Hillary's Announcement Video

[Jimmy Higgins]

The next ten years are just going to be hell for you, aren't they?

Fortunately I am not the sort of person who waits around hoping the government will make my life better.

That's odd. I vote for people in Government that I hope will make the nation better and be placed on a sustainable, not what personally benefits me in the check book.

But I keep forgetting that all liberals are on welfare and live their lives off the Government teat. Granted, I actually do make my living off of the Government's teat, but through engineering contracts to help the infrastructure of the nation, from roads, big ass storage tunnels, to levees. *suck*

Well, don't worry. Hillary's going to go ahead and make your life better anyways.

I do always enjoy a good clown show.

Republicans put on one in '12 that'll be tough to beat. 9-9-9 tough.

 

[arkirk]

Hillary's annoucement..what a bunch of pap! Hillary is on her way with a bunch of counterfeit populist bullshit, just like her husband. Someone remarked that there's not much substance there. In a way, the substance IS THERE. It is clear in the matter of what her message lacks...a clear explanation and description of her past policies...warmongering, Walmarting, and oiling. People like Clinton are a discouragement for true progressives. They run the Democrat Party Machinery and subvert any party effort at needed reforms of government. As bad as she is, she remains the lesser of two evils, though we still don't know who the other evil will be yet. She is truly one politician not worth voting for.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Hillary's annoucement..what a bunch of pap! Hillary is on her way with a bunch of counterfeit populist bullshit, just like her husband. Someone remarked that there's not much substance there. In a way, the substance IS THERE. It is clear in the matter of what her message lacks...a clear explanation and description of her past policies...warmongering, Walmarting, and oiling. People like Clinton are a discouragement for true progressives. They run the Democrat Party Machinery and subvert any party effort at needed reforms of government. As bad as she is, she remains the lesser of two evils, though we still don't know who the other evil will be yet. She is truly one politician not worth voting for.

Yes, pretty much everybody who's not Hillary Clinton agrees that Hillary Clinton would be a pretty sad choice for President. The thing that is much sadder, however, is that two years from now she is going to be your President due to a lack of alternatives. The Democrats aren't going to mount a challenge to her beyond for the sake of show and the GOP will manage to nominate someone worse. Nobody's particularly happy about the prospect of a new President Clinton, but everyone kind of has to accept it.

 

[dismal]

This talk of Hillary reminded me of an old post I made back when she was losing the Dem primary to Obama. I went to the archives to look it up and got a good chuckle out of reading it again. I'm posting it here in case anybody else wants a laugh. The context of the post was that one guy was saying that Hillary was showing character and spirit by not conceding and I responded that she was less like Leonides at Thermopylae than she was like a two year old who had her doll taken away and kept banging on the lid of her toy chest. Then I wondered what it would be like if she was like Leonidis at Thermopylae (I'd just gotten 300 on DVD).

Obama: Hillary, the primary is over. Lay down your weapons.
Hillary: Barak - come and get them!
Obama: No. I'm going to go fight John McCain now. Have a nice day.
Hillary: But I'm still in the contest! Come fight me first! I'm not admitting defeat!
Obama: Look, you're just kind of embarrassing yourself now. I've got a general election to plan for. I'll give you a call sometime, we'll do lunch.
Hillary: DON'T WALK AWAY FROM ME! I'M STILL IN THIS! I WANT TO BE PRESIDENT!!!! PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!!!!
Hillary: Bill!!! They're not letting me be President. Do something! Waaaah!! Sparta?

Bill: If you look at this complex formula here where we've taken any potentially positive data out of context and ignored anything that's not in our favour, you'll see that Hillary has won the popular vote.
Reporter: How can you think you've won the popular vote? Have you not seen the size of Obama's rallies? His crowds of supporters blot out the sun.
Bill: Then we will fight them in the shade.
Reporter: The shade? Is that some sort of dergatory racial comment about Obama being a black man?
Bill: What the hell are you talking about? How could you get that from what I said? You completely took my statement out of context to manufacture a false controversy.
Reporter (to another reporter): Wow. Did you see Bill Clinton start swearing and raving at me after he made those racist comments about Obama? I think the guy's going nuts.
Bill: Hillary ... you useless bitch. People used to respect me.

