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Global Warming is a better term than Climate Change

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Because the one thing that is constant (in our period of time) is the steady capture of heat energy from the increase of CO2 and methane.

How exactly that energy divides itself to make a new changed climate is less fundamental than that the thermal energy has been increased. In fact trying to predict partition of energy that is a distraction to the just plain heating of the whole planet.

This increase will go well down into the oceans for a very long time.

So this make the situation more clear and simple.

Have more to write but later...
 
Also, I think that calling it manmade/anthropogenic warming or climate change is in the same way confusing and a distraction.

It is "carbon dioxide caused global warming". It is not caused by man's inherent "sinfulness" (yes leftist atheists feel this way at times and so do I) or some such nonsense. This is used as a bloviation point by anti-leftists like Rush Limbaugh. It does not matter how the greenhouse gases got there, it just follows the physics.

There are some things that are more directly and unequivocally man made and can't be bloviated about, such as depletion of groundwater and aquifers. You can't as easily be a groundwater depletion skeptic. What is there to be skeptical about? Stick a sensor down a well and see the water level is dropping. A ten year old can do it.

People, and I surely include myself here, are really very stupid and fall prey to logical fallacies and attack too much and are too defensive around just simple facts. This manmade label is very prone to abuse.

This short video is sort of how this logical fallacy and attacking is working. Just swap some of the factors of it.



My final point is that this is actually much simpler than people are making it out to be. Carbon dioxide just traps heat and we have a lot more of it 280ppm to 406 ppm and climbing. Nothing really more to say.

Thinking about what exactly happens to the climate from this is like quibbling about what bones you will break if you jump off a 10 story building onto pavement.
 
The sinfulness is the creation of a huge cloud to pretend the matter is not as established as any idea in science.

The sinfulness is the greed preventing anything being done about it.

And climate change is better because it is not just warming. It is more powerful and costly storms as well.
 
Yes but climate is inherently much more complex than radiation balance. And climate has ups and downs.

With this ramp function increase in carbon dioxide the radiation balance in running at a steady surplus and will continue to until even the depths of the oceans are warmed and the whole planet surface (even ocean depths qualify as surface) warms to the new equilibrium.

So in some ways simpler, but also more far reaching than "Climate".

Anyway, this is all about trying to communicate this.
 
How about comfy carbon atmosphere snuggy?

The comfy carbon atmosphere snuggy is going to make everyone warm and sleepy over the next few years. Fires will die out in California after the majority of the comfy carbon atmosphere snuggy is released into the atmosphere by fire.

Coastlines will shift, so that the spoiled people who own the really nice locations will no longer have nice land, and the people inland will have the nice places. Thank you comfy carbon atmosphere snuggy! Fight the war for us!
 
The Flammarion engraving

Kharakov is right

Should You Worry About Global Warming?
By Bill Bonner

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But let’s turn to our subject du jour.

In Europe, people sneer at the ‘War on Terror.’ They think it’s fake. But they jump in the trenches to stop global warming. They may be cynical about fighting terrorism, but they enlist readily in the great cause of environmentalism.

Then, three weeks ago, under the cover of a dense, choking, BS haze, the French feds ordered an attack. They raised the price of gasoline to $6.50 a gallon. Rather than go ‘over the top’ once more, the taxpayers mutinied.
The French government claims the new tax is part of its programme to eliminate fossil fuels and ‘guarantee cheap and clean fuel for France’ by 2050.

In America, too, many people think dramatic action is needed. Typical of the comments you see is this (from a discussion forum):

‘It all boils down to one thing: We simply can’t take the risk of not fighting off climate change now because some people suspect that it might not be real. We must act.’

This is a reflection of what colleague Dan Denning calls the ‘strategic ignorance’ of the human race. We never know what will happen…So you wait to find out. ‘Life is one long struggle in the dark,’ said Lucretius, anticipating Dan by about 2100 years.

But there are exceptions. Sometimes humans take action before something awful happens.

Courts issue an injunction in advance of an event on evidence of the ‘irreparable harm’ it may do. The Supreme Court will even set aside the First Amendment and allow the feds to block free speech if it sees ‘clear and present danger.’ That’s why you can’t yell ‘Fire!’ in a crowded theatre just to see what will happen.

But what about climate change? Is it a ‘clear and present’ danger? Will it do ‘irreparable harm’? Or do we go with the president’s gut on this one?

Donald J Trump says he doesn’t believe in global warming. The scientists may have charts and graphs…and studies and hypotheses…But President T has intestines! From the president to The Washington Post:

‘…I have a gut, and my gut tells me more sometimes than anybody else’s brain can ever tell me.’

