Hello? Police? There are BLACK PEOPLE using our neighborhood pool!

[Underseer]

https://nypost.com/2018/07/06/white-man-loses-job-after-calling-police-on-black-family-at-pool/



In case you need reminding, calling the police in situations like this can get get people killed.

This guy obviously did not demand to see proof of residence from any other people at the pool, just the black family.

The good news is that this racist asshole lost his position on the homeowners association board and lost his job because the video of this incident went viral.

Special disclaimer for all conservatives, libertarians, and anyone else likely to use phrases like "social justice warrior" or "white genocide" or "race card":
I sincerely and personally apologize for implying that racism is a bad thing (or was I supposed to pretend this man isn't being racist? I get so confused about what I'm supposed to say). Obviously, I'm the real racist here for complaining about racism. Some day, you will tell your grandchildren of all the horrible things you had to endure, and their little eyes will well up with tears of admiration.
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[Derec]

The good news is that this racist asshole lost his position on the homeowners association board and lost his job because the video of this incident went viral.

So do you think it's ok for people to lose their jobs for things they do on their own time? I think there should be a separation of the professional and personal life.

As to asking for id, perhaps she was the only one he did not recognize. Why are people so quick to jump to racism as conclusion for whites but denying black racism exists even when explicit? And I doubt all the black supremacists are losing their jobs.

 

[Keith&Co.]

So do you think it's ok for people to lose their jobs for things they do on their own time? I think there should be a separation of the professional and personal life.

So, what you want is to deny a business owner the right to hire and fire as he pleases? He neds, what, some govt. Agency ti review the case before he can fire someone?

 

[laughing dog]

The good news is that this racist asshole lost his position on the homeowners association board and lost his job because the video of this incident went viral.

So do you think it's ok for people to lose their jobs for things they do on their own time? I think there should be a separation of the professional and personal life.

Then talk to Sunoco of South Carolina. Personally, I don't think he should have been fired, but I have very little sympathy for him based on the information in the article.

As to asking for id, perhaps she was the only one he did not recognize.

And the reasonable rationale for him to escalate the situation by calling the police was...?

Why are people so quick to jump to racism as conclusion for whites but denying black racism exists even when explicit? And I doubt all the black supremacists are losing their jobs.

Poor Derec - reduced to using tu quoque fallacy to whiteknight a social fucktard who looks like a bigot.

 

[fast]

In case you need reminding, calling the police in situations like this can get get people killed.

So can irresponsibly espousing racist profiling. If everyone remains calm, no one gets hurt, except on rare occasion.

Bloom’s lawyer told The Post that while he understands how Edwards and others could perceive his call to police on Wednesday as being racially motivated, it in no way was.

“It’s not unreasonable for there to be that perception,” Vermitsky said, noting the numerous alleged cases of racial profiling.

“But it’s dangerous when we paint with a broad brush and label that as being the motivation for all these things,” he added. “This poor guy is being crucified…for doing something he was appointed to do.”

Vermitsky said his client has been receiving nonstop phone calls from random people — and even death threats — because of the Fourth of July incident.

Although I would not have called the police, as I feel a more tactful solution could have led to a better outcome, I feel that contributing to making it taboo to do so has a greater harm for society than not. Just like we shouldn't throw a coniption fit toward an officer for when getting a ticket when the appropriate place for argumentation is the courtroom, people should feel free to call the police as outlined by law. If there's an aspect of the law that is disliked, work to have it changed, legally. Don't make racial accusations that will incite bloodshed.

 

[laughing dog]

Although I would not have called the police, as I feel a more tactful solution could have led to a better outcome, I feel that contributing to making it taboo to do so has a greater harm for society than not. Just like we shouldn't throw a coniption fit toward an officer for when getting a ticket when the appropriate place for argumentation is the courtroom, people should feel free to call the police as outlined by law. If there's an aspect of the law that is disliked, work to have it changed, legally. Don't make racial accusations that will incite bloodshed.

