Hang Ayaz Nizami

[untermensche]

For what? What do you think will happen when they get deprived of their freedom and drugged?

nobody have right to insult other people religion, if you dont like religion you can shut up

If you don't like people calling ideas primitive and wrong you can shut up.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Fellow atheists have wrongly offended the Religion of Peace™ and may die for their inexcusable Islamophobia.

According to FIA sources the arrested, Ayaz Nizami alias Abdul Waheed and Rana Nauman, have admitted to having contacts in Holland, USA, UK and Canada from where they got financial and technical assistance.

The suspects were using a Dutch SIM for uploading blasphemous content on WhatsApp. Cyber Crime Circle Islamabad has registered an FIR under section 7/17.

Both the suspects used to upload blasphemous content on various, reports claim.

Blasphemy crackdown: FIA arrests 2 suspects from Karachi

The reaction from "moderate" Muslims (not those ISIS folks who don't understand their religion as well as Western liberals) is reasoned and just:

It should be remembered that the West also used to have blasphemy laws, so anyone concerned about this is a %$#@!^&*ist. There should be no worry at all that this mindset is being imported into Western countries. Don't forget that the members of Monty Python were brought up on blasphemy charges for Life of Brian. It's so shameful that those bastards weren't hanged, too.

Considering a film made by Atheists and Muslim reformists (The Honor Diaries)is barred from mos campuses in part due the (US) Muslim Student's Association, (branch of the Muslim Brotherhood do you think many in the US give a rat's rear-end about the rights of a person has to voice their opinion in the wrongs that affect some parts of Muslim societies.

http://www.honordiaries.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_Diaries


You will see that many of the reformists are themselves Muslim but the Council on American Islamic Relatons (CAIR) and the MSA (Muslim Students Association) are actively working to have this film banned on campuses. So if there is no interest in women's rights there certainly is no interest in Atheist rights.

 

[Keith&Co.]

nobody have right to insult other people religion, if you dont like religion you can shut up

This must be a new stance you've adopted, Syed, some time since you mocked the whole idea of the trinity, for example.



You have mocked more than a few religious beliefs in your time here, syed, making you a bit of a hypocrite for Allah.

 

[ronburgundy]

nobody have right to insult other people religion,

That is a key difference between an actual civilized society and the pseudo-civilizations of the Islamic world. One of the core neccessary features of a civilized society is that not only does everyone have the right to criticize other people's religion or anything else, but no one has the right to use government, violence, or threats of violence to try and stop that criticism. In fact, the merits and progress of any society is based upon not only protecting such a right to criticize anything, but actually promoting such criticism as a noble act that benefits humankind and is the basis of all moral, political, and scientific progress.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Nobody? what about Prophet Mohamed?

he didn't insult other religions

The key word there is "insult". The criticallity of a statement required to make it an "insult" seems to be inversely proportional to how extreme someone holds a religious belief.

 

[untermensche]

nobody have right to insult other people religion,

That is a key difference between an actual civilized society and the pseudo-civilizations of the Islamic world. One of the core neccessary features of a civilized society is that not only does everyone have the right to criticize other people's religion or anything else, but no one has the right to use government, violence, or threats of violence to try and stop that criticism. In fact, the merits and progress of any society is based upon not only protecting such a right to criticize anything, but actually promoting such criticism as a noble act that benefits humankind and is the basis of all moral, political, and scientific progress.

There have been many tolerant Muslims. There are many tolerant Muslims.

But since some want to pretend all Muslims are intolerant those many Muslims that are tolerant are quickly forgotten by them.

Right now the Muslim world is suffering the after shocks of the US terrorist attack of Iraq in 2003 and the brutal decade long military occupation.

It is in chaos.

And when people are in chaos and being attacked the most radical leaders can take control.

What we see in the Muslim world is not some natural tendency of Islam. It is the rise of widespread radicalism due to incredible violence from without.

Helped quite a bit of course by the US's good friend Saudi Arabia.

You know the people flying the planes on 911.

 

[Derec]

The posting behavior of poster X has absolutely no bearing on whether some other poster is hobby horsing.

Except he is never called out on it and his "US is bad, mkay" shtick has absolutely nothing to do with the thread.

Unsurprisingly, you let no opportunity to inject one of your boring and bigoted hobby horses into the discussion.

On the contrary, unlike unter's completely off-topic US bashing, my comment had to do with the homicidal attitudes of the people the Left insists we should import to the West in mass quantities.