It must be nice to have such a well-informed digestive tract. But the large intestine is also where a lot of the what-the-trade-deal-turned-out-to-be accumulates.

Still — and here, we rush ahead to a conclusion — we suspect that his instinct is correct, at least insofar as it leads to a policy. But let’s walk it through…

Controlled experiment

First, is the earth heating up? We don’t know.
This is something that seems straightforward, the sort of thing scientists should know. But it’s not that clear. Most appear to agree that temperatures are rising. A few dissent. But since it feels warmer to us in the Chesapeake Bay area, we’ll guess that the majority may be correct.

Second, is carbon dioxide — from burning fossil fuels — the cause of it? Again, we don’t know.
The hypothesis has been around for a long time. Alas, there’s no way to know for sure. You can’t do a controlled experiment. There’s only one Earth.
And the observed rate of temperature increase may or may not correspond to increases in carbon dioxide emissions or the predictions made by scientists.

And even if the theoretical/experiential case was airtight, you’re still left with the uncertainty of post hoc ergo propter hoc. (Just because one thing follows another, doesn’t mean the first even caused the second.) If you took away the one (carbon dioxide, for example) you might still get the other (hotter temperatures).

Third, even if you accept the climate change hypothesis to this point — that the world is getting hotter and the sweat is caused by our own carbon dioxide emissions — you still face two major uncertainties…

Field crops in Greenland

First, is it good or bad? Here, the scientists are powerless to give us an answer. Good and bad are beyond calculation. They are value judgments, much too subtle and too slippery for numbers to compute.
What would it be worth to enjoy a warmer winter in the Great Lakes area? What would more rainfall do to the Sahara?
And rising sea levels sound like bad news for those who own low-lying properties. But our farm, for example, is about 50 feet above sea level. If enough icebergs melt, we might have waterfront property!

Subject to computation, but still not to valuation, is the greening of the planet apparently caused by global warming.
Plants like carbon dioxide. And as carbon dioxide levels increase, so does the amount of vegetation. Crop yields go up. The biomass levels the world can support increase. Grass spreads across the barren steppes. Vines hang heavy with fruit, even in areas that were previously too cold for grapes.

What if we could grow field crops in Greenland, Siberia, and Northern Canada? Would it be worth a tropical storm in Pakistan, a flood in Fort Lauderdale, and an earthquake in the Levant?

What if food prices fell as a result of global warming, so that a million people wouldn’t starve? Would that be worth 500,000 others who’d die from flooding?

If the earth is warming, it will doubtless have some good consequences and some bad ones. We can’t know with any precision or certainty in which direction the balance will tilt, nor can we know whether it’s worth trying to do anything about it.

Which brings us to our second major uncertainty: We can’t know whether our efforts would pay off or do more harm than good.

How much would they cost? Who would bear the expense? Why should peasants in the Himalayas have to pay for protecting millionaires’ beachfront mansions in Miami? Who decides?

A visionary programme of this scale and ambition would have to be put in place and carried forward by elites from around the world. Naturally, they are almost all in favour…and are all slathering at the opportunities.

Who will get consulting contracts? Who will own the windmills and solar power plants? Who will benefit from tax credits and government contracts? And who will tell the rest of us what to do in a peremptory and condescending tone?

And like the French, who will take to the streets and set cars on fire?
 
None of that matters, this is about describing reality of what is happening.

Because it may lead to some people taking advantage of it is just a logical fallacy to ignore it.
 
I disagree. A significant portion of the population think that cold weather disproves global warming. Phenomenon such as the polar vortex are easier to accept as climate change than as global warming.
 
I disagree. A significant portion of the population think that cold weather disproves global warming.
I believe this is exactly WHY they shifted to 'climate change.' Because every third idiot posted screencaps of newscasts about 'record breaking snowfall' and saying 'so much for Global Warming!'
And pointing out that Global Warming theory PREDICTED cold weather extremes was 'rebutted' with fourteen replies of 'Dude, snow. S-N-O-W.'
 
Kharakov is right

Should You Worry About Global Warming?
By Bill Bonner

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But let’s turn to our subject du jour.

In Europe, people sneer at the ‘War on Terror.’ They think it’s fake. But they jump in the trenches to stop global warming. They may be cynical about fighting terrorism, but they enlist readily in the great cause of environmentalism.

Then, three weeks ago, under the cover of a dense, choking, BS haze, the French feds ordered an attack. They raised the price of gasoline to $6.50 a gallon. Rather than go ‘over the top’ once more, the taxpayers mutinied.
The French government claims the new tax is part of its programme to eliminate fossil fuels and ‘guarantee cheap and clean fuel for France’ by 2050.

