Half of beneficiaries of NYC's new healthcare program are illegals

[Emily Lake]

I’d like to bring a couple of topics together here. On the one hand, there’s the topic of needing a living wage for US citizens and all of the problems caused by extreme wealth disparity. On the other hand is illegal immigration and the strain it puts on existing social systems.

I’m going to posit that it’s not reasonable to think that both problems can be satisfactorily solved simultaneously. So which topic do you guys think is the more important one, and why? And in order to focus on that problem, what from the other topic would you be willing to set aside from consideration for a few years? Hypothetically speaking, of course - I don’t have any illusion that either will be addressed in a reasonable way within my lifetime.


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[Derec]

You assume that these are people without integrity. They are not coming for the free stuff, they are looking to work for a better life for themselves and their families.

There are legal ways to immigrate. Yes, there are limited slots for that, but US is a finite country with a finite ability to absorb immigrants, so that's a necessity.
Nobody has the right to enter another country illegally!

Surely you can see how your views might be interpreted as racist? I myself am not sure about that, but you definitely sound cheap.

Being against illegal immigration is not "racist".

 

[Derec]

What is this "we" - NYC is not in Atlanta or Georgia. If the people of NYC through their duly elected representatives wish to promote the health of the public through this vehicle, that is their business, not yours.

Has NYC seceded yet? King William I the Tall been coronated yet?
I am sorry, I missed this news. Please accept my apologies. As a sovereign realm, NYC is now of course free to take in sick people from all over the world and treat them for free.

 

[poster]

And other members of the species defend their territory from these interlopers. They certainly do not give them free health care.
I assume you think there is nothing wrong with illegal immigration. You may even be one of those 'open borders' people. I think that's national suicide.


No. Just because you are a human being does not mean you have the right to move wherever you want or to demand free healthcare, paid for by people already living there.

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Because there just isn't enough suffering in NYC.

Taxes are also way too low, so let's just increase them to pay for healthcare for those who should not be here in the first place.

You sure do know how to mangle a conversation. Was that by accident?

 

[Derec]

You sure do know how to mangle a conversation. Was that by accident?

Mangle? What do you mean?

"You’ve been had. You’ve been took. You’ve been hoodwinked. Bamboozled. Led astray. Run amok," Malcolm X

Says the guy who converted to Islam of all things.

 

[poster]

"You’ve been had. You’ve been took. You’ve been hoodwinked. Bamboozled. Led astray. Run amok," Malcolm X

Says the guy who converted to Islam of all things.

I'll assume then that you've never cast a vote for a Christian candidate for office?

 

[poster]

I’d like to bring a couple of topics together here. On the one hand, there’s the topic of needing a living wage for US citizens and all of the problems caused by extreme wealth disparity. On the other hand is illegal immigration and the strain it puts on existing social systems.

I’m going to posit that it’s not reasonable to think that both problems can be satisfactorily solved simultaneously. So which topic do you guys think is the more important one, and why? And in order to focus on that problem, what from the other topic would you be willing to set aside from consideration for a few years? Hypothetically speaking, of course - I don’t have any illusion that either will be addressed in a reasonable way within my lifetime.


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Thank you for coming in to bring order, EL. Derec is making a mess of things.

 

[Emily Lake]

We all bring our own bullshit to bear.

Care to venture a response to my question? It certainly wasn’t aimed at Derec alone, but at everyone in the conversation.


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[laughing dog]

What is this "we" - NYC is not in Atlanta or Georgia. If the people of NYC through their duly elected representatives wish to promote the health of the public through this vehicle, that is their business, not yours.

Has NYC seceded yet? King William I the Tall been coronated yet?
I am sorry, I missed this news. Please accept my apologies. As a sovereign realm, NYC is now of course free to take in sick people from all over the world and treat them for free.

NYC is permitted to offer free medical care to anyone in NYC. I am surprised you don't know such a simple fact.

 

[Opoponax]

Good fuck.

What the OP is doing is attempting to thwart any chance at a first world healthcare system by arguing that because illegals use it, we can't do it.

Nothing more, nothing less.

You don't want illegal immigrants here? Fine. Start fining and shutting down all the businesses that employ them. Jail the employers. How's that sound?

But wouldn't that hurt business, you ask? Why yes, young man; yes it would! And your food would cost more, construction would cost more, housing would cost more, and lots and lots of and lots of things would cost more and more and more! It would be like, well, paying a tax to not have illegal immigrants working here.

So, if no illegal immigrants worked here, would you be in favor of universal healthcare?

 

[Toni]

I’m trying to figure out who is better off when some people don’t get their medical needs addressed....

 

[Keith&Co.]

I’m trying to figure out who is better off when some people don’t get their medical needs addressed....

Ever see the WKRP episode where they did an ad for a funeral home?

You see, I'm a volume dealer. I've got to move them in, and move them out. Unfortunately, people aren't dying fast enough these days. It's a problem.

 

[AirPoh]

Mangle? What do you mean?

Your stupid posts obviously.

 

[dismal]

Taxes are also way too low, so let's just increase them to pay for healthcare for those who should not be here in the first place.

Well, presumably if people taking money from government is the key to prosperity we don't want taxes at all.

I'm happy to do my part. Instead of paying taxes I'll take like a trillion dollars. That should really help.

 

[poster]

Taxes are also way too low, so let's just increase them to pay for healthcare for those who should not be here in the first place.

Well, presumably if people taking money from government is the key to prosperity we don't want taxes at all.

I'm happy to do my part. Instead of paying taxes I'll take like a trillion dollars. That should really help.

I'm curious! Do either one or both of you dine at Mexican or Asian restaurants in order to justify a really shitty tip or no tip at all?

 

[dismal]

Taxes are also way too low, so let's just increase them to pay for healthcare for those who should not be here in the first place.

Well, presumably if people taking money from government is the key to prosperity we don't want taxes at all.

I'm happy to do my part. Instead of paying taxes I'll take like a trillion dollars. That should really help.

I'm curious! Do either one or both of you dine at Mexican or Asian restaurants in order to justify a really shitty tip or no tip at all?

I'm curious why when someone criticizes "taking from government" your thoughts immediately go to people in Mexican and Asian restaurants. It appears you have some serious bigotry against Mexicans and Asians.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Aren't you on welfare (or is that Derec)?

Definitely not! I am a net taxpayer

A "net" taxpayer? Are you suggesting that you've paid in as much as you are taking out?

 

[poster]

I'm curious! Do either one or both of you dine at Mexican or Asian restaurants in order to justify a really shitty tip or no tip at all?

I'm curious why when someone criticizes "taking from government" your thoughts immediately go to people in Mexican and Asian restaurants. It appears you have some serious bigotry against Mexicans and Asians.

Sorry, I assumed you don't like curry! It does a number on my stomach. I must have been projecting?

 

[dismal]

I'm curious! Do either one or both of you dine at Mexican or Asian restaurants in order to justify a really shitty tip or no tip at all?

I'm curious why when someone criticizes "taking from government" your thoughts immediately go to people in Mexican and Asian restaurants. It appears you have some serious bigotry against Mexicans and Asians.

Sorry, I assumed you don't like curry! It does a number on my stomach. I must have been projecting?

Yes, projecting bigotry and hatred.

 

[poster]

Sorry, I assumed you don't like curry! It does a number on my stomach. I must have been projecting?

Yes, projecting bigotry and hatred.

I see! Readers of the thread can make that determination for themselves.