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Harvard Astronomer Says Interstellar Object Could Be Alein

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I knew it. Woo Woos are invading everywhere.

Then again some of our best scientists are SF's best SF writers as well.

Imagine. Solution for undefined is accident and for go-to-zero is change. Now there's a field explaining mass and we call that the final element in The Standard Model, except for black energy and matter that is.

Its a real problem being out here on the outer portions of a small galaxy in a super cluster of galaxies is knowing we can't get up close and personal to things beyond maybe ten to twelve light years away when we know the universe is at least 65 billion light years across.

So we see bubbles in energy and matter traces suggesting the blacks are frameworks for organization of our matter and energy universe.

Natural to convert parsecs to furlongs per fortnight.

Now our by using standard candle, what we think is a standard supernova, we get results that suggest universe is accelerating it's expansion,.

Wow, er, woo woo.

Thing is the models we have created predict phenomena pretty well whenever and wherever we look.

Gotta give Archimedes credit. He, without telescopes, calculated a round earth of about 25000 miles diameter in modern units twenty-three hundred years ago.

Eyup. From knots for measuring constructions to clay indentations for tracking transactions to a written language to the modern era in less than 8000 years. Makes one wonder what all those humans were doing for the last 200,000 years beyond populating the earth two or three times, discovering art controlling fire to manufacture bronze, copper, then iron tools and weapons.

On the shoulders of the curious comes modern giants like Trump to snuff it all out.*

*arriving at a logical conclusion based on a rants of nutty professor near Boston, or just going over the top because I have idle time.
 
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https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/har...-explanation-of-interstellar-object-1.4252951

I watched this guy today on a news segment. He claims a turd like object has a good chance of being a alien manufactured object, even a probe to 'spy on us', his words. To him because it looks atypical it must have been manufactured.

It appears science does not necessarily equate to rational thought.

What’s not rational about it? He’s saying that it can be ruled out as a possibility, not that he thinks it’s probably aliens or anything like that.
 
Going on their estimates, ''according to their model, approximately two objects from outside the solar system pass through Mercury’s orbit annually, and some of those objects crash into the sun at a rate of about one every 30 years'' it seems that interstellar space is teeming with objects that were ejected from their own solar systems.
 
Going on their estimates, ''according to their model, approximately two objects from outside the solar system pass through Mercury’s orbit annually, and some of those objects crash into the sun at a rate of about one every 30 years'' it seems that interstellar space is teeming with objects that were ejected from their own solar systems.
two objects of what size? same or larger than this thing?
In any case, highly elongated shape is rather unusual.
 
Going on their estimates, ''according to their model, approximately two objects from outside the solar system pass through Mercury’s orbit annually, and some of those objects crash into the sun at a rate of about one every 30 years'' it seems that interstellar space is teeming with objects that were ejected from their own solar systems.

A cosmic trash collector.
 
Going on their estimates, ''according to their model, approximately two objects from outside the solar system pass through Mercury’s orbit annually, and some of those objects crash into the sun at a rate of about one every 30 years'' it seems that interstellar space is teeming with objects that were ejected from their own solar systems.
two objects of what size? same or larger than this thing?
In any case, highly elongated shape is rather unusual.

It doesn't matter what size object, or shape, if there are two interstellar objects on average passing through Mercury's orbit per year, that seems to be lot of objects given the sheer volume of interstellar space.
 
https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/har...-explanation-of-interstellar-object-1.4252951

I watched this guy today on a news segment. He claims a turd like object has a good chance of being a alien manufactured object, even a probe to 'spy on us', his words. To him because it looks atypical it must have been manufactured.

It appears science does not necessarily equate to rational thought.

What’s not rational about it? He’s saying that it can be ruled out as a possibility, not that he thinks it’s probably aliens or anything like that.

Interpreting a picture of a distant object that looks like a big space turd with a meaure of certainty as being a non natural object is irrational based on the evidence, IMO.

Ever read Clark's Rendezvous With Rama?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendezvous_with_Rama
 
Interpreting a picture of a distant object that looks like a big space turd with a meaure of certainty as being a non natural object is irrational based on the evidence, IMO.

Ever read Clark's Rendezvous With Rama?
That 'picture' wasn't actually a picture. It was an artist's interpretation of what it could look like judging from the light curve. Whatever it is, it wasn't spotted until it was well on it's way out of the solar system. The cigar shape was one interpretation. Another is that it could look more like a pancake and the latest I have seen is that it could be an agglomeration of small rocks and dust spread out that are the remains of a comet - sorta like the broken up Comet Shoemaker–Levy 9 that hit Jupiter a while back but with the parts much closer, gravitationally bound, and all the volatiles already long ago ejected.
 
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Going on their estimates, ''according to their model, approximately two objects from outside the solar system pass through Mercury’s orbit annually, and some of those objects crash into the sun at a rate of about one every 30 years'' it seems that interstellar space is teeming with objects that were ejected from their own solar systems.
two objects of what size? same or larger than this thing?
In any case, highly elongated shape is rather unusual.

