Harvard Rescinds Admission To Conservative Kyle Kashuv Over Private Racist Remarks He Wrote At 16

[ZiprHead]

What would you think about someone who, just a little more than a year prior, said all orientals and far east asians are rice-niggers?

I notice this also isn't an answer to my question.

And rice niggers? Honestly? I wouldn't take them seriously and would laugh at them. This is the best you can come up with?

Your question is a set up for a straw man.

My question to you is far closer to the actual situation. From your response, can I take it you would welcome the person I described with open arms?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

What would you think about someone who, just a little more than a year prior, said all orientals and far east asians are rice-niggers?

I notice this also isn't an answer to my question.

And rice niggers? Honestly? I wouldn't take them seriously and would laugh at them. This is the best you can come up with?

Your question is a set up for a straw man.

You think you can read minds. You can't. But it is telling that you don't give a straight answer to a straight question. Politesse did on second try. How about you try it? Is there an age below which you would not forever hold somebody responsible for something they said at that age?

My question to you is far closer to the actual situation. From your response, can I take it you would welcome the person I described with open arms?

If not taking them seriously and laughing at them (what I said) equates to you with welcoming them with open arms, I question your English comprehension. Is it your second language?

 

[Keith&Co.]

I noticed you didn't answer my question. Is any age too young to hold what they said against them in college admissions? If so, what age?

If it is a question of image, which seems likely, then the real question is what age would the more vocal members of our society be willing to forgive?
Where CAN Harvard draw the line, confident that there will be no protests because the comments came from someone only ____ years old?

I don't think there is a line we can pick and feel like everyone will agree, sanity will prevail.

 

[ZiprHead]

Your question is a set up for a straw man.

You think you can read minds. You can't. But it is telling that you don't give a straight answer to a straight question. Politesse did on second try. How about you try it? Is there an age below which you would not forever hold somebody responsible for something they said at that age?

My question to you is far closer to the actual situation. From your response, can I take it you would welcome the person I described with open arms?

If not taking them seriously and laughing at them (what I said) equates to you with welcoming them with open arms, I question your English comprehension. Is it your second language?

Now who's dodging a question?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

See, Keith also gave a straight answer. And I tend to agree, but certainly there must be some age. I wonder how the public would react if somebody parotted something as a toddler and it came back to bite them 30 years later, etc.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

You think you can read minds. You can't. But it is telling that you don't give a straight answer to a straight question. Politesse did on second try. How about you try it? Is there an age below which you would not forever hold somebody responsible for something they said at that age?



If not taking them seriously and laughing at them (what I said) equates to you with welcoming them with open arms, I question your English comprehension. Is it your second language?

Now who's dodging a question?

That's not a dodge. The answer to your question was no. You can't take that from what I wrote.

 

[Keith&Co.]

See, Keith also have a straight answer. And I tend to agree, but certainly there must be some age. I wonder how the public would react if somebody parotted something as a toddler and it came back to bite them 30 years later, etc.

My sister would not absolve a toddler. Her fear is that he heard the term often enoughto pick it up, what else did he learn in that environment.

The longer i live in America, the more i choose to fail-paranoid.

 

[ZiprHead]

You think you can read minds. You can't. But it is telling that you don't give a straight answer to a straight question. Politesse did on second try. How about you try it? Is there an age below which you would not forever hold somebody responsible for something they said at that age?



If not taking them seriously and laughing at them (what I said) equates to you with welcoming them with open arms, I question your English comprehension. Is it your second language?

Now who's dodging a question?

That's not a dodge. The answer to your question was no. You can't take that from what I wrote.

So you are chiding Harvard for taking the exact same action you would take. Interesting.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

You have accused me of setting up a straw man and then conclude with a straw man. I didn't write that I agree or disagree with Harvard.

 

[ZiprHead]

You have accused me of setting up a straw man and then conclude with a straw man. I didn't write that I agree or disagree with Harvard.

Cry about it. We all see what you did.

 

[JohnG]

I note that I somehow made it through my own junior year of high school without advocating that anyone ought to, in Kashuv's words, "Kill all the fucking jews." or "fucking make a CSOG map of Douglas and practice"; if such a thing were lurking in my recent past, I would not be surprised if it cost me a college admission later, genuinely regretful though I might be. Upset, sure, but not surprised, and I would know it was hopeless to try and fight it. What's he gonna do, sue to gain entrance? They'd eat him alive as a student just as surely.

Part of becoming an adult in the post Millennial world is understanding that 1.) there's not much tolerance for overtly genocidal or pro-mass-shooting sympathies in the public sector these days 2.) the internet never forgets.

That about sums it up. I somehow scrambled through life not being a hateful racist troll at any point as well. Not to say I didn't do stupid things. If I'm applying for a job and they turn me away because of something terrible I posted online, what am I gonna do about it?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

See, Keith also gave a straight answer. And I tend to agree, but certainly there must be some age. I wonder how the public would react if somebody parotted something as a toddler and it came back to bite them 30 years later, etc.

But what's your age cutoff on being a bratty douchebag who isn't actually sorry for the things they say they're sorry for?

 

[RavenSky]

Isn't it interesting that conservatives only care about moral character when doing so serves the white power structure? Now, Harvard says they expect students to have moral character, and suddenly conservatives are like "no, no, this is exactly what is wrong in the country...caring about morals!" Haha, and at the same time they are legislating against abortion...and that's because it is again about power, not morality, that's the one thing in common.