We agree, a more tactful outcome was possible, but this jackass choose poorly. This man was not appointed to waste the police's time and embarrass his community by calling the police on a woman and a child using a pool before he ascertained the facts.

He does not deserve death threats. And we will never know what was in his heart or head when he called the police. But my guess is that there is no record of him calling the police while asking anyone else for id (and, according to him, that happens on a weekly basis). So, it is not unreasonable for people to jump to the conclusion that race was a factor.

 

[fast]

Although I would not have called the police, as I feel a more tactful solution could have led to a better outcome, I feel that contributing to making it taboo to do so has a greater harm for society than not. Just like we shouldn't throw a coniption fit toward an officer for when getting a ticket when the appropriate place for argumentation is the courtroom, people should feel free to call the police as outlined by law. If there's an aspect of the law that is disliked, work to have it changed, legally. Don't make racial accusations that will incite bloodshed.

We agree, a more tactful outcome was possible, but this jackass choose poorly. This man was not appointed to waste the police's time and embarrass his community by calling the police on a woman and a child using a pool before he ascertained the facts.

He does not deserve death threats. And we will never know what was in his heart or head when he called the police. But my guess is that there is no record of him calling the police while asking anyone else for id (and, according to him, that happens on a weekly basis). So, it is not unreasonable for people to jump to the conclusion that race was a factor.

My point was not made clear. I'm not taking sides. Let's say she was in the wrong. I don't care. Let's say he is a racist. Again, not germane to my point. So, let's say she wasn't in the wrong and he's not a racist. Still, irrelevant to my point. Whose side we can or should come down on or stand up for all beside the point.

Things like you're saying is my point. "Not appointed to waste the police's time." "Embarrass his community by calling the police." Regarding it as escalating matters. That has more to do with my point. People should be free to stiff a waitress just as much as he should be free to call the police. You might not care if people stop eating out, but turning a blind eye should be neither encouraged nor discouraged. Let it remain neutral. Fault him with or without reason--temperament be as it may, but adding the issue of calling the police, an apparent growing fad these days, is detrimental not beneficial.

If you see something, and even if it's based on some deep seated hatred, discouraging the call by ridiculing the callers may have some short term positive effects, but the long term mindset will have a way of creeping into popular opinion. If I FEEL something is not right but cannot put my finger on it and all that the myopics of the world can see is skin color, fear of accusation will likely contribute to no call being made. The woulda coulda shoulda line is of no consequence to those weeping over caskets.

If you want to discourage racists from calling the police, just make sure those listening in don't get things mixed up along the way, or else all they'll remember is "if blacks are involved, don't call the police." Hasn't there been instances of police being derilic in their duty when they hear of black on black crime? There's reasons beyond racism.

We live in a world where anything can be mentally manipulated into being racist. If the motivation isn't there, then the consequence is. It's at every turn. Villifying the calling of police seems to me to be stepping over a line that can only bring even more reason to keep racism alive. We're told that racism is taught, but hell, who has to be taught at a young age when we can be taught by how this guy is being treated.

There's already policies in place that in some stores, you curb theft from whites by approach; if they're black, just let them take what they want, as the blowback from racial accusation has an increasing cost value --with real dollar signs that has a greater potential than is worth saving what could have been by stopping the theft in the first place.

I just think there's some consequential unknowns of creating an atmosphere where calling the police leads to self detrimental outcomes.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Although I would not have called the police, as I feel a more tactful solution could have led to a better outcome, I feel that contributing to making it taboo to do so has a greater harm for society than not. Just like we shouldn't throw a coniption fit toward an officer for when getting a ticket when the appropriate place for argumentation is the courtroom, people should feel free to call the police as outlined by law. If there's an aspect of the law that is disliked, work to have it changed, legally. Don't make racial accusations that will incite bloodshed.

We agree, a more tactful outcome was possible, but this jackass choose poorly. This man was not appointed to waste the police's time and embarrass his community by calling the police on a woman and a child using a pool before he ascertained the facts.

