Gun Violence 2018 Total Number of Incidents 37,959 Number of Deaths1 9,538

[phands]

Guns are on track for almost 60000 incidents and 413400 deaths in 2018.

The scores as of today are....

2018

• Total Number of Incidents
  37,959​
• Number of Deaths1
  9,538​
• Number of Injuries1
  18,708​
• Number of Children (age 0-11)
  Killed or Injured1
  447​
• Number of Teens (age 12-17)
  Killed or Injured1
  1,889​
• Mass Shooting2
  235​
• Officer Involved Incident
  Officer Shot or Killed2
  193​
• Officer Involved Incident
  Subject-Suspect Shot or Killed2
  1,438​
• Home Invasion2
  1,349​
• Defensive Use2
  1,173​
• Unintentional Shooting2
  1,096​

Gun violence and crime incidents are collected/validated from 2,500 sources daily – incidents and their source data are found at the gunviolencearchive.org website.
1: Actual number of deaths and injuries
2: Number of INCIDENTS reported and verified

22,000 Annual Suicides not included on Daily Summary Ledger
Numbers on this table reflect a subset of all information collected and will not add to 100% of incidents.
www.gunviolencearchive.org www.facebook.com/gunviolencearchive
Data Validated: August 27, 2018

Guns need be got rid of.

 

[Elixir]

Guns are on track for almost 60000 incidents and 413400 deaths in 2018.

The scores as of today are....

2018

• Total Number of Incidents
  37,959​
• Number of Deaths1
  9,538​
• Number of Injuries1
  18,708​
• Number of Children (age 0-11)
  Killed or Injured1
  447​
• Number of Teens (age 12-17)
  Killed or Injured1
  1,889​
• Mass Shooting2
  235​
• Officer Involved Incident
  Officer Shot or Killed2
  193​
• Officer Involved Incident
  Subject-Suspect Shot or Killed2
  1,438​
• Home Invasion2
  1,349​
• Defensive Use2
  1,173​
• Unintentional Shooting2
  1,096​

[FONT=&]Gun violence and crime incidents are collected/validated from 2,500 sources daily – incidents and their source data are found at the gunviolencearchive.org website.
1: Actual number of deaths and injuries
2: Number of INCIDENTS reported and verified

22,000 Annual Suicides not included on Daily Summary Ledger
Numbers on this table reflect a subset of all information collected and will not add to 100% of incidents.
www.gunviolencearchive.org www.facebook.com/gunviolencearchive
Data Validated: August 27, 2018

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Guns need be got rid of.
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The important thing is - are we on pace to set a record? Setting records is what this administration is all about. Nothing short of a record will do!

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

What is the underlying cultural problem that causes guns to be the symptom we must eliminate?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

What is the underlying cultural problem that causes guns to be the symptom we must eliminate?

The fact that the easy availability of guns causes the regular situations which happen identically in all other countries be able to spiral out of control into shootings and deaths far more frequently in yours.

There is no "underlying cultural problem" in the States which particularly differentiates you from the rest of the world. You just have the ability to escalate it far more than us and you take advantage of that ability.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Uh, to say there is no underlying cultural problem is to ignore reality.

 

[James Brown]

Texas Man Accused of Shooting Female Drivers Because He Believes They’re “Incompetent”

Do men in countries other than America who think poorly of women drivers shoot multiple people?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Uh, to say there is no underlying cultural problem is to ignore reality.

While it's true that you're more religious, less educated and have poorer access to mental health services than other first world countries, neither those nor anything else deals with the root of your problem. That root is your ability to seriously escalate regular situations into deadly ones due to the easy availability of firearms in your society.

That's the giant red flag you need to deal with. Focusing on "underlying cultural issues" or whatever other bullshit topic you feel like derailing the conversation with today is like dealing with a water main break by saying "Sure, we could turn off that water to that pipe and repair it, but that doesn't deal with the fact that the city uses high priced unionized labor on its maintenance crews instead of saving cash by outsourcing it to a private company". That may be a conversation to have, but first you stop the river of water that's flowing down a city street.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

If people get to the point where they think picking up a gun and shooting someone is a respectable course of action, there is something wrong above and beyond guns. It is a problem of civil ethics in a declining civilization. Saying it is guns is like trying to bail out the street that the water is flowing down - and using a teacup to do so.

Why has the US gotten to the point where some people in the US think picking up a gun and shooting someone is acceptable behavior?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

If people get to the point where they think picking up a gun and shooting someone is a respectable course of action, there is something wrong above and beyond guns. It is a problem of civil ethics in a declining civilization. Saying it is guns is like trying to bail out the street that the water is flowing down - and using a teacup to do so.

Why has the US gotten to the point where some people in the US think picking up a gun and shooting someone is acceptable behavior?

Well ... no. You have over 300 million people in your country and about 40,000 shootings so far this year, so only a miniscule percentage are shooting anyone and your civilization is fine and the average American today is still safer and more secure than pretty much any other person in any other time in human history. If you've already freaked out and started eating your neighbour, finish your meal of course, but otherwise don't be too concerned that the apocalypse is pending.

The issue is that the members of that miniscule minority have far easier access to deadlier weapons than the equivalent miniscule minorities in other countries do.

 

[Elixir]

If people get to the point where they think picking up a gun and shooting someone is a respectable course of action, there is something wrong above and beyond guns. It is a problem of civil ethics in a declining civilization. Saying it is guns is like trying to bail out the street that the water is flowing down - and using a teacup to do so.

