source for that claim? Assuming it is true, why would you have a problem with the free market in action?

 

[Jokodo]

http://www.dw.de/people-are-losing-hope-gazas-slow-recovery-from-the-war/a-18487969

The wreckage is being used as a showcase, of course they aren't cleaning it up!

It also says that 60,000 people have received aid to reconstruct their houses--what it doesn't mention is that most of these people sold the materials to Hamas instead of rebuilding.

Loren, when respectable news outlets report things that don't fit your world view, there's a few things you can do:

1. accept that you were wrong.

2. defeat their claims with better evidence.

3. ignore it.

4. Claim that they're wrong without any evidence.

Only one of them is going to make you look like a moon-landing conspiracy theorist. Guess which one!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

http://www.dw.de/people-are-losing-hope-gazas-slow-recovery-from-the-war/a-18487969

The wreckage is being used as a showcase, of course they aren't cleaning it up!

It also says that 60,000 people have received aid to reconstruct their houses--what it doesn't mention is that most of these people sold the materials to Hamas instead of rebuilding.

Do you have a disinterested news source for that claim? Assuming it is true, why would you have a problem with the free market in action?

1) They are circumventing the systems put in place to keep the stuff from going to tunnels. I expect it to get harder to rebuild because of this.

2) If they pocket the money and rent a place that's their business--but a house they chose to abandon isn't evidence of a lack of ability to rebuild.

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http://www.dw.de/people-are-losing-hope-gazas-slow-recovery-from-the-war/a-18487969

The wreckage is being used as a showcase, of course they aren't cleaning it up!

It also says that 60,000 people have received aid to reconstruct their houses--what it doesn't mention is that most of these people sold the materials to Hamas instead of rebuilding.

Loren, when respectable news outlets report things that don't fit your world view, there's a few things you can do:

1. accept that you were wrong.

2. defeat their claims with better evidence.

3. ignore it.

4. Claim that they're wrong without any evidence.

Only one of them is going to make you look like a moon-landing conspiracy theorist. Guess which one!

Huh? I'm not saying they are lying, just that they didn't mention that little detail. Understandably as it's hard to get numbers on it.

 

[laughing dog]

Do you have a disinterested news source for that claim? Assuming it is true, why would you have a problem with the free market in action?

1) They are circumventing the systems put in place to keep the stuff from going to tunnels. I expect it to get harder to rebuild because of this.

2) If they pocket the money and rent a place that's their business--but a house they chose to abandon isn't evidence of a lack of ability to rebuild.

So, you don't have a disinterested news source for your claims and substitute more of your gossip for confirmed fact.

 

[untermensche]

"Until today, I don't know why our house was targeted," Hamada said. "Everything is gone, our belongings, childhood memories of my four children, everything."

Yes, this is the reality of that brutal attack.

 

[fromderinside]

"Until today, I don't know why our house was targeted," Hamada said. "Everything is gone, our belongings, childhood memories of my four children, everything."

Yes, this is the reality of that brutal attack.

...yeah that and the fact that Hamas was using their houses as a sighting points and launching points for firing missiles on Israel. Reality indeed.

 

[untermensche]

Yes, this is the reality of that brutal attack.

...yeah that and the fact that Hamas was using their houses as a sighting points and launching points for firing missiles on Israel. Reality indeed.

Yes, every home is a legitimate target in the Wonderland called Israeli rights.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

"Until today, I don't know why our house was targeted," Hamada said. "Everything is gone, our belongings, childhood memories of my four children, everything."

Yes, this is the reality of that brutal attack.

Those that harbor terrorist commanders wouldn't dare admit it even if they wanted to.

 

[Arctish]

Yes, this is the reality of that brutal attack.

Those that harbor terrorist commanders wouldn't dare admit it even if they wanted to.

Well, 'nuff said.

The Palestinians can't prove there weren't terrorists hiding inside (you can't prove a negative) and the IDF doesn't have to prove there were (Israel is always right, and anyway you can't count on Palestinians telling you about terrorists hiding in their homes), so there never has to be a reason why* the IDF blew up anything.

*only applies to Israelis

 

[untermensche]

Yes, this is the reality of that brutal attack.

Those that harbor terrorist commanders wouldn't dare admit it even if they wanted to.

Those that pull shit from their ass wouldn't dare admit it.

 

[laughing dog]

This thread really cracks me up. The title Gaza reconstruction, the reality is misleading because the OP poster does not substantiate a single claim about reality.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Those that harbor terrorist commanders wouldn't dare admit it even if they wanted to.