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If you think you have a civilization you are not afraid of any individuals. If you have a civilization no matter where they start they will be civilized.

That is extremely naive. Especially when then come in in huge numbers.

If you do not have a civilization but a redneck ignorant xenophobic clusterfuck then anybody who comes in should be careful if they look a little too different.

It has nothing to do with their looks but with their culture being incompatible with Western culture.

 

[laughing dog]

Except he is never called out on it and his "US is bad, mkay" shtick has absolutely nothing to do with the thread.

"Never" - nope.

On the contrary, unlike unter's completely off-topic US bashing, my comment had to do with the homicidal attitudes of the people the Left insists we should import to the West in mass quantities.

Which is a hobby horse of yours and which is not the topic of the OP.

 

[Derec]

Well, from the sample size you've presented we have upwards of 43 people who express the opinion on Twitter that Ayaz Nizami should be hanged.

And you think they are the only ones?
Look at the attitudes of Muslims toward killing those who leave Islam. You can see that majorities in many Muslim countries support it.

Something like 78% of Afghans support death penalty for apostasy, as do 73% of Pakistanis.
Those are exactly the areas many mass migrants who are flooding Europe are coming from.

On the other hand, there are about two billion Muslims on the planet right now whose opinions, I think, are not represented by three posts and 43 likes/shares on Twitter. So I'll reserve judgement until and unless this becomes a widespread thing and not just another mean-spirited meme on twitter.

It is a widespread thing among Muslims and you sticking your head in the sand is not going to change that.

 

[Derec]

Which is a hobby horse of yours and which is not the topic of the OP.

The topic of the OP are homicidal attitudes of many Muslims. How am I being off-topic?

 

[untermensche]

If you think you have a civilization you are not afraid of any individuals. If you have a civilization no matter where they start they will be civilized.

That is extremely naive. Especially when then come in in huge numbers.

Not naive at all.

They are merely humans and have no superpowers.

And they want peace and a peaceful place to raise their children as much as anyone.

If you do not have a civilization but a redneck ignorant xenophobic clusterfuck then anybody who comes in should be careful if they look a little too different.

It has nothing to do with their looks but with their culture being incompatible with Western culture.

Now there is something naive.

Especially from somebody from Georgia.

Looks, sexual orientation, style of dress, it doesn't matter.

If it is a little different there is an American somewhere looking to hurt you because of it.

 

[funinspace]

Fellow atheists have wrongly offended the Religion of Peace™ and may die for their inexcusable Islamophobia.

Uhhhhm...what? If we had threads for every time one of these 2 dozen or so really fucked up ass backward's Islamic theocratic hell holes had another moment of monumental stupidity, we would never have time to give FFvC a proper insulting.

 

[funinspace]

For what? What do you think will happen when they get deprived of their freedom and drugged?

nobody have right to insult other people religion, if you dont like religion you can shut up

Uhhh...Syed...yes in fact, we as American's (along with the majority of democratic nations), have the right to insult other people's religion. So may Mo spend eternity being fucked by a dog while only allowed to eat hot dogs.

And may the "Life of Brian" be rebroadcast until the end of the ages...

 

[dismal]

nobody have right to insult other people religion, if you dont like religion you can shut up

This must be a new stance you've adopted, Syed, some time since you mocked the whole idea of the trinity, for example.



You have mocked more than a few religious beliefs in your time here, syed, making you a bit of a hypocrite for Allah.

Syed is not a *real* muslim.

 

[funinspace]

This must be a new stance you've adopted, Syed, some time since you mocked the whole idea of the trinity, for example.



You have mocked more than a few religious beliefs in your time here, syed, making you a bit of a hypocrite for Allah.

Syed is not a *real* muslim.

Well if that is the case, maybe he is a witness for Jehovah...

 

[ronburgundy]

That is a key difference between an actual civilized society and the pseudo-civilizations of the Islamic world. One of the core neccessary features of a civilized society is that not only does everyone have the right to criticize other people's religion or anything else, but no one has the right to use government, violence, or threats of violence to try and stop that criticism. In fact, the merits and progress of any society is based upon not only protecting such a right to criticize anything, but actually promoting such criticism as a noble act that benefits humankind and is the basis of all moral, political, and scientific progress.

There have been many tolerant Muslims. There are many tolerant Muslims.