Yeah, I remember when everyone turned against Hillary there and Bill was a racist.

But the past is the past and it's time to let bygones be bygones.

We need to get an old rich white person who lives off family connections in the white house again and Kerry appears to have lost the ability to move his face and Gore is too busy making bank so they aren't options this time. If only there were a Rockefeller or Kennedy to stand up for the common man.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This talk of Hillary reminded me of an old post I made back when she was losing the Dem primary to Obama. I went to the archives to look it up and got a good chuckle out of reading it again. I'm posting it here in case anybody else wants a laugh. The context of the post was that one guy was saying that Hillary was showing character and spirit by not conceding and I responded that she was less like Leonides at Thermopylae than she was like a two year old who had her doll taken away and kept banging on the lid of her toy chest. Then I wondered what it would be like if she was like Leonidis at Thermopylae (I'd just gotten 300 on DVD).

Yeah, I remember when everyone turned against Hillary there and Bill was a racist.

But the past is the past and it's time to let bygones be bygones.

We need to get an old rich white person who lives off family connections in the white house again and Kerry appears to have lost the ability to move his face and Gore is too busy making bank so they aren't options this time. If only there were a Rockefeller or Kennedy to stand up for the common man.

You seem to be understanding why liberals aren't enamored with the Democrat Party.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Hillary's annoucement..what a bunch of pap! Hillary is on her way with a bunch of counterfeit populist bullshit, just like her husband. Someone remarked that there's not much substance there. In a way, the substance IS THERE. It is clear in the matter of what her message lacks...a clear explanation and description of her past policies...warmongering, Walmarting, and oiling. People like Clinton are a discouragement for true progressives. They run the Democrat Party Machinery and subvert any party effort at needed reforms of government. As bad as she is, she remains the lesser of two evils, though we still don't know who the other evil will be yet. She is truly one politician not worth voting for.

Yes, pretty much everybody who's not Hillary Clinton agrees that Hillary Clinton would be a pretty sad choice for President. The thing that is much sadder, however, is that two years from now she is going to be your President due to a lack of alternatives. The Democrats aren't going to mount a challenge to her beyond for the sake of show and the GOP will manage to nominate someone worse. Nobody's particularly happy about the prospect of a new President Clinton, but everyone kind of has to accept it.

I kinda thought the same thing about Gore.

If Bush Jr. can get elected.... so can the crazies the republicans are going to run now.

 

[Ford]

Yes, pretty much everybody who's not Hillary Clinton agrees that Hillary Clinton would be a pretty sad choice for President. The thing that is much sadder, however, is that two years from now she is going to be your President due to a lack of alternatives. The Democrats aren't going to mount a challenge to her beyond for the sake of show and the GOP will manage to nominate someone worse. Nobody's particularly happy about the prospect of a new President Clinton, but everyone kind of has to accept it.

I kinda thought the same thing about Gore.

If Bush Jr. can get elected.... so can the crazies the republicans are going to run now.

As I said elsewhere, this has the possibility of becoming Bush v Gore round 2, with Hillary filling the Al Gore role. It should be an easy victory considering the GOP candidates (both declared and potential) but apathy and complacency sunk Al Gore in what should have been an easy win for him. You've got the people who hate everything Hillary stands for and the people who figure she's a lock both teaming up to spell a close race or even a loss.

In order to stave off this possibility, the attitude of "nobody's really happy about Hillary but we've got to accept it" has to go. The Republicans - even the ones who hate their eventual nominee - will hold their noses and vote in droves because they know that weak support for Hillary will be their ticket into another Republican in the White House.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ford, it is April 2015, not April 2016.

 

[dismal]

Fortunately I am not the sort of person who waits around hoping the government will make my life better.

That's odd. I vote for people in Government that I hope will make the nation better and be placed on a sustainable, not what personally benefits me in the check book.

How's that been working out for you?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

That's odd. I vote for people in Government that I hope will make the nation better and be placed on a sustainable, not what personally benefits me in the check book.

How's that been working out for you?

Been working out great here. We get good government for a good price.