He does not deserve death threats. And we will never know what was in his heart or head when he called the police. But my guess is that there is no record of him calling the police while asking anyone else for id (and, according to him, that happens on a weekly basis). So, it is not unreasonable for people to jump to the conclusion that race was a factor.

My point was not made clear. I'm not taking sides. Let's say she was in the wrong. I don't care. Let's say he is a racist. Again, not germane to my point. So, let's say she wasn't in the wrong and he's not a racist. Still, irrelevant to my point. Whose side we can or should come down on or stand up for all beside the point.

Agreed. All that matters is calling the police because of someone having access to the pool that you have failed in knowing they have access to the pool is unbelievably stupid and should open the person to ridicule. Talk about white privilege! Person in the pool area in your uber-fancy area you don't think belongs... just call the police.

 

[fast]

My point was not made clear. I'm not taking sides. Let's say she was in the wrong. I don't care. Let's say he is a racist. Again, not germane to my point. So, let's say she wasn't in the wrong and he's not a racist. Still, irrelevant to my point. Whose side we can or should come down on or stand up for all beside the point.

Agreed. All that matters is calling the police because of someone having access to the pool that you have failed in knowing they have access to the pool is unbelievably stupid and should open the person to ridicule. Talk about white privilege! Person in the pool area in your uber-fancy area you don't think belongs... just call the police.

Do you really want to send mixed messages? We are not just stupid. As you say, we're unbelievably stupid, so what's registering (do you think) in my mind exactly? The message has always been "don't take the law into your own hands. Call the police." Don't take the law into your own hands. Call the police. This really (truly) bears repeating. What do you think has been committed to muscle memory? Don't take the law into your own hands. Call the police.

And now we have you coming along saying, don't call the police. You're stupid if you call the police. Have you that short a memory? Recall, not just stupid. You seem to have some wild and crazy thought running through your head that there's a third option--yet how you think that's supposed to register, I have no idea.

Maybe we should start sending the "calling the police is stupid" message to young poor people --the kind that hasn't been privileged to have been born to non-lazy working parents. I'll take stupid people calling the police any day over your "you're stupid for calling the police" message, but then hey, no skin off my back. As some of you may know, I never call.

ETA oh, and it's not lost on me that you're not exactly saying to never call, but gee, that's like really complicated, especially for stupid people.

 

[Jayjay]

https://nypost.com/2018/07/06/white-man-loses-job-after-calling-police-on-black-family-at-pool/

What's that contraption in his hands?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

My point was not made clear. I'm not taking sides. Let's say she was in the wrong. I don't care. Let's say he is a racist. Again, not germane to my point. So, let's say she wasn't in the wrong and he's not a racist. Still, irrelevant to my point. Whose side we can or should come down on or stand up for all beside the point.

Agreed. All that matters is calling the police because of someone having access to the pool that you have failed in knowing they have access to the pool is unbelievably stupid and should open the person to ridicule. Talk about white privilege! Person in the pool area in your uber-fancy area you don't think belongs... just call the police.

Do you really want to send mixed messages? We are not just stupid. As you say, we're unbelievably stupid, so what's registering (do you think) in my mind exactly? The message has always been "don't take the law into your own hands. Call the police." Don't take the law into your own hands. Call the police. This really (truly) bears repeating. What do you think has been committed to muscle memory? Don't take the law into your own hands. Call the police.

What laws are we talking about? This was a dispute over access to a pool.

Maybe we should start sending the "calling the police is stupid" message to young poor people --the kind that hasn't been privileged to have been born to non-lazy working parents. I'll take stupid people calling the police any day over your "you're stupid for calling the police" message, but then hey, no skin off my back. As some of you may know, I never call.

ETA oh, and it's not lost on me that you're not exactly saying to never call, but gee, that's like really complicated, especially for stupid people.

Clearly it is. Some committing a crime... don't get involved, call the police. Person at a pool they might not have a right to be swimming at, try to figure it out yourself. One would really need to be stupid to not be able to handle the differences between those two situations. Someone else would need to be really disingenuous about their actual position to make this the issue they see in this situation.

