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God, Man and Wisdom

Cheerful Charlie

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1 Kings 3

5 In Gibeon the Lord appeared to Solomon in a dream by night: and God said, Ask what I shall give thee.
6 And Solomon said, Thou hast shewed unto thy servant David my father great mercy, according as he walked before thee in truth, and in righteousness, and in uprightness of heart with thee; and thou hast kept for him this great kindness, that thou hast given him a son to sit on his throne, as it is this day.
7 And now, O Lord my God, thou hast made thy servant king instead of David my father: and I am but a little child: I know not how to go out or come in.
8 And thy servant is in the midst of thy people which thou hast chosen, a great people, that cannot be numbered nor counted for multitude.
9 Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?
10 And the speech pleased the Lord, that Solomon had asked this thing.
11 And God said unto him, Because thou hast asked this thing, and hast not asked for thyself long life; neither hast asked riches for thyself, nor hast asked the life of thine enemies; but hast asked for thyself understanding to discern judgment;
12 Behold, I have done according to thy words: lo, I have given thee a wise and an understanding heart; so that there was none like thee before thee, neither after thee shall any arise like unto thee.


Now my question to theists is, why does not naturally give all humans wisdom when they are born? Why does God not value wisdom?
 

jonJ

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Now my question to theists is, why does not naturally give all humans wisdom when they are born? Why does God not value wisdom?

Because it would all fall out of their little brains, obviously. And if God made their brains big enough to hold it all, then giving birth would really hurt. Give God a break, man, he can't do everything!

Oh, wait...
 

Zeluvia

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well, you see, there was this tree in the garden, with fruit that would give people the knowledge of good and evil....apparently God didn't think to just put a "wisdom" tree there....
 

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Because he's a jealous god, as he said earlier in his book. (Deu 6:15) He has never wanted man to have knowledge and has always kept it from him, lest they be his equal. He forbade them to eat from the tree of knowledge (Gen 2), He struck the builders of the tower of Babel lest they reach him in heaven:
But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
Gen 11:5-7 (Bolding mine)

The only knowledge god approves of is study of himself, he's a egotistical bastard all right.
 

Mughal

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1 Kings 3

5 In Gibeon the Lord appeared to Solomon in a dream by night: and God said, Ask what I shall give thee.
6 And Solomon said, Thou hast shewed unto thy servant David my father great mercy, according as he walked before thee in truth, and in righteousness, and in uprightness of heart with thee; and thou hast kept for him this great kindness, that thou hast given him a son to sit on his throne, as it is this day.
7 And now, O Lord my God, thou hast made thy servant king instead of David my father: and I am but a little child: I know not how to go out or come in.
8 And thy servant is in the midst of thy people which thou hast chosen, a great people, that cannot be numbered nor counted for multitude.
9 Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?
10 And the speech pleased the Lord, that Solomon had asked this thing.
11 And God said unto him, Because thou hast asked this thing, and hast not asked for thyself long life; neither hast asked riches for thyself, nor hast asked the life of thine enemies; but hast asked for thyself understanding to discern judgment;
12 Behold, I have done according to thy words: lo, I have given thee a wise and an understanding heart; so that there was none like thee before thee, neither after thee shall any arise like unto thee.


Now my question to theists is, why does not naturally give all humans wisdom when they are born? Why does God not value wisdom?


Dear Cheerful Charlie, the better question will be, why did God create the universe and the mankind in it?
 

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1 Kings 3

5 In Gibeon the Lord appeared to Solomon in a dream by night: and God said, Ask what I shall give thee.
6 And Solomon said, Thou hast shewed unto thy servant David my father great mercy, according as he walked before thee in truth, and in righteousness, and in uprightness of heart with thee; and thou hast kept for him this great kindness, that thou hast given him a son to sit on his throne, as it is this day.
7 And now, O Lord my God, thou hast made thy servant king instead of David my father: and I am but a little child: I know not how to go out or come in.
8 And thy servant is in the midst of thy people which thou hast chosen, a great people, that cannot be numbered nor counted for multitude.
9 Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?
10 And the speech pleased the Lord, that Solomon had asked this thing.
11 And God said unto him, Because thou hast asked this thing, and hast not asked for thyself long life; neither hast asked riches for thyself, nor hast asked the life of thine enemies; but hast asked for thyself understanding to discern judgment;
12 Behold, I have done according to thy words: lo, I have given thee a wise and an understanding heart; so that there was none like thee before thee, neither after thee shall any arise like unto thee.


Now my question to theists is, why does not naturally give all humans wisdom when they are born? Why does God not value wisdom?

Because wisdom leads people to question the pronouncements of the priests, which must never happen. God knew that priests are always right when he created mankind, so he created man without wisdom.
 

Sarpedon

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And in this story, after Solomon was given wisdom, he stopped worshipping god and started worshipping idols.
 

Tom Sawyer

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So wait .. God came to Solomon and offered to grant him a wish, but if Solomon had asked for anything that most people ask for with wishes such as a long life or riches or the like, then God would have told him to go and fuck off because he's not getting his wish?

What a dick. That story is obviously fictional, because I cannot believe that the guy who created leprechauns would act that way
 

The Paul

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1 Kings 3

5 In Gibeon the Lord appeared to Solomon in a dream by night: and God said, Ask what I shall give thee.
6 And Solomon said, Thou hast shewed unto thy servant David my father great mercy, according as he walked before thee in truth, and in righteousness, and in uprightness of heart with thee; and thou hast kept for him this great kindness, that thou hast given him a son to sit on his throne, as it is this day.
7 And now, O Lord my God, thou hast made thy servant king instead of David my father: and I am but a little child: I know not how to go out or come in.
8 And thy servant is in the midst of thy people which thou hast chosen, a great people, that cannot be numbered nor counted for multitude.
9 Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?
10 And the speech pleased the Lord, that Solomon had asked this thing.
11 And God said unto him, Because thou hast asked this thing, and hast not asked for thyself long life; neither hast asked riches for thyself, nor hast asked the life of thine enemies; but hast asked for thyself understanding to discern judgment;
12 Behold, I have done according to thy words: lo, I have given thee a wise and an understanding heart; so that there was none like thee before thee, neither after thee shall any arise like unto thee.


Now my question to theists is, why does not naturally give all humans wisdom when they are born? Why does God not value wisdom?

I think this is a consequence of sticking a bunch of different kinds of stories together and pretending they're all about the same character.

The kind of god that rewards clever or virtuous people with some kind of power or magical doohickey isn't the same character as the kind of god who creates the universe exnihilo.
 
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