Grand Ole Groper (GOP) party

[Harry Bosch]

Simple question: can anyone explain why a democrat who gropes (Franken and Conyers) must step down. But a GOPer who does the same or worse (Trump and Moore) is allowed to remain in government? Bill Clinton gets impeached, Trump gets adoration. Why the double standard?

 

[Elixir]

Simple question: can anyone explain why a democrat who gropes (Franken and Conyers) must step down. But a GOPer who does the same or worse (Trump and Moore) is allowed to remain in government? Bill Clinton gets impeached, Trump gets adoration. Why the double standard?

If you court Nazis, you accept pederasty and rape as spoils of war.

 

[Worldtraveller]

IOKIYAR

That acronym was invented to explain this phenomenon, and many others.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The Republicans haven't been demanding Franken step down though, that'd be mainly women Senate Democrats. So the Republicans aren't being hypocrites in the near-term (they are for the long-term).

 

[Elixir]

IOKIYAR

That acronym was invented to explain this phenomenon, and many others.

Had to look it up.

Saw Roy's spokesbitch on the teevee last night proclaiming Alabama as "ground zero for religious freedom". Anderson Cooper was too chicken to call her out for the fact that she wasn't pushing religious freedom at all, but rather the "Christian" version of Sharia Law.

If a third of AL Republican voters ever read the Constitution, this would be no contest at all. Spokesbitch kept referring to the Declaration of Independence as if was a body of laws... ignorance is the primary virtue upon which Rethuglican power brokers rely.

 

[funinspace]

I think I still prefer 'Greedy Old Perverts' over 'Grand Ole Groper (GOP) party', as it covers the sexuality issue and the money angle together. Never mind that this would really be GOGP or just GOG if I wanted to quibble much...

 

[starwater]

The Dems have decided to take the moral high ground no matter what the repugs do. I believe its a conscious decision based on many weeks of discussion mostly among woman legislators. Not to be the "holier than thou" party but one of integrity. The "ground zero religious" freedom followers are sheep. They want someone else to think for them and the media to lead them, so they don't have to have any conscious or integrity - it's too much work on their part. They are un-evolved humans on the lower end of the evolutionary chain.

 

[Derec]

Simple question: can anyone explain why a democrat who gropes (Franken and Conyers) must step down. But a GOPer who does the same or worse (Trump and Moore) is allowed to remain in government? Bill Clinton gets impeached, Trump gets adoration. Why the double standard?

Bill Clinton wasn't impeached for groping, but for lying about a consensual affair.
Trump gets plenty of flak for the "grab them by the pussy" comment. But him getting elected anyway is a testament about just how bad a candidate Hillary proved to be (not that nobody could see it coming).
No idea what Conyers was supposed to have done, but apparently there was some sort of payoff. And he is 88. He should have retired at least a decade and a half ago, even without this witch hunt.
And Franken's is a death of a 1000 cuts. It does not help that he has supported the #MeToo witch hunts, or that he immediately apologized instead of denying doing anything wrong.

 

[funinspace]

Simple question: can anyone explain why a democrat who gropes (Franken and Conyers) must step down. But a GOPer who does the same or worse (Trump and Moore) is allowed to remain in government? Bill Clinton gets impeached, Trump gets adoration. Why the double standard?

Bill Clinton wasn't impeached for groping, but for lying about a consensual affair.

Uhm, more particularly for...'making false statements under oath' as part of a court sponsored deposition...

 

[PyramidHead]

The answer is simply that Republicans don't care about votes from the kind of people who would drop their support for a politician because of sexual misconduct. Republican voters are very loyal not just to the party, but to individuals in positions of authority in the party. At the same time, their standards for sexual wrongdoing are distinctly different from Democratic voters: less concerned about women, more about children, less about rape, more about homosexuality, less about abuse of power, more about corruption of the family. I can't remember who said this, so it might as well be me, but if Roy Moore's tastes in women were just a few years younger, he would be toast. There is no question. Republican voters, especially those in the rural south, probably don't see a whole lot wrong with some guy courting a 16 year-old girl, compared to two men marrying each other. Republican politicians know this, and it's why the only ones who resign in humiliation are literal pedophiles (Moore is not, he is an ephbeophile) or gay men.

 

[ZiprHead]

Saw this in a FB post.:

Sexual harassment hurts many women, but women are also hurt when abortion rights are restricted, when consumer protections are abolished, when benefit programs for poor women and children are slashed, when the environment is despoiled and lots of other things that Republicans do every day. If you think your moral superiority and virtue signalling is more important, go ahead and throw every Democrat charged with harassment out of office no matter how vague and unsubstantiated the charges. Republicans will laugh all the way to the bank as they welcome president pussy grabber to the Senate swear in the pedophile from Alabama.

 

[Elixir]

The Dems have decided to take the moral high ground no matter what the repugs do. I believe its a conscious decision based on many weeks of discussion mostly among woman legislators. Not to be the "holier than thou" party but one of integrity. The "ground zero religious" freedom followers are sheep. They want someone else to think for them and the media to lead them, so they don't have to have any conscious or integrity - it's too much work on their part. They are un-evolved humans on the lower end of the evolutionary chain.

