Half of beneficiaries of NYC's new healthcare program are illegals

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Because there just isn't enough suffering in NYC.

And everything is free here! It's great. Inexpensive to live; gold in the streets; and so many free things just lying about.

 

[bilby]

Half the 600000 residents aided by NYC Care are undocumented immigrants

Tell me again how great for the economy these illegals are.
And by the way, the more benefits we keep giving illegals, the more incentive more of them have to keep coming illegally.

What should happen, in addition to better border security, is to remove all incentives for illegals to come. No health or education benefits, no driver's licenses, no ability to work, and if at all possible, no birthright citizenship for anchor babies.

Unfortunately, we are moving in the opposite direction by giving more and more benefits to illegals. DeBlasio is a fucking traitor!

Incentive to come here is what made America great in the first place. Why do you hate the United States of America?

Surely you can understand there is a difference between people who come here to work and people who come here to take from others?

People who earn a wage someone else pays voluntarily are by definition contributing something of value. People who take are by definition lowering the living standards of everyone else.

Of course, over here in reality, effects don't precede causes.

Are you suggesting that half the recipients of the new program arrived in the USA since the implementation of the new program; Or are you of the opinion that undocumented immigrants are posessed of psychic powers of premonition, and came to NYC over the last several decades in anticipation of this opportunity?

That they came without the expectation of the existence of such a program, but (having been unfortunate enough to be sick or injured) found that their fellow residents were kind enough to help them out without concern for their immigration status, is cleary crazy. Because everyone is a selfish cunt who hates illegal immigrants, and considers migration status as the most important characteristic any person could have. I personally make a point of always checking people's passports before helping them in any way, because to do otherwise would be unacceptable.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Took my wife to orthopedics yesterday, to get her temporary splint replaced with a permanent cast.

There was a big delay in getting treatment because she got hurt at work, but her boss hasn't filed the workman's comp claim. So they couldn't let anyone see her on the city's insurance. But, you know, the ankle IS broken, so we used my insurance to be seen. And they were insistent that we understood that we would have to pay any copay for the treatment.
Admittedly, they skipped over any questions of citizenship, but I was still amazed that we had to cool our heels for as long as we did while the money people made phone calls to each other.


All in all, I would much prefer a situation where if someone is hurt, they get professional treatment sufficient to the hurt, not to their financial status or legal status.

So, like, my take here is that hurt people are being treated.



Yay.


That's, like, part of the reason we even have medical facilities, right? Hypocritcal oaths and stuff like that there.

 

[PyramidHead]

Took my wife to orthopedics yesterday, to get her temporary splint replaced with a permanent cast.

There was a big delay in getting treatment because she got hurt at work, but her boss hasn't filed the workman's comp claim. So they couldn't let anyone see her on the city's insurance. But, you know, the ankle IS broken, so we used my insurance to be seen. And they were insistent that we understood that we would have to pay any copay for the treatment.
Admittedly, they skipped over any questions of citizenship, but I was still amazed that we had to cool our heels for as long as we did while the money people made phone calls to each other.


All in all, I would much prefer a situation where if someone is hurt, they get professional treatment sufficient to the hurt, not to their financial status or legal status.

So, like, my take here is that hurt people are being treated.



Yay.


That's, like, part of the reason we even have medical facilities, right? Hypocritcal oaths and stuff like that there.

eXtRaOrDiNaRiLy LoW oPiNiOn!

 

[laughing dog]

*Said in my best Ronald Reagan voice* There you go again.

You assume that these are people without integrity. They are not coming for the free stuff, they are looking to work for a better life for themselves and their families.

Surely you can see how your views might be interpreted as racist? I myself am not sure about that, but you definitely sound cheap.

And, according to the article, they're taking a lot of free stuff.

If your argument requires denying reality to succeed, it may not be that good of an argument.

Can you point out where it says that is why they are coming here?

Good question. Don't hold your breath waiting for a cogent reply.

 

[Worldtraveller]

*Said in my best Ronald Reagan voice* There you go again.

You assume that these are people without integrity. They are not coming for the free stuff, they are looking to work for a better life for themselves and their families.

