Hillary's Announcement Video

[Jimmy Higgins]

Please. The claim was not that she has some qualifications...

Actually your original claim was mocking that being First Lady was a qualification, ignoring her other stately experience outright.

...but that she is the most qualified candidate in recent history and possibly ever.

George HW Bush is the most qualified candidate ever.

So while being a one term senator is not nothing, most candidates have more extensive experience in elective office than her. Besides, the only reason she was elected was that she was married to Bill and that she carpetbagged a safe seat.

If it were that simple, you'd expect lots of First Ladies being in the Senate.

Secretary of State means nothing.

Not as much as you'd think.

You misspelled "I".

While SecState was a good stepping stone toward the presidency in the early days of the Republic (Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Quincy Adams, Van Buren, or five out of first eight), it has become more of a terminal political position in more recent history - no SecState was elected president since Buchanan in 1856.

You don't seem to be getting the point. I didn't say that it was an automatic stepping stone. I said it was Stately experience relevant for the job.

Experience as governor is valued more in a presidential candidate than senatorial experience.

That is more because Senators have a voting record which can easily be taken out of context.

Take Reagan as an example - he served three terms as governor of the most populous US state. He was president of SAG, his professional organization (would be equivalent as a lawyer serving as president of the Bar). He attained the rank of captain in the military. Now, think what you will of Reagan's politics, but that certainly is a better list of qualifications than Hillary's resume.

Reagan was a puppet who could act.

Being top of her class in Yale and a lawyer at the top law firm in Arkansas (yeah, I know, but still it is a state) means nothing.

Lawyers turned politicians are a dime a dozen.

Like I said, everything she has ever done... handwave, she is the most inexperienced person to run for President since Lyndon Larouche.

 

[dismal]

Of course she's qualified. She's old, white, rich and achieved most of what she has through family connections.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Of course she's qualified. She's old, white, rich and achieved most of what she has through family connections.

Running out of bait?

 

[dismal]

Of course she's qualified. She's old, white, rich and achieved most of what she has through family connections.

Running out of bait?

Well, there's still her cheerleading for the Iraq war.

And surviving that helicopter landing under sniper fire.

She's just the sort of Patriot we need in the Whitehouse.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, there's still her cheerleading for the Iraq war.

Well, to be fair, she is a warmongering psychopath who puts her own poltical well-being ahead of the lives of the soldiers she claims to support. It's simply her nature. Blaming her for it is the same as blaming a blind person for not being able to see where he's going. Stop being so bigotted against blind people

And surviving that helicopter landing under sniper fire.

It was a war zone. It's fairly likely that there was at least one sniper within a hundred miles of her position who may have been accidentally pointing his rifle in the vague direction of her helicopter and might have gotten off a lucky shot. The woman is a hero for facing that and deserves our respect.

She's just the sort of Patriot we need in the Whitehouse.

I actually wanted Brady, but that just hands all the electoral votes from New York to the Republicans.

 

[Earl IV]

As soon as the GOP offers something other than whack-a-loons (be it religious, economic, climate or foreign policy related) we can discuss options better than Hillary.

Until then, I'm going for the "D" on election day (and I'm pretty sure she's swinging some serious meat under that skirt)

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Running out of bait?

Well, there's still her cheerleading for the Iraq war.

And surviving that helicopter landing under sniper fire.

She's just the sort of Patriot we need in the Whitehouse.

Maybe you should sign up as a supporter and do some volunteering for her then.

 

[ZiprHead]

By the standards displayed here by the right-wingers, Joe Biden is obviously the most qualified. (R-W's heads explode in 3... 2...)

 

[dismal]

Well, there's still her cheerleading for the Iraq war.

And surviving that helicopter landing under sniper fire.

She's just the sort of Patriot we need in the Whitehouse.

Maybe you should sign up as a supporter and do some volunteering for her then.

I'm not the one who considers old rich cattle-profiteering Iraq-war-cheerleading white people who get where they are off family connections such a big plus.

I didn't even vote for Romney.

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By the standards displayed here by the right-wingers, Joe Biden is obviously the most qualified. (R-W's heads explode in 3... 2...)

Why? Because of the groping women or the plot to take down Venezuela?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Maybe you should sign up as a supporter and do some volunteering for her then.

I'm not the one who considers old rich cattle-profiteering Iraq-war-cheerleading white people who get where they are off family connections such a big plus.

Oh, you were being sarcastic. Got it. I thought you were just head over heels for Hillary.

I didn't even vote for Romney.

You have spammed TF, FRDB, IIDB about why you think voting is a waste and meaningless.

By the standards displayed here by the right-wingers, Joe Biden is obviously the most qualified. (R-W's heads explode in 3... 2...)

Why? Because of the groping women or the plot to take down Venezuela?

Long Senate career... therefore very qualified.

 

[Trausti]

By the standards displayed here by the right-wingers, Joe Biden is obviously the most qualified. (R-W's heads explode in 3... 2...)