 

[Jayjay]

Getting fired from his job for being an ass on his personal time seems a bit excessive, but then again, I don't know what his job was so maybe it was something that would harm his job performance. Like, if he was a salesman at a local store, it could hurt the business if customers went "hey aren't you that racist pool guy?"

I kinda see his point of view as well. How are you going to verify that only residents and their guests use the pool, and if it's guests then they must be accompanied by a resident? They aren't going to carry ids in their swimming trunks, and just having the keycard doesn't really prove that you're a resident. The best way in that case is to have a "pool cop" who knows his neighbours and has good enough manners. A lot could have been avoided if he had simply been a bit more polite.

And of course, not call the actual cops for something so trivial.

 

[laughing dog]

Things like you're saying is my point. "Not appointed to waste the police's time." "Embarrass his community by calling the police." Regarding it as escalating matters. That has more to do with my point. People should be free to stiff a waitress just as much as he should be free to call the police. You might not care if people stop eating out, but turning a blind eye should be neither encouraged nor discouraged. Let it remain neutral. Fault him with or without reason--temperament be as it may, but adding the issue of calling the police, an apparent growing fad these days, is detrimental not beneficial.

Are you saying that noting that calling the police escalated the situation and wasted the time of the police is not beneficial? I don't see how, if both observations are true. Are you saying they are not true? Or are you saying it is ok to needlessly escalate a situation by calling the police and waste the time of the police?

 

[bilby]

https://nypost.com/2018/07/06/white-man-loses-job-after-calling-police-on-black-family-at-pool/

What's that contraption in his hands?

It's a lawn sprinkler.

 

[fast]

I'm from South Carolina. There are a lot of black people here, and I'm proficient at interacting with them quite well, but that comes with experience. They are mostly southern blacks, and I do quite well. Northern blacks are more of a challenge, but that's simply because I've dealt with them in smaller numbers. There are many differences between whites and blacks that go far beyond skin color. There are differences in predisposition. They are so profound that grade school should go more indepth in explaining the relevance of cultural appreciation within national borders.

Take a white person who's all into the idea that skin color is the only difference. Remove them from their mostly white only neighborhoods and abandon them in a highly populated black community. They will learn quick-like that peacefully navigating amongst them is akin to fitting in in a foreign land. The lingo. The interaction. The attitudes. Likes and dislikes. Trust issues. Expectations!! You can see it for yourself. With your own eyes. Look at who is running around the restaurant bothering other patrons on COUPON DAY. To use underseer's motto, Guess!

I'm not passing judgment in isolation. I'm white, and damn, some of us are just as different from them as they are from us. While blacks are looking for a reason to throw a race card in the mix of possible explanations, whites are looking for a reason for buying more .50 caliber armor piercing cartidges. Yes, the south has some rednecks--lord have mercy.

When you can deal with people regardless of ethnicity, that's great. If there's a potential for an adversarial relationship, you may still have what it takes. But, if you're white, and everyone else is white, and you approach the only black person (with a child), you damn well better have a lot more going for you than politeness. Me, well, im fucking awesome. My entire approach will be fully accepted, but I have a knack for interpersonal skills. I don't do drugs, but give me 15 minutes and you'll think I'm the go-to guy--and be the only white in a black only bar. I know how to get down. Street wise as fuck.

These uppity white people dont know how to interact with the common folk. Me, well, I can walk out of a war zone and into ballroom dance, leave and have a fish fry with a group of whites carrying 17 weapons a piece, talk a black person into not knocking over a convenience store and still sip wine with the rich. But then again, I'm all that and then some--a lot more actually.

Some people just don't know how to approach black people. They can't just walk up to them as if they're white. You can actually have racial motivations for doing so and still suppress that, much like a judge can free his judgment in a case from personal bigotry. When a racist cop approaches a black person, the black person is actually advantaged by the fact the cop is self aware and takes great care not to allow race factor in. This pool guy (let's assume for a moment he is racist) but also assume he doesn't truly want to cause a racial stink. What's he to do? Be polite? From what I gathered, it started off that way. The ending, not so well.