It doesn't matter what size object, or shape, if there are two interstellar objects on average passing through Mercury's orbit per year, that seems to be lot of objects given the sheer volume of interstellar space.

1cm object is quite different from 500meter object - less visible and obviously more common.
 
It is circling us.

It must be very interested in us.

Just as the Moon is fascinated by human life.
 
Interpreting a picture of a distant object that looks like a big space turd with a meaure of certainty as being a non natural object is irrational based on the evidence, IMO.

Ever read Clark's Rendezvous With Rama?
That 'picture' wasn't actually a picture. It was an artist's interpretation of what it could look like judging from the light curve. Whatever it is, it wasn't spotted until it was well on it's way out of the solar system. The cigar shape was one interpretation. Another is that it could look more like a pancake and the latest I have seen is that it could be an agglomeration of small rocks and dust spread out that are the remains of a comet - sorta like the broken up Comet Shoemaker–Levy 9 that hit Jupiter a while back but with the parts much closer, gravitationally bound, and all the volatiles already long ago ejected.

It could be that planet eating weapon tate Kirk and crew shut down in the 60s.
 
From the introduction in the original paper:

On October 19, 2017, the first interstellar object in the Solar System, ‘Oumuamua (1I/2017 U1) was discovered by the PAN-STARRS1 survey. It has a highly hyperbolic trajectory (with eccentricity e = 1.1956±0.0006) and pre-entry velocity of v∞ ≈ 26 km s−1 (Meech et al. 2017). Based on the survey properties and the single detection, Do et al. (2018) estimated the interstellar density of objects like ‘Oumuamua or larger to be n ≈ 2 × 1015 pc−3, 2-8 orders of magnitude larger than expected by previous theoretical models (Moro-Martin et al.
2009). The large variations in its apparent magnitude and the non-trivial periodicity of the lightcurve, suggest that ‘Oumuamua is rotating in an excited spin state (tumbling motion), and has an extreme aspect ratio of at least 5 : 1 (Fraser et al. 2018; Drahus et al. 2018), an unprecedented value for previously known asteroids and comets in the Solar System. Belton et al. (2018) have shown that if ‘Oumuamua rotates in its highest rotational energy state, it should be extremely oblate (pancake-like).

Recently, Micheli et al. (2018) reported the detection of non-gravitational acceleration in the motion of ‘Oumuamua, at a statistical significance of 30σ. Their best-fit to the data is obtained for a model with a non-constant excess acceleration which scales with distance from the Sun, r, as ∆a ∝ r −2, but other power-law index values are also possible. They concluded that the observed acceleration is most likely the result of a cometary activity. Yet, despite its close Solar approach of r = 0.25 AU, ‘Oumuamua shows no signs of a any cometary activity, no cometary tail, nor gas emission/absorption lines were observed (Meech et al. 2017; Knight et al. 2017; Jewitt et al. 2017; Ye et al. 2017; Fitzsimmons et al. 2017). From a theoretical point of view, Rafikov (2018) has shown that if outgassing was responsible for the acceleration (as originally proposed by Micheli et al. 2018), then the associated outgassing torques would have driven a rapid evolution in ‘Oumuamua’s spin, incompatible with observations.

If not cometary activity, what can drive the nongravitational acceleration observed? In this Letter we explore the possibility of ‘Oumuamua being a thin object accelerated by Solar radiation pressure, which would naturally result in an excess acceleration ∆a ∝ r −2. 1 However, for radiation pressure to be effective, the mass-to-area ratio must be very small. In §2 we derive the required mass-to-area ratio and find (m/A) ≈ 0.1 g cm−2, corresponding to an effective thin sheet of thickness w ≈ 0.3−0.9 mm. We explore the ability of such an unusually thin object to survive interstellar travel, considering collisions with interstellar dust and gas (§3), as well as to withstand the tensile stresses caused by rotation and tidal forces (§4). Finally, in §5 we discuss the possible implications of the unusual requirements on the shape of ‘Oumuamua.'

And then a shit load of math I'll leave to others.
 
It is a thought experiment to determine the properties of the object if one assumed the anomalous acceleration were 100% photon pressure.
 
A couple of million years ago, a civilisation on a nearby star experimented with a tough but lightweight solar sail. After the end of its useful life, it was allowed to escape into interstellar space - much like our own Voyager probes.

It finally reached a star system with other intelligent life; But sadly, while they were (just) sufficiently advanced to detect it, they didn't have the ability to even confirm it's artificial origin, much less to capture it and listen to the laserdisc or look at the inscriptions.

Such is life when launching probes into the vast reaches of interstellar space.
 
A couple of million years ago, a civilisation on a nearby star experimented with a tough but lightweight solar sail. After the end of its useful life, it was allowed to escape into interstellar space - much like our own Voyager probes.

It finally reached a star system with other intelligent life; But sadly, while they were (just) sufficiently advanced to detect it, they didn't have the ability to even confirm it's artificial origin, much less to capture it and listen to the laserdisc or look at the inscriptions.

Such is life when launching probes into the vast reaches of interstellar space.

It's got the makings of the next good Star Trek movie.
 
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