Guns at the Republican Convention - Why not?

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I'm impressed with how many people are actively hoping for bloodshed and death.

 

[SimpleDon]

I'm impressed with how many people are actively hoping for bloodshed and death.

Why do you think that it would result in blood shed and death? Isn't the freedom to carry a gun anywhere one of man's fundamental, inalienable rights?

 

[Colonel Sanders]

I'm impressed with how many people are actively hoping for bloodshed and death.

That's a good point. However, there is also a hunger for the kind of poetic justice found only in 1970s Charles Bronson movies, or in farcical comedies. Many people, myself included, hold the NRA and their supporters, to a significant degree, for the massive amount of gun deaths, suicides, and injuries that occur every year in the U.S.

Sandy Hook did nothing to sway them. To my mind that was it. That was my give up point. How does a sane person look at that and say that it's okay because well, tough shit? And nothing's changed except the call to have more guns---in schools---in kindergarten classrooms! What in the motherfucking fucking fuck has happened to us???

So would I feel sorry for a bunch of these motherfuckers if they found themselves in a situation like the one imagine in the OP and they started firing all their fucking good-guy sticks. Not a goddamn bit. I'd feel sorry for the innocents, yes. But it would be like taking an assignment to go cover a war. You go in knowing the risks.

 

[thebeave]

I'm impressed with how many people are actively hoping for bloodshed and death.

Yep. Just goes to show that, despite all our incredible technological achievements over the years, we're still just a bunch of primitive poo-flinging monkeys at heart. We delight in the possible death and suffering of "the tribe that does not think like us".

Imagine if the Democratic National Convention committee decided to allow Muslims carte blanche access to the DNC without frisking, just to show to the world that Democrats love Muslims, that they truly are the "religion of peace" and that to frisk/search them would contribute to negative stereotypes about Muslims as suicide bombers. Republicans would be making similar jokes about death and bloodshed at the DNC.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I'm impressed with how many people are actively hoping for bloodshed and death.

We demand to be entertained. Their willingness to sacrifice their lives to give us a few minutes of respite from the dull, grey nothingness of our existence is something we honour them for. They should just man up and accept the compliment.

 

[Underseer]

I'm impressed with how many people are actively hoping for bloodshed and death.

That's a good point. However, there is also a hunger for the kind of poetic justice found only in 1970s Charles Bronson movies, or in farcical comedies. Many people, myself included, hold the NRA and their supporters, to a significant degree, for the massive amount of gun deaths, suicides, and injuries that occur every year in the U.S.

Sandy Hook did nothing to sway them. To my mind that was it. That was my give up point. How does a sane person look at that and say that it's okay because well, tough shit? And nothing's changed except the call to have more guns---in schools---in kindergarten classrooms! What in the motherfucking fucking fuck has happened to us???

So would I feel sorry for a bunch of these motherfuckers if they found themselves in a situation like the one imagine in the OP and they started firing all their fucking good-guy sticks. Not a goddamn bit. I'd feel sorry for the innocents, yes. But it would be like taking an assignment to go cover a war. You go in knowing the risks.

Sandy Hook never happened! It was all staged by actors! This is part of the conspiracy to confiscate our guns!!!!!!!

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Also, liberals are just as bad because they want to confiscate our guns!

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I'm impressed with how many people are actively hoping for bloodshed and death.

Why do you think that it would result in blood shed and death? Isn't the freedom to carry a gun anywhere one of man's fundamental, inalienable rights?

I think that people here think it would result in bloodshed and death. And I think they are hoping it will.

Sandy Hook never happened! It was all staged by actors! This is part of the conspiracy to confiscate our guns!

Enough of your conspiracy theory nonsense. Will the carrying of firearms impact your decision to attend your Republican Party convention?

 

[Jarhyn]

Why do you think that it would result in blood shed and death? Isn't the freedom to carry a gun anywhere one of man's fundamental, inalienable rights?

I think that people here think it would result in bloodshed and death. And I think they are hoping it will.