Well, 'nuff said.

The Palestinians can't prove there weren't terrorists hiding inside (you can't prove a negative) and the IDF doesn't have to prove there were (Israel is always right, and anyway you can't count on Palestinians telling you about terrorists hiding in their homes), so there never has to be a reason why* the IDF blew up anything.

*only applies to Israelis

When you look at the casualty lists you often see a set of family members and one that's not--look up that one, you'll normally find a terrorist connection.

 

[laughing dog]

Well, 'nuff said.

The Palestinians can't prove there weren't terrorists hiding inside (you can't prove a negative) and the IDF doesn't have to prove there were (Israel is always right, and anyway you can't count on Palestinians telling you about terrorists hiding in their homes), so there never has to be a reason why* the IDF blew up anything.

*only applies to Israelis

When you look at the casualty lists you often see a set of family members and one that's not--look up that one, you'll normally find a terrorist connection.

Besides yet unsubstantiated claim about reality, it is a rather nasty assumption of guilt by possibly tenuous association. How would you feel if your house was destroyed because there was a terrorist connection within six degrees of separation?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

When you look at the casualty lists you often see a set of family members and one that's not--look up that one, you'll normally find a terrorist connection.

Besides yet unsubstantiated claim about reality, it is a rather nasty assumption of guilt by possibly tenuous association. How would you feel if your house was destroyed because there was a terrorist connection within six degrees of separation?

How about a post that has something to do with reality???

I'm talking about cases where there's a terrorist amongst the dead.

 

[Jayjay]

When you look at the casualty lists you often see a set of family members and one that's not--look up that one, you'll normally find a terrorist connection.

Besides yet unsubstantiated claim about reality, it is a rather nasty assumption of guilt by possibly tenuous association. How would you feel if your house was destroyed because there was a terrorist connection within six degrees of separation?

Usually, there is one degree of separation: "X lives in the same building with a terrorist". But I think a stronger point is that there is really no way for X to know that or do much about it, given limited living space in Gaza. But on the other hand, when Hamas starts a shooting war with Israel, it is likewise difficult for Israel to be able to hit its enemies that are hiding among civilians. That argument cuts both ways.

Best solution would be for Hamas to realize that open warfare isn't the way, and focus on rebuilding and diplomacy.

 

[laughing dog]

Besides yet unsubstantiated claim about reality, it is a rather nasty assumption of guilt by possibly tenuous association. How would you feel if your house was destroyed because there was a terrorist connection within six degrees of separation?

How about a post that has something to do with reality???

Coming from someone who refuses to substantiate wild claims about reality, that is simply unbelievably ironic.

I'm talking about cases where there's a terrorist amongst the dead.

Readers cannot be expected to read what is in your mind - readers respond to your written word.

 

[Arctish]

Besides yet unsubstantiated claim about reality, it is a rather nasty assumption of guilt by possibly tenuous association. How would you feel if your house was destroyed because there was a terrorist connection within six degrees of separation?

Usually, there is one degree of separation: "X lives in the same building with a terrorist". But I think a stronger point is that there is really no way for X to know that or do much about it, given limited living space in Gaza. But on the other hand, when Hamas starts a shooting war with Israel, it is likewise difficult for Israel to be able to hit its enemies that are hiding among civilians. That argument cuts both ways.

Best solution would be for Hamas to realize that open warfare isn't the way, and focus on rebuilding and diplomacy.

I think Hamas is waiting to see what rebuilding and diplomacy gets Fatah and the Palestinians in the West Bank. If the answer is "nothing" then there's no reason to go that route.

 

[Jayjay]

Usually, there is one degree of separation: "X lives in the same building with a terrorist". But I think a stronger point is that there is really no way for X to know that or do much about it, given limited living space in Gaza. But on the other hand, when Hamas starts a shooting war with Israel, it is likewise difficult for Israel to be able to hit its enemies that are hiding among civilians. That argument cuts both ways.

Best solution would be for Hamas to realize that open warfare isn't the way, and focus on rebuilding and diplomacy.

I think Hamas is waiting to see what rebuilding and diplomacy gets Fatah and the Palestinians in the West Bank. If the answer is "nothing" then there's no reason to go that route.

Gaza is not West Bank. There is no rebuilding needed in WB because Israel hasn't bombed it to the ground in the first place, but the diplomatic gains are way harder there due to the settlements.