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Class act. And the last Republican to win the popular vote in his initial term.

He was a blue blood, but he was also WW2 vet. He raised taxes when he knew it would cause him great harm politically, but he still did it because he knew it was best for the country.

We'll never see another Republican like him.
 
Yes, lots of class!

Legality
The US government invoked self-defense as legal justification for its invasion of Panama.[46] A number of scholars and observers have concluded that the invasion was illegal under international law. The justifications for invading given by the U.S. were, according to these authorities, factually baseless, and moreover, even if they had been true they would have provided inadequate support for the invasion under international law.[47] Article 2 of the United Nations Charter, a cornerstone of international law, prohibits the use of force by member states to settle disputes except in self-defense or when authorized by the United Nations Security Council. Articles 18 and 20 of the Charter of the Organization of American States, written in part in reaction to the history of US military interventions in Central America, also explicitly prohibit the use of force by member states: "[n]o state or group of states has the right to intervene, directly or indirectly, for any reason whatever, in the internal affairs of any other state." (Charter of the Organization of American States (OAS), Article 18.) Article 20 of the OAS Charter states that "the territory of a states is inviolable; it may not be the object, even temporarily, of military occupation or of other measures of force taken by another state, directly or indirectly, on any grounds whatever."[48] The US has ratified the UN Charter and the OAS Charter and therefore they are among the highest law of the land in the US under the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution. Other international law experts who have examined the legal justification of the US invasion have concluded that it was a "gross violation" of international law.[49]

The United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution strongly deploring the 1989 U.S. armed invasion of Panama. The resolution determined that the U.S. invasion was a "flagrant violation of international law."[50] A similar resolution proposed in the United Nations Security Council was supported by the majority of the Security Council but was vetoed by the US and two of its closest allies.[51]

Independent experts and observers have concluded that the US invasion of Panama also exceeded the authority of the president under the US Constitution because Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution grants the power to declare war solely to the Congress, not to the president.[52] [53] According to observers, the US invasion also violated the War Powers Resolution[54], a federal law designed to limit presidential action without Congressional authorization, because the president failed to consult with Congress regarding the invasion of Panama prior to the invasion.[55] [56][57]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama

An aside: Anyone know why my signature doesn't show? The box is ticked.
 
Rode to the presidency on Reagan's lingering legacy.

Not a very good politician. Lucky to be president.

Clinton showed him what a politician is.
 
RIP George Bush I.

To me at least, he was the last halfway decent Republican president. I didn't like him very much when he was president, but he wasn't a horrible one, and I preferred him to his predecessor. Also to his successors, including his son.
 
It always amazes me.

Dead people do not rest.

They do not know peace. They do not know anything.

What they were was not their body. It was their mind.

And minds only exist as long as the body is alive.

This is the show folks.

There is no second act.
 
Opoponax said:
Class act. And the last Republican to win the popular vote in his initial term.

He was a blue blood, but he was also WW2 vet. He raised taxes when he knew it would cause him great harm politically, but he still did it because he knew it was best for the country.

We'll never see another Republican like him.
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And yet I never see Republicans mention him with the same hallowed reverence that they use with Ronald Reagan.
 
I remember in the W years, John Stewart was covering some story and brought up Bush Sr. And John said “remember when we used to hate him?” Because many did at the time. But by comparison he was soooo much better. Bush even called Reganomics ‘voodoo economics’, but the party had chosen that economic path.
 
untermensche said:
It always amazes me.

Dead people do not rest.

They do not know peace. They do not know anything.

What they were was not their body. It was their mind.

And minds only exist as long as the body is alive.

This is the show folks.

There is no second act.
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It's just an expression that nobody takes literally. Sheesh. We don't need a lecture.

Bush the elder was certainly more decent than most other Republican leaders during my lifetime. I didn't like a lot of the things he did when he was president, but he at least got us out of Iraq in a hurry, raised taxes when he realized it was the right thing to do and never tried to turn the country into a Christian state. He had a long and privileged life that most people will never experience. If there were more politicians like him, we would probably not have the state of hate and division that we do these days.
 
It is impolite I suppose to speak ill of the dead so I will tread lightly.

The Republican party unleased two false and certain to fail paradigms on the US that diminished the US's value to the world and that harmed the economy of the US and the vast majority of the residents of the US all to achieve the singular end of directing more income to the already rich. These two paradigms are neoliberalism and neoconservatism.

Papa Bush was complicit in the selling of both to conservatives in the US. He was undoubtedly a decent human being. But it is the decent ones who should have called out the Republicans to stop this. He didn't. For this, it is impossible for me to forgive him and all of the decent human beings in the Republican party.
 
southernhybrid said:
untermensche said:
It always amazes me.

Dead people do not rest.

They do not know peace. They do not know anything.

What they were was not their body. It was their mind.

And minds only exist as long as the body is alive.

This is the show folks.

There is no second act.
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It's just an expression that nobody takes literally. Sheesh. We don't need a lecture.
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It was hardly a lecture.

And if it is stupidity then people shouldn't say it.

I don't want that criminal to rest in peace.

He deserves to be tortured in hell.
 
untermensche said:
southernhybrid said:
untermensche said:
It always amazes me.

Dead people do not rest.

They do not know peace. They do not know anything.

What they were was not their body. It was their mind.

And minds only exist as long as the body is alive.

This is the show folks.

There is no second act.
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It's just an expression that nobody takes literally. Sheesh. We don't need a lecture.
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It was hardly a lecture.

And if it is stupidity then people shouldn't say it.

I don't want that criminal to rest in peace.

He deserves to be tortured in hell.
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Dude! You lectured Southernhybrid for use of an expression, "rest in peace". Then you come back and says that Bush deserves to be tortured in Hell!

Anyway, why should Bush Sr. be tortured in hell? Why was he a criminal.
 
I wonder if Trump, if he even bothers to leave a letter to his successor will say.

I was the greatest president ever, lots of smart people say so, even though the FAKE NEWS attacked me unfairly. You, [insert childish insulting nickname] can't hope to do better than me because I made America great again. Not like Hillary. To do this job, you have to have a great brain and use the best words, which I can do. My experience as a great business man and dealmaker made me make the best deals with everyone and now everyone respects me. I don't wish you good luck. Fuck you - Donald J. Trump (in serial killer font).
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Harry Bosch said:
untermensche said:
It was hardly a lecture.

And if it is stupidity then people shouldn't say it.

I don't want that criminal to rest in peace.

He deserves to be tortured in hell.
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Dude! You lectured Southernhybrid for use of an expression, "rest in peace". Then you come back and says that Bush deserves to be tortured in Hell!

Anyway, why should Bush Sr. be tortured in hell? Why was he a criminal.
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I didn't lecture anybody.

The invasion of Panama was a massive crime.

Every US president is a major criminal. They all carry out criminal policies.
 
I was never much of any fan of H. W. I will never forgive him commenting his doubts that atheist could ever be good citizens. His conservative policies were not as extreme as today's conservatives but right wing enough for me not to approve of him.

But he at least behaved like a statesman and contrasts well with our current Thug-in-Chief.
 
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