If you're a natural born American citizen, at least 35 years old, you're qualified. I'm not sure that having had a long political career, or running for political office for the first time, makes a lick of difference. A fair argument can be made for either case. Do you want some partisan hack who has likely stabbed others in the back, and promised political favors, to get to a high level of political prominence? Or do you want someone unfamiliar with governmental procedure and negotiation? It'd be interesting if examples could be provided where having had significant prior political experience mattered in a presidency.

Clinton's past (in)experience isn't really a good reason not to vote for her. She's just an arrogant, self-important, horrible person. That should be enough.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

By the standards displayed here by the right-wingers, Joe Biden is obviously the most qualified. (R-W's heads explode in 3... 2...)

If you're a natural born American citizen, at least 35 years old, you're qualified.

Well, that's using qualified as a synonym for eligible as opposed to as a synonym for competent. It's a completely different discussion than the one being had.

I'm not sure that having had a long political career, or running for political office for the first time, makes a lick of difference. A fair argument can be made for either case. Do you want some partisan hack who has likely stabbed others in the back, and promised political favors, to get to a high level of political prominence? Or do you want someone unfamiliar with governmental procedure and negotiation? It'd be interesting if examples could be provided where having had significant prior political experience mattered in a presidency.

Despite all the drawbacks involved in having a long political career, I think that's preferable to having a n00b on the job. It's a complex position with a lot of diverse responsibilities and you want someone who understands as much about it as possible before they start.

Clinton's past (in)experience isn't really a good reason not to vote for her. She's just an arrogant, self-important, horrible person. That should be enough.

If that somehow distinguished her from any of the other people who are running it would be enough.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Clinton's past (in)experience isn't really a good reason not to vote for her. She's just an arrogant, self-important, horrible person. That should be enough.

If that somehow distinguished her from any of the other people who are running it would be enough.

Kerry wasn't good because he was a wimp. Now Hillary Clinton isn't good because she's too ruthless.

 

[dismal]

Despite all the drawbacks involved in having a long political career, I think that's preferable to having a n00b on the job.

And Democrats are so firmly committed to this principle they dumped her for Obama last time.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Despite all the drawbacks involved in having a long political career, I think that's preferable to having a n00b on the job.

And Democrats are so firmly committed to this principle they dumped her for Obama last time.

The next ten years are just going to be hell for you, aren't they?

 

[dismal]

And Democrats are so firmly committed to this principle they dumped her for Obama last time.

The next ten years are just going to be hell for you, aren't they?

Fortunately I am not the sort of person who waits around hoping the government will make my life better.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

The next ten years are just going to be hell for you, aren't they?

Fortunately I am not the sort of person who waits around hoping the government will make my life better.

Well, don't worry. Hillary's going to go ahead and make your life better anyways.

Even if you don't believe in her, she still believes in you.

 

[dismal]

Well, don't worry. Hillary's going to go ahead and make your life better anyways.

I do always enjoy a good clown show.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, don't worry. Hillary's going to go ahead and make your life better anyways.

I do always enjoy a good clown show.

Ya, me too. I don't know why everybody's always dissing clowns. They're quite funny.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

This talk of Hillary reminded me of an old post I made back when she was losing the Dem primary to Obama. I went to the archives to look it up and got a good chuckle out of reading it again. I'm posting it here in case anybody else wants a laugh. The context of the post was that one guy was saying that Hillary was showing character and spirit by not conceding and I responded that she was less like Leonides at Thermopylae than she was like a two year old who had her doll taken away and kept banging on the lid of her toy chest. Then I wondered what it would be like if she was like Leonidis at Thermopylae (I'd just gotten 300 on DVD).

Obama: Hillary, the primary is over. Lay down your weapons.
Hillary: Barak - come and get them!
Obama: No. I'm going to go fight John McCain now. Have a nice day.
Hillary: But I'm still in the contest! Come fight me first! I'm not admitting defeat!
Obama: Look, you're just kind of embarrassing yourself now. I've got a general election to plan for. I'll give you a call sometime, we'll do lunch.
Hillary: DON'T WALK AWAY FROM ME! I'M STILL IN THIS! I WANT TO BE PRESIDENT!!!! PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!!!!
Hillary: Bill!!! They're not letting me be President. Do something! Waaaah!! Sparta?

Bill: If you look at this complex formula here where we've taken any potentially positive data out of context and ignored anything that's not in our favour, you'll see that Hillary has won the popular vote.
Reporter: How can you think you've won the popular vote? Have you not seen the size of Obama's rallies? His crowds of supporters blot out the sun.
Bill: Then we will fight them in the shade.
Reporter: The shade? Is that some sort of dergatory racial comment about Obama being a black man?
Bill: What the hell are you talking about? How could you get that from what I said? You completely took my statement out of context to manufacture a false controversy.
Reporter (to another reporter): Wow. Did you see Bill Clinton start swearing and raving at me after he made those racist comments about Obama? I think the guy's going nuts.
Bill: Hillary ... you useless bitch. People used to respect me.