Why has the US gotten to the point where some people in the US think picking up a gun and shooting someone is acceptable behavior?

Well ... no. You have over 300 million people in your country and about 40,000 shootings so far this year, so only a miniscule percentage are shooting anyone and your civilization is fine and the average American today is still safer and more secure than pretty much any other person in any other time in human history. If you've already freaked out and started eating your neighbour, finish your meal of course, but otherwise don't be too concerned that the apocalypse is pending.

The issue is that the members of that miniscule minority have far easier access to deadlier weapons than the equivalent miniscule minorities in other countries do.

Yup. there's that, and the fact that there is a role model in the the WH who panders to people with violent impulses.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Well ... no. You have over 300 million people in your country and about 40,000 shootings so far this year, so only a miniscule percentage are shooting anyone and your civilization is fine and the average American today is still safer and more secure than pretty much any other person in any other time in human history.

Wait, I was under the impression this was a huge problem, and now you're telling me it is a small problem? What other NRA talking points are you going to parrot at me?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well ... no. You have over 300 million people in your country and about 40,000 shootings so far this year, so only a miniscule percentage are shooting anyone and your civilization is fine and the average American today is still safer and more secure than pretty much any other person in any other time in human history.

Wait, I was under the impression this was a huge problem, and now you're telling me it is a small problem? What other NRA talking points are you going to parrot at me?

Of course it's a huge problem. You have a shit ton of people dying who don't need to die. I'm not saying it's a small problem. I'm saying it's not in any way indicative of a declining civilization as a whole or whatever your derail away from the gun problem was. Just because the small number of people involved don't speak for the other 99+% of your population doesn't mean you don't have a serious fucking issue to deal with and a very straightforward solution to dealing with that issue without pretending you'd need a core change at the heart of your civilization in order to do it.

 

[bilby]

If people get to the point where they think picking up a gun and shooting someone is a respectable course of action, there is something wrong above and beyond guns. It is a problem of civil ethics in a declining civilization. Saying it is guns is like trying to bail out the street that the water is flowing down - and using a teacup to do so.

Why has the US gotten to the point where some people in the US think picking up a gun and shooting someone is acceptable behavior?

The problem is that lots of people anywhere in the world have short tempers, and would pick up a gun and kill people before thinking about how acceptable or otherwise that behaviour might be.

In the rest of the world, there are obstacles in place to carrying out these 'heat of the moment' actions; By the time you have obtained a gun, you have had time to realize that its use is unacceptable.

But in the USA, many people can obtain a gun very quickly - or already have one to hand. Those people shoot someone, and only then have to deal with the fallout of that unacceptable behaviour. That's the wrong order of events to put people in, but it's the one chosen by the US.

In an escalating conflict, people act in unreasonable ways. When this leads to punches being thrown, people get hurt. When it leads to shots being fired, more people can be hurt a lot more seriously in a much shorter time. So it makes sense not to have lots of guns about the place that are easily and quickly available.

Violent confrontations are common worldwide. In the USA, these are FAR more likely to become shootings.

This is so fucking obvious I am amazed I had to spell it out.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Uh, to say there is no underlying cultural problem is to ignore reality.

This is going to hurt, but I agree with Jason here.

This isn't an either/or problem, it's both, IMO, and in the opinions of many people who actually want to solve this problem.

When it comes to solutions that can actually be implemented in a reasonable manner and time period however, the only factor that could be significantly affected is the availability of guns. So regulated and limiting the accessibility is step one. THEN, we can maybe looking at trying to unravel all of the many social factors that cause us to be so violent (toxic masculinity, fear mongering, lack of social safety net(s), etc.)

 

[Worldtraveller]

If people get to the point where they think picking up a gun and shooting someone is a respectable course of action, there is something wrong above and beyond guns. It is a problem of civil ethics in a declining civilization. Saying it is guns is like trying to bail out the street that the water is flowing down - and using a teacup to do so.

Why has the US gotten to the point where some people in the US think picking up a gun and shooting someone is acceptable behavior?

And this is you missing the point, because you're correct about this minor point.
Tom Sawyer is exactly right:

Focusing on "underlying cultural issues" or whatever other bullshit topic you feel like derailing the conversation with today is like dealing with a water main break by saying "Sure, we could turn off that water to that pipe and repair it, but that doesn't deal with the fact that the city uses high priced unionized labor on its maintenance crews instead of saving cash by outsourcing it to a private company". That may be a conversation to have, but first you stop the river of water that's flowing down a city street.

The river of water is the easy availability of guns and almost complete lack of gun regulation. We need to stop that first, before we can even begin to address the much more complicated topics of social change.

If you don't see that, then you are either blind, or intentionally obfuscating because you don't want to address either one.

 

[phands]

Jason is indeed right. That said, given that we're very unlikely to change human nature any time soon, if ever, the obvious answer is to remove guns. It works elsewhere in the world.

 

[Jarhyn]

What is the underlying cultural problem that causes guns to be the symptom we must eliminate?

How about the underlying PHYSICAL problem, the fact that of all the objects and tools and toys we make, guns are uniquely ill-suited except to disrupt living systems in the wild. They are weapons, plain and simple. Guns aren't the symptom, they are the disease itself. The presence of weapons in a situation where violence is neither wanted nor likely otherwise is, in and of itself, the problem. When you have a bright, shiny new hammer, it is human nature to percieve problems as nails.