Sandy Hook never happened! It was all staged by actors! This is part of the conspiracy to confiscate our guns!

Enough of your conspiracy theory nonsense. Will the carrying of firearms impact your decision to attend your Republican Party convention?

When I drop a steel ball bearing, there is something in my mind that hopes it will fall according to the rules of gravity. There is a part of my mind that hopes that the world doesn't erupt in tentacles and spiders whenever some kid draws a pentagram on the ground, as much as I would probably be able to cope with that.

When things go according to a rational understanding of nature, we cheer. We hope this happens. Do we think it would result in a BETTER world? Probably not. But there is a certain value to the world operating in a sane and predictable way, and we recognize that with our subtle hope that mixing guns and a crowd with divisive conflicts results in violence. If it doesn't, that would mean something really fucked up is happening and the world stops making sense.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I think that people here think it would result in bloodshed and death. And I think they are hoping it will.

When I drop a steel ball bearing, there is something in my mind that hopes it will fall according to the rules of gravity. There is a part of my mind that hopes that the world doesn't erupt in tentacles and spiders whenever some kid draws a pentagram on the ground, as much as I would probably be able to cope with that.

When things go according to a rational understanding of nature, we cheer. We hope this happens. Do we think it would result in a BETTER world? Probably not. But there is a certain value to the world operating in a sane and predictable way, and we recognize that with our subtle hope that mixing guns and a crowd with divisive conflicts results in violence. If it doesn't, that would mean something really fucked up is happening and the world stops making sense.

Absurd. You are saying that a bloodbath is as inevitable as gravity.

No, the hope for a bloodbath isn't hoping for gravity to work, it is hoping that people who are despised will die. It's not physics, it's psychology. It is not the psychology of the "hated other", it is the psychology of those in this thread doing the hating.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

When I drop a steel ball bearing, there is something in my mind that hopes it will fall according to the rules of gravity. There is a part of my mind that hopes that the world doesn't erupt in tentacles and spiders whenever some kid draws a pentagram on the ground, as much as I would probably be able to cope with that.

When things go according to a rational understanding of nature, we cheer. We hope this happens. Do we think it would result in a BETTER world? Probably not. But there is a certain value to the world operating in a sane and predictable way, and we recognize that with our subtle hope that mixing guns and a crowd with divisive conflicts results in violence. If it doesn't, that would mean something really fucked up is happening and the world stops making sense.

Absurd. You are saying that a bloodbath is as inevitable as gravity.

No, the hope for a bloodbath isn't hoping for gravity to work, it is hoping that people who are despised will die. It's not physics, it's psychology. It is not the psychology of the "hated other", it is the psychology of those in this thread doing the hating.

I think that part of it is that maybe if their own end up killing each other by the very thing they hold so dearly, maybe it'll wake them up. But of course it wouldn't. And that's the problem. When mass murder doesn't sway a person from their position then either:

A) That person does not value the lives of others;
B) That person is, by a fair measure, sociopathic
C) That person believes that the price paid is worth the right held, but lacks the empathy to understand the suffering of others, or for some reason don't believe what they see.
D) All of the above

There simply is not a rational argument for the current interpretation of the Second Amendment. There is no argument to be made in terms of money, safety, or in any other kind of tradeoff that makes any sense if one holds human life to be valuable.

And I'm a goddamn hypocrite. I own a gun. But I was trained in the use of weaponry when I was in the Army. I know gun safety, I know how to use the thing properly. I have a healthy fear for the power of a gun. But if the government were to outlaw all of them tomorrow, I'd turn the goddamn thing in without shedding a tear because I believe in a non-violent society.

 

[Keith&Co.]

I'm impressed with how many people are actively hoping for bloodshed and death.

At the basic level, humor requires victims. but it's only allowable humor if it's an appropriate victim.

A small girl in a wheelchair getting hit with a cream pie isn't funny. But a banker, a stuffy accountant, a pompous judge, they make wonderful targets for cream pies. Because we approve of victimizing them.