Surely you can see how your views might be interpreted as racist? I myself am not sure about that, but you definitely sound cheap.

And, according to the article, they're taking a lot of free stuff.

This dumbass opinion relies on an unsupported assertion, that they aren't paying for it.

In order for that to be true:
1) They'd have to not be working at all; or 2) They are working, but being paid entirely 'under the table'.

Demonstrate that a significant portion of these 'freeloaders' fall into that category, and you might have a point.

I eagerly await your evidence.

 

[laughing dog]

Half the 600000 residents aided by NYC Care are undocumented immigrants

Tell me again how great for the economy these illegals are.
And by the way, the more benefits we keep giving illegals, the more incentive more of them have to keep coming illegally.

What should happen, in addition to better border security, is to remove all incentives for illegals to come. No health or education benefits, no driver's licenses, no ability to work, and if at all possible, no birthright citizenship for anchor babies.

Unfortunately, we are moving in the opposite direction by giving more and more benefits to illegals. DeBlasio is a fucking traitor!

What is this "we" - NYC is not in Atlanta or Georgia. If the people of NYC through their duly elected representatives wish to promote the health of the public through this vehicle, that is their business, not yours.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Took my wife to orthopedics yesterday, to get her temporary splint replaced with a permanent cast.

There was a big delay in getting treatment because she got hurt at work, but her boss hasn't filed the workman's comp claim. So they couldn't let anyone see her on the city's insurance. But, you know, the ankle IS broken, so we used my insurance to be seen. And they were insistent that we understood that we would have to pay any copay for the treatment.
Admittedly, they skipped over any questions of citizenship, but I was still amazed that we had to cool our heels for as long as we did while the money people made phone calls to each other.


All in all, I would much prefer a situation where if someone is hurt, they get professional treatment sufficient to the hurt, not to their financial status or legal status.

So, like, my take here is that hurt people are being treated.



Yay.


That's, like, part of the reason we even have medical facilities, right? Hypocritcal oaths and stuff like that there.

You monster!!

 

[PyramidHead]

Can you point out where it says that is why they are coming here?

Good question. Don't hold your breath waiting for a cogent reply.

I don't know that it's a good question, actually. Does it matter if they ARE coming here because they need some basic necessity that isn't available to them in their home country? That lets conservatives set the narrative that there's something evil and unjust about "sanctuary cities". When in actuality, any society with riches such as ours should be proud to help people in need of medical services, regardless of their point of origin, because they're human and we can easily accommodate them. Is that likely to happen? Maybe not, but the original comment wasn't about feasibility, it was about ethical principles.

 

[Bronzeage]

What's really outrageous is the number of people who get assistance in New York, and weren't even born there.

When are New Yorkers going to wake up and realize that anyone can move to New York and take up residence, depriving true New Yorkers of their God given New York things. That's something the mainstream media won't tell you.

 

[J842P]

*Said in my best Ronald Reagan voice* There you go again.

You assume that these are people without integrity. They are not coming for the free stuff, they are looking to work for a better life for themselves and their families.

Surely you can see how your views might be interpreted as racist? I myself am not sure about that, but you definitely sound cheap.

And, according to the article, they're taking a lot of free stuff.

If your argument requires denying reality to succeed, it may not be that good of an argument.

They are also, by all accounts, working a lot. For relatively cheap, lowering the cost of living all around.

If only there were studies on the net effects of immigration on the overall economy.

 

[marc]

Surely you can understand there is a difference between people who come here to work and people who come here to take from others?

Are you an Ayn Rand fan? Sounds like it.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Half the 600000 residents aided by NYC Care are undocumented immigrants

Tell me again how great for the economy these illegals are.
And by the way, the more benefits we keep giving illegals, the more incentive more of them have to keep coming illegally.

What should happen, in addition to better border security, is to remove all incentives for illegals to come. No health or education benefits, no driver's licenses, no ability to work, and if at all possible, no birthright citizenship for anchor babies.

Unfortunately, we are moving in the opposite direction by giving more and more benefits to illegals. DeBlasio is a fucking traitor!

Incentive to come here is what made America great in the first place. Why do you hate the United States of America?