 

[Ford]

Ford, it is April 2015, not April 2016.

I know, Jimmy. A whole year left for Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders to swoop in on their unicorn and save the Democratic Party from itself.

 

[dismal]

How's that been working out for you?

Been working out great here. We get good government for a good price.

I thought you were coughing up money to pay for all the red states.

Not true in this thread?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ford, it is April 2015, not April 2016.

I know, Jimmy. A whole year left for Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders to swoop in on their unicorn and save the Democratic Party from itself.

Sanders and Warren won't be the main name on the ticket.

Been working out great here. We get good government for a good price.

I thought you were coughing up money to pay for all the red states.

Not true in this thread?

So are you just throwing out everything and hoping something will stick to the wall?

 

[dismal]

So are you just throwing out everything and hoping something will stick to the wall?

I am responding to the spaghetti others are throwing up.

I am actually sympathetic to the challenge you guys have trying to convince yourself Hillary's awesome when she represents everything you rail about all the time.

Plus, as I mentioned I love a good clown show.

 

[Ford]

I know, Jimmy. A whole year left for Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders to swoop in on their unicorn and save the Democratic Party from itself.

Sanders and Warren won't be the main name on the ticket.

Who will it be, then? Jim Webb? O'Malley?

If you think there's a reasonable possibility that it will be someone other than Clinton, make the case as to why it is possible.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So are you just throwing out everything and hoping something will stick to the wall?

I am responding to the spaghetti others are throwing up.

You are responding to responses being egg'd on by what you are throwing at the wall.

Plus, as I mentioned I love a good clown show.

Clinton is a shrewed person. She is still a bazillion times better than the fake radical Cruz, the Politician formerly known as a somewhat Libertarian, and Marco "I'm struggling to differentiate myself from Cruz and Paul" Rubio.

And I'd actually give Jeb Bush a thought if it weren't for the reality that the Republican Party is a partisan circle jerk party now, where people like Jeb Bush can't even be trusted.

Sanders and Warren won't be the main name on the ticket.

Who will it be, then? Jim Webb? O'Malley?

If you think there's a reasonable possibility that it will be someone other than Clinton, make the case as to why it is possible.

I think the name isn't in the Hopper yet. That's my answer. I'm sorry if you don't like that the person who'll be the nominee for the Democrats isn't known yet. I like Bush/Kasich for the Republicans. I think the Democrats have many more viable options than the Republicans, which is why it is easier to callout a winner for the Republicans so quickly.

 

[bilby]

Reagan was a puppet who could act.

I agree with Jimmy. Reagan was clearly the best qualified candidate for POTUS ever.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Been working out great here. We get good government for a good price.

I thought you were coughing up money to pay for all the red states.

Not true in this thread?

Well if the red states could get their shit together we'd be able to get that debt paid off.

 

[Derec]

In order to stave off this possibility, the attitude of "nobody's really happy about Hillary but we've got to accept it" has to go.

The only way that could possibly change would be by forging a Hillary 2.0 in the crucible of a vigorous primary campaign where there is a real possibility she would lose rather than the coronation we are shaping up to have. So far we have a Hillary 1.1, basically the 2008 model with some half-assed bugfixes (but more new ones surfaced than were fixed).
The Democratic establishment however, doesn't seem to be interested in anything but a Hillary coronation. Because she's the most qualified candidate ever, don't you know, mostly by virtue of her vagina.

 

[Derec]

If you're a natural born American citizen, at least 35 years old, you're qualified.

We are not talking about de jure qualifications. By that standard, any baptized male Catholic could be elected pope.

I'm not sure that having had a long political career, or running for political office for the first time, makes a lick of difference. A fair argument can be made for either case. Do you want some partisan hack who has likely stabbed others in the back, and promised political favors, to get to a high level of political prominence? Or do you want someone unfamiliar with governmental procedure and negotiation?

Whether you think political experience is important or not, the fact remains that Hillary fans claim she has a lot of it (compared to other candidates for office) when she really has rather little.

It'd be interesting if examples could be provided where having had significant prior political experience mattered in a presidency.

On the contrary, you'd be hard pressed finding presidents without significant prior political experience, at least in more recent history.