Hezbollah’s Exploding Electronics

[Derec]

The NYT is calling it an "intense escalation" of the conflict, as though Israel hasn't been engaged in a much more expansive and violent invasion of a neighboring country's territory,

Israel has been brutally attacked not only by Gaza, but also from Lebanon, Yemen and directly from Iran. They are defending themselves, and yet you think they are wrong to do that.

suspiciously resembling those very lands they had previously colonized, for more than a week now.

Hezbollah has been attacking Israel since 10/8/2023. You did not think that was an escalation, and yet you think Israel striking back at Hezbollah is.

But no, Iran lobbing a few hundred missiles, that's what we should see as instigation.

It is a major escalation as it is an attack against Israel from Iranian territory rather than by one of ayatollahs' puppets like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis.

Sending ground troops to invade another country that you have a decades long history of invading and occupying is just self-defense.

Again, Hezbollah has been attacking Israel for almost a year now. You seem to have no problem with that, only with Israeli response to this ongoing aggression.
Note that had Lebanon and the UN actually implemented and enforced UN Resolution 1701 (which mandates that Hezbollah withdraw north of the Litani river) none of this would have been necessary.

 

[Politesse]

Hezbollah has been attacking Israel since 10/8/2023. You did not think that was an escalation, and yet you think Israel striking back at Hezbollah is.

Incorrect. Hezbollah has been attacking Israel more or less continuously, if sporadically, since 1982. It was formed to do exactly that.

You seem to have no problem with that, only with Israeli response to this ongoing aggression.

Also incorrect.

 

[Derec]

Incorrect. Hezbollah has been attacking Israel more or less continuously, if sporadically, since 1982. It was formed to do exactly that.

Off and on, yes. They have escalated their attacks since Gaza attacked Israel.
You also failed to mentioned that it was formed by the Tehran regime. They are complicit in all this, which is why it was wrong for Obama to appease them and give them sanction relief in 2015.

Also incorrect.

When have you ever condemned them? Or approved of Israel defending itself from Islamist aggression?

 

[Derec]

Hezbollah barely exists as of right now. Foreign powers are fighting a proxy war over what used to be Lebanon.

Their leadership has been largely wiped out. But they still have a lot of rank and file fighters, and still have a lot of missiles sent to them by the ayatollahs.

 

[Derec]

Hezbollah, the gang that could not shoot straight.
IDF: Missile from Lebanon lands in West Bank, sparking fire, causing power outages; none hurt

They missed the whole State of Israel. Oy vey! That's what happens when all of their competent missile techs get sent to the ER or straight to jahannam with Nasrallah.

Hamas routinely has rockets fall into Gaza.

Yes, a significant portion.
But Hezbollah is supposed to have better kit than Hamas. However, many of their more skilled missile techs have probably been injured or killed over the last 2 weeks.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Hezbollah has been attacking Israel since 10/8/2023. You did not think that was an escalation, and yet you think Israel striking back at Hezbollah is.

Incorrect. Hezbollah has been attacking Israel more or less continuously, if sporadically, since 1982. It was formed to do exactly that.

You seem to have no problem with that, only with Israeli response to this ongoing aggression.

Also incorrect.

You could be right. But I’d like to see a link that Hezbollahs have been continuously attacking Israel since 1982. Seems to me that the Hezbos dramatically increased their attacks since 10.8.23. And they are surprised that Israel is hitting back?

 

[TomC]

Incorrect. Hezbollah has been attacking Israel more or less continuously, if sporadically, since 1982. It was formed to do exactly that.

How is it incorrect?
Has Hezbollah been attacking Israel since last October 7 or not?

The fact that Islamic terrorists, including Hezbollah, have been attacking Israel for decades doesn't change the fact that Hezbollah has been attacking Israel since last October.
Tom

 

[Politesse]

Incorrect. Hezbollah has been attacking Israel more or less continuously, if sporadically, since 1982. It was formed to do exactly that.

How is it incorrect?
Has Hezbollah been attacking Israel since last October 7 or not?

The fact that Islamic terrorists, including Hezbollah, have been attacking Israel for decades doesn't change the fact that Hezbollah has been attacking Israel since last October.
Tom

I concede your point.

 

[Politesse]

Hezbollah has been attacking Israel since 10/8/2023. You did not think that was an escalation, and yet you think Israel striking back at Hezbollah is.

Incorrect. Hezbollah has been attacking Israel more or less continuously, if sporadically, since 1982. It was formed to do exactly that.

You seem to have no problem with that, only with Israeli response to this ongoing aggression.

Also incorrect.

You could be right. But I’d like to see a link that Hezbollahs have been continuously attacking Israel since 1982. Seems to me that the Hezbos dramatically increased their attacks since 10.8.23. And they are surprised that Israel is hitting back?