Surely you can understand there is a difference between people who come here to work and people who come here to take from others?

People who earn a wage someone else pays voluntarily are by definition contributing something of value. People who take are by definition lowering the living standards of everyone else.

Aren't you on welfare (or is that Derec)?

 

[J842P]

Surely you can understand there is a difference between people who come here to work and people who come here to take from others?

Are you an Ayn Rand fan? Sounds like it.

Yes, he clearly is.

 

[Derec]

Aren't you on welfare (or is that Derec)?

Definitely not! I am a net taxpayer, and that by quite a bit. No huge tax refunds for me because I do not qualify for EITC or child tax credit on account of no children!

Are you confusing both of us with Lord Kirian? I have not seen much from him (is he all right?), but he has been talking about not working and mooching off his boyfriend ...

 

[Emily Lake]

In order for that to be true:
1) They'd have to not be working at all; or 2) They are working, but being paid entirely 'under the table'.

Minor quibble, but there is that whole thing where you have to provide evidence of identity and right to work in order to hold a legitimate job in the US. It’s all wrapped up with that whole taxes thing the government likes so much.

Now that said, it’s not necessarily limited to under the table. It could also be working with forged documents.

Which do you think the majority of illegal immigrants do?

ETA: that’s not a challenge or argument, it’s actually a question. I don’t really know one way or another.


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[Derec]

Incentive to come here is what made America great in the first place. Why do you hate the United States of America?

Times change. By the turn of the 20th century, population of the US was still less than 80 million. Now it's 330 million. Back then we needed more immigrants. But it is foolish to think that our immigration laws and practices should be the same as they were when the population was less than one fourth than what it is today.

That said, US still takes a lot of legal immigrants. There is no need to incentivize illegal immigration by giving them all sorts of benefits. Illegals should be deported.

 

[Emily Lake]

Can you point out where it says that is why they are coming here?

Good question. Don't hold your breath waiting for a cogent reply.

I don't know that it's a good question, actually. Does it matter if they ARE coming here because they need some basic necessity that isn't available to them in their home country? That lets conservatives set the narrative that there's something evil and unjust about "sanctuary cities". When in actuality, any society with riches such as ours should be proud to help people in need of medical services, regardless of their point of origin, because they're human and we can easily accommodate them. Is that likely to happen? Maybe not, but the original comment wasn't about feasibility, it was about ethical principles.

How do you think those sanctuaries are financed?


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[Derec]

It's the humane thing to do, Derec.

The problem is that it incentivizes more people to come here illegally. In the long run, it's unsustainable, because somebody has to pay for all this. And US cannot accomodate ever increasing population either, not economically, not environmentally, not culturally.
It may be humane to treat somebody who is sick and here illegally, but we can't treat all the sick people from anywhere in the world. Especially since in the US, citizens still go broke because of medical bills.

Perhaps the answer is not to look to hire people at lower rates based on their ethnicity, but hire people at the same higher rate regardless. Then none of your rants would matter. Not that thy matter to me to begin with. But perhaps looking at solutions rather than inventing issues to bitch about? Just a suggestion.

Do you have any evidence that people are not hired based on their ethnicity? Illegals are not eligible to work here because they are here illegally, not because of their ethnicity. And many do not speak English and have little in terms of marketable skills, which dampens their prospects on the labor market except for unskilled labor.

The only real solution is to deport illegals already here and stop illegals from coming to US in large numbers. But the left is against both these things. Instead, they are against border security, they are against deporting illegals and they are for treating illegals like lawful residents. And obviously that invites more and more illegals to come.

 

[Derec]

Members of any species migrate to where survival seems surest.

And other members of the species defend their territory from these interlopers. They certainly do not give them free health care.
I assume you think there is nothing wrong with illegal immigration. You may even be one of those 'open borders' people. I think that's national suicide.

Might that be the case?

No. Just because you are a human being does not mean you have the right to move wherever you want or to demand free healthcare, paid for by people already living there.

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Because there just isn't enough suffering in NYC.

Taxes are also way too low, so let's just increase them to pay for healthcare for those who should not be here in the first place.