First, nothing I said implied that individual Muslims cannot be tolerant of free speech. I spoke about societies in which Islam is the rule of law being intolerant of free speech, because Islam is defined by theistic ideas that are inherently authoritarian and intolerant of disobedience.

Second, any Muslim that supports a society based upon Islam is, by definition, intolerant of free speech and countless other things, because Islam itself is inherently at odds with tolerance and liberty. Just as with Christians and Jews, the "Muslims" who are tolerant are those that reject most of what the Koran/Bible has to say about morality and societal laws, and instead rely on secular values while retaining some of the cultural appearances of Islam (like most Christians have come to do over the past few centuries).

Right now the Muslim world is suffering the after shocks of the US terrorist attack of Iraq in 2003 and the brutal decade long military occupation.

The Muslim world is suffering the inherent evil of the Muslim faith, which are in opposition to rational thought, progress, and respect for the liberty of each person to choose all their own beliefs and words, and also actions within the boundaries of causing direct harm to another's body or property.
While US attacks have produced some casualties and hardships, these are nothing compared to those caused by the imposition of Islam onto the people of that region via coercive violence for over a thousands years.
The worst contribution of the US policy to the region has not been the direct effects of its warfare but the indirect of further empowering the leaders of Islam to rationalize implementing the inherently oppressive ideas of Islam into government and stifling any internal progress towards secularization and the demise of Islam's influence that is required for any real moral or political progress there.

And when people are in chaos and being attacked the most radical leaders can take control.

What we see in the Muslim world is not some natural tendency of Islam. It is the rise of widespread radicalism due to incredible violence from without.

Islam is inherently radical and in direct opposition to all modern ethics and progressive political principles. So, any increased influence of Islam is an increase in dangerous radicalism. The US has fueled "radicalism" by giving true believing Islamist an excuse to actually enforce the abhorrently violent, intolerant and anti-reason values of Mohammed and the author's of the Koran, and to use violence to stop any growth of secularism.

Helped quite a bit of course by the US's good friend Saudi Arabia.

You know the people flying the planes on 911.

True, Saudi Arabia is not the US's "friend", nor can it or any country ever be so long as it declares the Koran its constitution and Sharia law the basis of its legislation. But it isn't just the government that is the enemy, but the culture as a whole, just like the prevailing culture of all Islamic ruled countries in the Muslim world. The 911 terrorists were raised in the culture of Islam and were true believers as are most Al-Queda members. Just like conservative Christians have the most honest and accurate interpretation of the Bible (and its inherently intolerant, irrational ideas), "radicals" of Islam are just actual Islamists who honestly and accurately apply the intended meaning of founding religious texts. Radical Islam just means taking the Koran seriously as a source of ideas and values. So-called moderate or liberal Islam has been deradicalized by being watered-down, neutered, and distorted beyond recognition via secular re-imagining that leaves it as dissimiliar to the original as Python's "Life of Brian" is to the New Testament.

 

[LordKiran]

This must be a new stance you've adopted, Syed, some time since you mocked the whole idea of the trinity, for example.



You have mocked more than a few religious beliefs in your time here, syed, making you a bit of a hypocrite for Allah.

Syed is not a *real* muslim.

You say that like anyone here has ever made that argument. Dismal, if you're going to debate and argue at a Facebook level then maybe Facebook would be a better fit for you than here.

 

[dismal]

Syed is not a *real* muslim.

You say that like anyone here has ever made that argument. Dismal, if you're going to debate and argue at a Facebook level then maybe Facebook would be a better fit for you than here.

I say that because he does not embrace western values like free speech when obviously a *real* representative muslim would.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Also, in another news story I read specific to this thread topic, it said that these specific individuals who have been charged were being kept in an anti-terrorism cell? So, what does that mean? Additionally, it says previously five bloggers had been charged under the same law, and those bloggers, when they were subsequently returned to home unhurt, said that they were charged under the color of the law because they had criticized military and intelligence services of Pakistan. So, people are charged under blasphemy laws when they criticize the government?

Peace.

Typical for theocratic societies. It's an easy way to provoke hate against those they don't like.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

For what? What do you think will happen when they get deprived of their freedom and drugged?

nobody have right to insult other people religion, if you dont like religion you can shut up

We are in a country with freedom of speech.

That means we do have the right to insult religion. Religion is one of the great sources of evil in the world today, it's very worthy of insulting.