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Hawaii just became the first US state to pass a bill supporting basic income

Who will make the pizza and beer.

The same sorts of people that are doing it now.

But why would they?

To get paid. Universal income doesn't negate the value of making money. The Ontario UBI pilot used $17,000 per year as the baseline, I believe. Full time minimum wage hours at the time would have netted about $5k more per year (a little over $400 more per month). Not everyone hates these jobs if they aren't treated like shit. Lots of people like making more money over making less money.
 
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Alaska has had a similar program for many, many years. Although far less money. last year a family of four would have gotten over 6,400 dollars.

 Alaska Permanent Fund
 
But why would they?

To get paid. Universal income doesn't negate the value of making money. The Ontario UBI pilot used $17,000 per year as the baseline, I believe. Full time minimum wage hours at the time would have netted about $5k more per year (a little over $400 more per month). Not everyone hates these jobs if they aren't treated like shit. Lots of people like making more money over making less money.

Work 40 hr/wk for an additional $5k? $2.50/hr. I don't think most people would choose that route.
 
But why would they?

To get paid. Universal income doesn't negate the value of making money. The Ontario UBI pilot used $17,000 per year as the baseline, I believe. Full time minimum wage hours at the time would have netted about $5k more per year (a little over $400 more per month). Not everyone hates these jobs if they aren't treated like shit. Lots of people like making more money over making less money.

Work 40 hr/wk for an additional $5k? $2.50/hr. I don't think most people would choose that route.
If my options are
1) i get a stipend and eat Cup O' Noodles all the time, and it takes six years to save up for a game console that will be obsolete in four
2) forty hour week, the occasional steak, new game in six months...

....just MIGHT take a menial job for a while.
 
But why would they?

To get paid. Universal income doesn't negate the value of making money. The Ontario UBI pilot used $17,000 per year as the baseline, I believe. Full time minimum wage hours at the time would have netted about $5k more per year (a little over $400 more per month). Not everyone hates these jobs if they aren't treated like shit. Lots of people like making more money over making less money.

Work 40 hr/wk for an additional $5k? $2.50/hr. I don't think most people would choose that route.

No, they obviously mean compared to just the UBI. In this situation, it would be UBI + waged_work.
 
But why would they?

To get paid. Universal income doesn't negate the value of making money. The Ontario UBI pilot used $17,000 per year as the baseline, I believe. Full time minimum wage hours at the time would have netted about $5k more per year (a little over $400 more per month). Not everyone hates these jobs if they aren't treated like shit. Lots of people like making more money over making less money.

Work 40 hr/wk for an additional $5k? $2.50/hr. I don't think most people would choose that route.

Yet you almost certainly know people who accepted a promotion at work that added no more to their income, and that implied a need to work more hours, or do more difficult work, or take on greater responsibility - or all three.

People, in general, are not lazy. They won't just sit around doing nothing, if they have any other options. Even if their basic needs are being met.

Shit, teenagers are reputed to be amongst the laziest cohort by age; Yet most of those living with their parents, with free food, shelter, and even many luxuries, still get menial jobs, so that they can purchase luxury items that their parents can't or won't afford on their behalf; and so that they can have the pride that comes from having earned something by their own efforts.

This absurd hypothesis, that if people's survival isn't threatened by a lack of employment, they won't work, is as logically and observably nonsensical as the hypothesis that if people lack belief in God, they will immediately become rapists, murderers, and thieves.

The vast majority of people are not the lazy scumbags you assume them to be.
 
But why would they?

To get paid. Universal income doesn't negate the value of making money. The Ontario UBI pilot used $17,000 per year as the baseline, I believe. Full time minimum wage hours at the time would have netted about $5k more per year (a little over $400 more per month). Not everyone hates these jobs if they aren't treated like shit. Lots of people like making more money over making less money.
He would have known that if he read any of the links. Just assume that LP isn't really asking these questions in good faith (or that he'll pay attention to the answers). It makes life easier.
 
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