People trying to advance the cause of civilization getting shot, not funny.
Republicans in the downward spiral of attempts to get civilization to collapse and/or retard civilization by a few decades, including defending the right or even duty of every American to go armed in every situation including emotionally charged ones or places filled up with children like schools? Those people getting shot, that's hilarious. Shooting each other? Gut busting funny.

 

[Ford]

I'm impressed with how many people are actively hoping for bloodshed and death.

Well if you buy the NRA logic that more guns = more security, then having everyone packing heat would make the GOP convention the safest place in America.

Guns, we're told endlessly, don't kill people. No, guns save lives. Trump, Cruz, the delegates, members of the media, etc. would all be protected by the 2nd Amendment stalwarts in the Quicken Loans Arena, and would actually be less likely to get shot than if the convention were a "gun free zone."

So if you don't think open carry should be allowed there, then it is you who are hoping for bloodshed and death. Why do you want these poor people to be defenseless against anyone who might want to do them harm?

 

[Rhea]

I'm impressed with how many people are actively hoping for bloodshed and death.

I didn't see anyone hoping for it. I think most of these people are demonstrably against it. But when we see all the ingredients that we have been saying will cause carnage being cheerfully sought out by a group of people, we are buoyed by the comforting knowledge that at least it's not innocents, this time, in danger. And we cheer that hopefully, FINALLY, it would create good change.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

I really doubt anybody will lose their tempers and start shooting. But then, nuts with guns.... Gabrielle Giffords.

On the other hand, I would not be surprised to see some hamheaded fool accidentally shoot his pistol.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

I'm more worried about the day care room because more Americans were killed by toddlers last year than then by terrorists.

Lord knows what would happen if they start woking together.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Well if you buy the NRA logic that more guns = more security, then having everyone packing heat would make the GOP convention the safest place in America.

Yes.
Probably the worst thing for America would be if there were no guns at the convention, and jihadists attack, and the GOP spends the next 20 years convincing themselves that open carry would have made the situation much betterer, and causes them to pass gun-toting legislation everywhere. Politicians, pages, teachers, anesthesiologists, open-heart-surgery patients, that guy on the corner talking about the toothpaste/airline conspiracy to use ducks to spy on masturbators, off-duty cabana boys....

 

[Underseer]

I'm impressed with how many people are actively hoping for bloodshed and death.

At the basic level, humor requires victims. but it's only allowable humor if it's an appropriate victim.

A small girl in a wheelchair getting hit with a cream pie isn't funny. But a banker, a stuffy accountant, a pompous judge, they make wonderful targets for cream pies. Because we approve of victimizing them.

People trying to advance the cause of civilization getting shot, not funny.
Republicans in the downward spiral of attempts to get civilization to collapse and/or retard civilization by a few decades, including defending the right or even duty of every American to go armed in every situation including emotionally charged ones or places filled up with children like schools? Those people getting shot, that's hilarious. Shooting each other? Gut busting funny.

Oh my gosh, you are persecuting rich people!!!!!! [/conservolibertarian]

 

[Underseer]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/21/1172739/-I-Called-the-NRA-Today-Oh-Boy

Funny, it's almost as if the NRA doesn't believe its own rhetoric.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

I'm impressed with how many people are actively hoping for bloodshed and death.

No, we're actively hoping that all of the open carry advocates tell the world what a bad idea it would be to bring all those 'responsible gun owners' together, and tell their supporters to ... Dog help us ... disarm. And make sure they know that if they bring a weapon, it will be confiscated. By the government. Just as it happens in their nightmares. We don't want anyone to die; we just want their fucknuts position on guns to be on full display.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

So if you don't think open carry should be allowed there, then it is you who are hoping for bloodshed and death. Why do you want these poor people to be defenseless against anyone who might want to do them harm?

Nice redirect, too bad you missed your target. I am not advocating for or against carrying at the GOP convention. I'm merely noticing how many people here in this thread at Talk Freethought think it would be a good thing if delegates at the GOP convention were to be shot. Don't you people like Underseer anymore?