Also, note the following that the poor conservative wrote:
"I have recently been made aware of screenshots circulating that include offensive comments former classmates and I made a few years ago..."

yet he called it private. It wasn't a private diary but an exchange. Someone, one of his classmates within the non-private discussion was offended by his immoral racist language and so sent it off to Harvard. Either that, or it wasn't private and someone googled him and found it on the Internet. So, let's give the guy a break and say he was privately being racist with people in his Google document share and person(s) were offended by his racist comments.

Did he apologize? NOPE. He apologized to HARVARD. AFTER he was caught. Then, when they didn't accept his apology, he cried like a whiney brat because he wasn't really sorry in the first place.

Perfectly conservative. Republican politician material.

^^^ That

 

[RavenSky]

Trump supporters are now boycotting Harvard. Luckily no students will be affected.

Nor will Harvard's fortunes

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Part of becoming an adult in the post Millennial world is understanding that 1.) there's not much tolerance for overtly genocidal or pro-mass-shooting sympathies in the public sector these days 2.) the internet never forgets.

He wasn't an adult when he said it.

But he was 16 so maybe that's plenty old enough. How young would you extend this? 14? 10? Is 7 too young? How about 5?

*ahem* *cough* *cough*

Did you forget that colleges get your high school transcript and so look at your academic excellence and behaviors as far back as freshmen year? That's 4 years back and not more. They have a cutoff.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

This is a joke by Kyle about mapping the high school onto a counter strike game to practice kill the jews at the school?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Here's more.

 

[Alcoholic Actuary]

Kashuv was already becoming well-known in political circles, and not the same ones Harvard caters to, rather as a darling of the NRA - realistically, his application was never going to survive the discovery of its acceptance by the news media. And he did, after all, do the things he is accused of. It is true that he was 16 when he did them, but it is also true that colleges have no other logical basis on which to choose a new 18 year old student than the things they did at 16 and 17. That's when he got his GPA and all of his qualifications, too. If he is outperformed by a student with similar qualifications and none of his mistakes, they have earned their spot, for whatever good it will do them.

Part of becoming an adult in the post Millennial world is understanding that 1.) there's not much tolerance for overtly genocidal or pro-mass-shooting sympathies in the public sector these days 2.) the internet never forgets.

I was willing to give this kid the benefit of the doubt - but these 2 excellent arguments changed my mind.

First - he was probably making these racist remarks around the same time he was applying to Harvard. We focus on the age 16 instead of the distance between the remarks and the recant. A 38 year-old running for office might be excused for being young and stupid at one time. This kid is still young (and stupid) and it isn't exactly Harvard's job to correct sociological problems.

Second - These guys grew up in this environment of 'putting oneself out there'. They should be way better at it than us (older folks). I doubt he was drunk posting at age 16 and had to know this was going to materialize - or if he didn't then he probably isn't as smart as he thinks he is.

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[Half-Life]

Kashuv was already becoming well-known in political circles, and not the same ones Harvard caters to, rather as a darling of the NRA - realistically, his application was never going to survive the discovery of its acceptance by the news media. And he did, after all, do the things he is accused of. It is true that he was 16 when he did them, but it is also true that colleges have no other logical basis on which to choose a new 18 year old student than the things they did at 16 and 17. That's when he got his GPA and all of his qualifications, too. If he is outperformed by a student with similar qualifications and none of his mistakes, they have earned their spot, for whatever good it will do them.

Part of becoming an adult in the post Millennial world is understanding that 1.) there's not much tolerance for overtly genocidal or pro-mass-shooting sympathies in the public sector these days 2.) the internet never forgets.

I was willing to give this kid the benefit of the doubt - but these 2 excellent arguments changed my mind.

First - he was probably making these racist remarks around the same time he was applying to Harvard. We focus on the age 16 instead of the distance between the remarks and the recant. A 38 year-old running for office might be excused for being young and stupid at one time. This kid is still young (and stupid) and it isn't exactly Harvard's job to correct sociological problems.

Second - These guys grew up in this environment of 'putting oneself out there'. They should be way better at it than us (older folks). I doubt he was drunk posting at age 16 and had to know this was going to materialize - or if he didn't then he probably isn't as smart as he thinks he is.

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He did say some racist stuff, no doubt about it. But, the point is that this shouldn't be held over his head forever. The same leftists who want to reform the prison system and give murderers and rapists second chances at society also condemn a 18 year old kid to be held ALWAYS ACCOUNTABLE for what he tweeted 2 years ago. Pretty sick thinking in my opinion.

Social media wasn't around many years ago, obviously. How many racist and awful things do you think past people said when there was internet to remember it forever? If he was just saying this stuff to his friends but not on twitter, he would be in Harvard and nobody would even know he ever said those things. But, because he put them on twitter, they want him held accountable forever. Why is something said on twitter worse than saying something to a friend at a backyard party?

 

[repoman]

So, what is edginess and male bonding (female bonding through being mean can also happen ala mean girls) by way of going To The Extreme with racism, sexism, sexual bragging, dunking on gays and so on versus to the bone cold blooded racism and the like?

What do teachers and school staff do now to inform students about not attempting to climb the social status ladder (of people who 10 years from now you won't care about at all) through this toxic stuff?

Was he not attempting to get some form of approval from his classmates? Did not work out to well, did it?