I think that's a little cruel, but not inaccurate in substance. Rather than "un-evolved" (all extant species can rightly be construed as equally 'evolved') I'd call them ignorant, brainwashed, un-educated, illiterate or whatever. So even if they wanted to think for themselves, they are unequipped to do so. It's not that they don't want to do the work, it's more that they have no clue that there's work to be done, and even if they did, no clue how to do it.

As far as moral high ground goes, yeah, the Dems are determined to take every possible advantage of the optics of seizing the high ground, but they're politicians, and it rings hollow to me; I suspect that few if any Republicans will be swayed - or effected at all - by it, no matter what.

 

[abaddon]

The Dems have decided to take the moral high ground no matter what the repugs do. I believe its a conscious decision based on many weeks of discussion mostly among woman legislators. Not to be the "holier than thou" party but one of integrity. The "ground zero religious" freedom followers are sheep. They want someone else to think for them and the media to lead them, so they don't have to have any conscious or integrity - it's too much work on their part. They are un-evolved humans on the lower end of the evolutionary chain.

Presenting the integrity of your character as the reason people should get behind your cause can be like painting a target on your head.

Anyone that presents themselves as "more moral" to the world makes it so that shit sticks to them in a way that it doesn't stick to anyone else.

Not advocating a loss of integrity, just trying to be descriptive of what presenting oneself or one's group as "the one of integrity" can play out. If people make integrity into an issue, people will throw shit at it.

"I am good and my cause is righteous" says someone... anyone.

"Oh yeah?" comes the response from a political enemy... any political enemy. "Then let's undermine your cause by focusing on your character instead of that cause then".

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Simple question: can anyone explain why a democrat who gropes (Franken and Conyers) must step down. But a GOPer who does the same or worse (Trump and Moore) is allowed to remain in government? Bill Clinton gets impeached, Trump gets adoration. Why the double standard?

Clinton as impeachable because he lied about it. Short of criminal conviction, none of them must step down.

 

[funinspace]

Simple question: can anyone explain why a democrat who gropes (Franken and Conyers) must step down. But a GOPer who does the same or worse (Trump and Moore) is allowed to remain in government? Bill Clinton gets impeached, Trump gets adoration. Why the double standard?

Clinton as impeachable because he lied about it. Short of criminal conviction, none of them must step down.

You seem to not grasp the constitutional framework for the US. The courts are not the issue or the point; nor is there a 'must'...

The Wiki link covers the basics for member of either the house of Congress. The office of the President of the United States is also covered in a similar way. In the end, most people resign when they see the expulsion/impeachment writing on the wall...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_from_the_United_States_Congress

Expulsion is the most serious form of disciplinary action that can be taken against a Member of Congress. Article I, Section 5 of the United States Constitution provides that "Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member." The processes for expulsion differ somewhat between the House of Representatives and the Senate.

 

[blastula]

The Republicans haven't been demanding Franken step down though, that'd be mainly women Senate Democrats. So the Republicans aren't being hypocrites in the near-term (they are for the long-term).

McConnell called for it yesterday. Meanwhile after first calling for Moore to not run, he (and the RNC) has done a 180 on Moore.

All the same senators who called for Franken to step down should have long ago called for Trump to resign.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The Republicans haven't been demanding Franken step down though, that'd be mainly women Senate Democrats. So the Republicans aren't being hypocrites in the near-term (they are for the long-term).

McConnell called for it yesterday.

I had not seen that. Wow! I'm starting to think McConnell is an asshole.

Meanwhile after first calling for Moore to not run, he (and the RNC) has done a 180 on Moore.

Done everything except let Moore have a go at their teenaged granddaughters.

 

[Elixir]

Done everything except let Moore have a go at their teenaged granddaughters.

Except? How do you know? They're certainly trained to keep their mouths shut about such things.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Simple question: can anyone explain why a democrat who gropes (Franken and Conyers) must step down. But a GOPer who does the same or worse (Trump and Moore) is allowed to remain in government? Bill Clinton gets impeached, Trump gets adoration. Why the double standard?

The point is innocent until proven guilty. The media has long known that this does not fully apply. The maxim here is to drum up business is, All you have to do is accuse No need to prove a thing every time.

 

[starwater]

The Dems have decided to take the moral high ground no matter what the repugs do. I believe its a conscious decision based on many weeks of discussion mostly among woman legislators. Not to be the "holier than thou" party but one of integrity. The "ground zero religious" freedom followers are sheep. They want someone else to think for them and the media to lead them, so they don't have to have any conscious or integrity - it's too much work on their part. They are un-evolved humans on the lower end of the evolutionary chain.

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I think that's a little cruel, but not inaccurate in substance. Rather than "un-evolved" (all extant species can rightly be construed as equally 'evolved') I'd call them ignorant, brainwashed, un-educated, illiterate or whatever. So even if they wanted to think for themselves, they are unequipped to do so. It's not that they don't want to do the work, it they have no clue that there's work to be done, and even if they did, no clue how to do it.

As far as moral high ground goes, yeah, the Dems are determined to take every possible advantage of the optics of seizing the high ground, but they're politicians, and it rings hollow to me; I suspect that few if any Republicans will be swayed - or effected at all - by it, no matter what.

Because they are lower on the evolutionary scale.