It is what they were formed to do, and there have been periodic outbreaks of violence since that time. The most intense fighting occurred between 1982-3, 1984, 1990, 1993, 1997-2000, 2006, 2010, 2023, and the present conflict. There have been many periods of time during that span when peace was hoped for, but the engine of that peace was always to be negotiation between Israel and Lebanon. Not between Israel and Hezbollah, which is a terrorist organization dedicated fundamentally to the destruction of Israel and the purging of Sunni Muslims from Lebanon and Syria. They have never answered to the authority of, and have seldom fully acknowledged, either of the involved countries, though they have built a pseudo-state within Lebanon's borders and are heavily involved in its parliament. They arose in a time of civil war and have never been, nor ever claimed to be, an instrument of peace. They are despicable, and have brought tremendous suffering on the Lebanese people through their actions.

As for being surprised at Israel's response, of course not. Precipitating an apocalyptic war between Islam and the West has always bern their goal. In this, they and Netanyahu's government are in complete accord, and they were both waiting for a pretext for re-opening the war with international support. For Israel, an excuse to regain the territories they lost in 2000. For Hezbollah, martyrdom, death, and an eternity in Paradise.

 

[Elixir]

Precipitating an apocalyptic war between Islam and the West has always bern their goal. In this, they and Netanyahu's government are in complete accord, and they were both waiting for a pretext for re-opening the war with international support.

Yes. Partners in crime they are.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The Arab nations and Iran are the key to peace in Palestine and Lebanon. One can pretend Israel has much of a say, but over the last 80 or so years, we see that it is Iran and the Arab nations. Israel can only react (and potentially play a bit nicer locally), but reaction is the best Israel has. The source of peace is generally outside of their limits of control. Their leadership can choose to make things harder though. President Obama tried to start rolling the ball with Iran via a multi-prong path of diplomacy and insurgency (Stuxnet), but Trump did a marvelous job of fucking that up. If we don't get the locals (and the not remotely local) to the table, this doesn't end. It just continues.

Sorry, but that's a case of The Felon being a stopped clock. Iran wasn't honoring the agreement.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

suspiciously resembling those very lands they had previously colonized, for more than a week now.

Hezbollah has been attacking Israel since 10/8/2023. You did not think that was an escalation, and yet you think Israel striking back at Hezbollah is.

But terrorists shoot at Israel isn't news because it so routine. So people think the Israeli response is out of the blue.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The Arab nations and Iran are the key to peace in Palestine and Lebanon. One can pretend Israel has much of a say, but over the last 80 or so years, we see that it is Iran and the Arab nations. Israel can only react (and potentially play a bit nicer locally), but reaction is the best Israel has. The source of peace is generally outside of their limits of control. Their leadership can choose to make things harder though. President Obama tried to start rolling the ball with Iran via a multi-prong path of diplomacy and insurgency (Stuxnet), but Trump did a marvelous job of fucking that up. If we don't get the locals (and the not remotely local) to the table, this doesn't end. It just continues.

Sorry, but that's a case of The Felon being a stopped clock. Iran wasn't honoring the agreement.

I'm always impressed with the high quality classified intel you not only have, but share with us.

 

[BH]

I follow a blog by Dr. Morris Berman online. Dr. Berman is himself Jewish ethnically and loathes what Israel is doing and has done to the Palestinians. I have not read Zionist literature myself but he has read quite a lot and commented about it on his blog. Dr. Berman has stated the Zionist plan has always been to take the land away and give it to Jews. This was the plan even before Israel was independent of Britain.

In my opinion the Israelites are pretty much just going to do to the Palestinians like the USA did to its Indians. Either kill them all off or put them on small reservations. Nothing is going to be done.

I have also read that part of the Palestinians problem is that their political ideas have become so violent and reactionary no other Muslim country will take them in. I've read Jordan tried to take some back in the 60s and the thanks it got was the Palestinians immigrants tried to overthrow the government.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Hezbollah has been attacking Israel since 10/8/2023. You did not think that was an escalation, and yet you think Israel striking back at Hezbollah is.

Incorrect. Hezbollah has been attacking Israel more or less continuously, if sporadically, since 1982. It was formed to do exactly that.

You seem to have no problem with that, only with Israeli response to this ongoing aggression.

Also incorrect.

And the fact that the were attacking before 10/8 doesn't say they haven't been attacking since 10/8.

Hezbollah was formed to attack Israel. Why do you think it's wrong for Israel to shoot back?

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Hezbollah has been attacking Israel since 10/8/2023. You did not think that was an escalation, and yet you think Israel striking back at Hezbollah is.

Incorrect. Hezbollah has been attacking Israel more or less continuously, if sporadically, since 1982. It was formed to do exactly that.

You seem to have no problem with that, only with Israeli response to this ongoing aggression.

Also incorrect.

One of the countless examples of conservatives being the main source of needless bickering on this forum.

 

[Gospel]

And liberals.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

And liberals.

Depending on what you mean by liberal.

 

[Gospel]

We all understand that Hezbollah is not a group handing out lollipops and spreading joy. Therefore, it would be helpful to move past requesting personal condemnations. It doesn't move the needle in favor of your argument. Not at all.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And liberals.

Are not!