In America, too, many people think dramatic action is needed. Typical of the comments you see is this (from a discussion forum):

‘It all boils down to one thing: We simply can’t take the risk of not fighting off climate change now because some people suspect that it might not be real. We must act.’

This is a reflection of what colleague Dan Denning calls the ‘strategic ignorance’ of the human race. We never know what will happen…So you wait to find out. ‘Life is one long struggle in the dark,’ said Lucretius, anticipating Dan by about 2100 years.

But there are exceptions. Sometimes humans take action before something awful happens.

Courts issue an injunction in advance of an event on evidence of the ‘irreparable harm’ it may do. The Supreme Court will even set aside the First Amendment and allow the feds to block free speech if it sees ‘clear and present danger.’ That’s why you can’t yell ‘Fire!’ in a crowded theatre just to see what will happen.

But what about climate change? Is it a ‘clear and present’ danger? Will it do ‘irreparable harm’? Or do we go with the president’s gut on this one?

Donald J Trump says he doesn’t believe in global warming. The scientists may have charts and graphs…and studies and hypotheses…But President T has intestines! From the president to The Washington Post:

‘…I have a gut, and my gut tells me more sometimes than anybody else’s brain can ever tell me.’

It must be nice to have such a well-informed digestive tract. But the large intestine is also where a lot of the what-the-trade-deal-turned-out-to-be accumulates.

Still — and here, we rush ahead to a conclusion — we suspect that his instinct is correct, at least insofar as it leads to a policy. But let’s walk it through…

Controlled experiment

First, is the earth heating up? We don’t know.
This is something that seems straightforward, the sort of thing scientists should know. But it’s not that clear. Most appear to agree that temperatures are rising. A few dissent. But since it feels warmer to us in the Chesapeake Bay area, we’ll guess that the majority may be correct.

Second, is carbon dioxide — from burning fossil fuels — the cause of it? Again, we don’t know.
The hypothesis has been around for a long time. Alas, there’s no way to know for sure. You can’t do a controlled experiment. There’s only one Earth.
And the observed rate of temperature increase may or may not correspond to increases in carbon dioxide emissions or the predictions made by scientists.

And even if the theoretical/experiential case was airtight, you’re still left with the uncertainty of post hoc ergo propter hoc. (Just because one thing follows another, doesn’t mean the first even caused the second.) If you took away the one (carbon dioxide, for example) you might still get the other (hotter temperatures).

Third, even if you accept the climate change hypothesis to this point — that the world is getting hotter and the sweat is caused by our own carbon dioxide emissions — you still face two major uncertainties…

Field crops in Greenland

First, is it good or bad? Here, the scientists are powerless to give us an answer. Good and bad are beyond calculation. They are value judgments, much too subtle and too slippery for numbers to compute.
What would it be worth to enjoy a warmer winter in the Great Lakes area? What would more rainfall do to the Sahara?
And rising sea levels sound like bad news for those who own low-lying properties. But our farm, for example, is about 50 feet above sea level. If enough icebergs melt, we might have waterfront property!

Subject to computation, but still not to valuation, is the greening of the planet apparently caused by global warming.
Plants like carbon dioxide. And as carbon dioxide levels increase, so does the amount of vegetation. Crop yields go up. The biomass levels the world can support increase. Grass spreads across the barren steppes. Vines hang heavy with fruit, even in areas that were previously too cold for grapes.

What if we could grow field crops in Greenland, Siberia, and Northern Canada? Would it be worth a tropical storm in Pakistan, a flood in Fort Lauderdale, and an earthquake in the Levant?

What if food prices fell as a result of global warming, so that a million people wouldn’t starve? Would that be worth 500,000 others who’d die from flooding?

If the earth is warming, it will doubtless have some good consequences and some bad ones. We can’t know with any precision or certainty in which direction the balance will tilt, nor can we know whether it’s worth trying to do anything about it.

Which brings us to our second major uncertainty: We can’t know whether our efforts would pay off or do more harm than good.

How much would they cost? Who would bear the expense? Why should peasants in the Himalayas have to pay for protecting millionaires’ beachfront mansions in Miami? Who decides?

A visionary programme of this scale and ambition would have to be put in place and carried forward by elites from around the world. Naturally, they are almost all in favour…and are all slathering at the opportunities.

Who will get consulting contracts? Who will own the windmills and solar power plants? Who will benefit from tax credits and government contracts? And who will tell the rest of us what to do in a peremptory and condescending tone?

And like the French, who will take to the streets and set cars on fire?

Also, we should strike homicide off the list of punishable offenses because some people use its criminalisation to falsely accuse innocent people of murder and thus get them into a ton of trouble.
 
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