What you propose is tantamount to just walking away, but he chose to engage. That shit didn't turn out so hot, and then he did the one thing he should of done; with the inability to caress his way into her good graces, he chose the course of action that in days past would have kept him out the hot seat. You call that escalating the situation. Somehow, calling the very people you're supposed to call when a potential conflict is about to ensue is escalation. Well, kiss my grits, at least it's an escalation of the non violent variety. But, that doesn't matter to you since doing so was just a waste of time. Never mind his duty. Never mind his predicament.

Maybe when the child is about to drown, he should set up an appointment with his attorney to discuss the pros and cons of calling 911.

It doesn't matter if it's a waste of time. It's better to be safe than sorry. Sometimes, when you're dealing with a race card wielding thug, it's better to just back off and let authorities handle it, just like you should let the courts handle a cop that wrongly writes you a ticket.

 

[whollygoats]

Canvassing while black.

 

[Juma]

My point was not made clear. I'm not taking sides. Let's say she was in the wrong. I don't care. Let's say he is a racist. Again, not germane to my point. So, let's say she wasn't in the wrong and he's not a racist. Still, irrelevant to my point. Whose side we can or should come down on or stand up for all beside the point.

Agreed. All that matters is calling the police because of someone having access to the pool that you have failed in knowing they have access to the pool is unbelievably stupid and should open the person to ridicule. Talk about white privilege! Person in the pool area in your uber-fancy area you don't think belongs... just call the police.

Do you really want to send mixed messages? We are not just stupid. As you say, we're unbelievably stupid, so what's registering (do you think) in my mind exactly? The message has always been "don't take the law into your own hands. Call the police." Don't take the law into your own hands. Call the police. This really (truly) bears repeating. What do you think has been committed to muscle memory? Don't take the law into your own hands. Call the police.

And now we have you coming along saying, don't call the police. You're stupid if you call the police. Have you that short a memory? Recall, not just stupid. You seem to have some wild and crazy thought running through your head that there's a third option--yet how you think that's supposed to register, I have no idea.

Maybe we should start sending the "calling the police is stupid" message to young poor people --the kind that hasn't been privileged to have been born to non-lazy working parents. I'll take stupid people calling the police any day over your "you're stupid for calling the police" message, but then hey, no skin off my back. As some of you may know, I never call.

ETA oh, and it's not lost on me that you're not exactly saying to never call, but gee, that's like really complicated, especially for stupid people.

This not difficult: dont call the police on someone if you are not sure they really done something illegal.
But the really telling in thus video is that he doesnt say he’s sorry. That he doesnt avknowledge that he fucked up. and most important : that the police didnt treat him as the wrongdoer... they should have been much clearer on his responsibility.

 

[Axulus]

The normal procedure here is to go up to the woman, introduce yourself, and ask where she lives. Maybe make a comment that nonresidents are not allowed in the pool and you hadn't seen her before, and just wanted to make sure she was a resident. Not make a complete ASS of yourself by calling the cops. The guy is a complete dick.

 

[fast]

Canvassing while black.

Yeah, I saw the thread and read the article multiple times. Another good reason to not call the police. There was cause for suspicion, and had something happened, we could of all sent our condolences. This is not difficult, I hear.

 

[fast]

The normal procedure here is to go up to the woman, introduce yourself, and ask where she lives. Maybe make a comment that nonresidents are not allowed in the pool and you hadn't seen her before, and just wanted to make sure she was a resident. Not make a complete ASS of yourself by calling the cops. The guy is a complete dick.

Is the operative word, "here?" Try that shit in the south and even the white folk will be apart of her possey that shows up at 3 in the morning. Whites and blacks get along pretty well where I'm at. Some racial tension but we still look out for one another.

I'm like, serious. You might get away such bullshit white talk near a college campus, but man, you seem to have a very idealized sense of reaction. You walk up on a sister and fire away like that and yeah, not good.