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How did Donald trump become a serious candidate for President?

 
 
 
Tristan Scott said:
RVonse said:
Actually the speaking fees are what upset me. The Clintons weren't wealthy until they came to Washington from Arkansas. Are you going to try and defend that too?
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Whats to defend? You were referring to corruption. People throw that word around a lot referring to politicians, and I suppose it is all in how you define what is corrupt. Some people may find that Trump's hair is corrupt, or that Bernie waiting 72 years to become a democrat so he can actually have a chance at the white house, or if Hillary parked in handicapped spaces. I suppose those can all be considered corrupt, but like so many other issues I wish Americans could take a more worldly view and realize that things aren't as awful here as they are being led to believe-sure they could be better: wages should be higher; everyone should have access to healthcare; wealth should be regulated, on and on, but when you travel to other countries you find that a vast majority of the people on this planet have real problems.

Most countries are faced with real corruption.
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Sorry but health care, wages, gun violence et all are REAL PROBLEMS. Just because someone in another country has other (even worse) problems does not minimize or alter the fact that this county has REAL problems and people are dying daily from them. Your comment seems to imply that I shouldn't grieve the loss of my father because my neighbor lost his father AND mother.
 
Let's be real, though. Who engages politicians in corruption in the US? It's primarily for-profit corporations, including bribery, campaign funding, and revolving doors. Since Donald Trump gave Hillary money, are we to conclude that Hillary is the corrupt one? No, they're both part of the machine.
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Yeah, but thats why the big money gives to whoever will take the money, most give to both of the major party candidates. It's their own form of game theory. The left has been pushing for reform for a long time, but too many want to keep it the way it is, and for not all "corrupt" reasons.

We have limits on contributions in place right now, you know this really is a first amendment issue. Then the real questions could be "are corporations individuals or not?" and "How many individuals representing a corporations interests do the limitations apply to?"
 
Playball40 said:
Tristan Scott said:
Whats to defend? You were referring to corruption. People throw that word around a lot referring to politicians, and I suppose it is all in how you define what is corrupt. Some people may find that Trump's hair is corrupt, or that Bernie waiting 72 years to become a democrat so he can actually have a chance at the white house, or if Hillary parked in handicapped spaces. I suppose those can all be considered corrupt, but like so many other issues I wish Americans could take a more worldly view and realize that things aren't as awful here as they are being led to believe-sure they could be better: wages should be higher; everyone should have access to healthcare; wealth should be regulated, on and on, but when you travel to other countries you find that a vast majority of the people on this planet have real problems.

Most countries are faced with real corruption.
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Sorry but health care, wages, gun violence et all are REAL PROBLEMS. Just because someone in another country has other (even worse) problems does not minimize or alter the fact that this county has REAL problems and people are dying daily from them. Your comment seems to imply that I shouldn't grieve the loss of my father because my neighbor lost his father AND mother.
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No, I think you missed my point. I believe things can be made better, much better in fact relative to some European countries, however relative to most of the world we have it pretty good.

I'm not advocating that we shouldn't strive to improve, but when I see so much anger over our country's problems it makes me realize that the anger itself is becoming an impediment to any progress. Sometimes, most times actually, compromises must be made in order to make progress, even if just a little. It's the way a republic is designed to function. Also, if you want big changes you have to start at the roots of the system. Thinking that if you elect this president or that president will bring you change, you would be mistaken. Change doesn't happen at the White House. Change happens at the Capitol.
 
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/tru...men-for-abortion-after-conservative-backlash/
In the space of just a few hours, Donald Trump has done a serious about-face after a serious controversy.

After Trump said in an interview with Chris Matthews on MSNBC that once abortion is outlawed, “there has to be some form of punishment” for a woman who gets one, his GOP rivals John Kasich and Ted Cruz disagreed. (Though neither of those two campaigns were able to explain exactly why not.)

“If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman,” Trump said in the statement. “The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb. My position has not changed — like Ronald Reagan, I am pro-life with exceptions.”

Well, this should add to Trump's problem with women voters in a general election.
 
What? Donald Trump didn't put thought into something he said? That's just too unplayable for me to believe.
 
Cheerful Charlie said:
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/tru...residential-candidate-if-he-loses-nomination/

Republican front-runner Donald Trump on Tuesday abandoned a pledge to support a party presidential nominee other than himself, a sign of increasing friction with chief rival Ted Cruz.
“No, I don’t anymore,” Trump replied, when asked at a CNN town hall event whether he still supported a pledge he made last year to support whoever is the Republican nominee for the Nov. 8 election.
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Is anyone surprised? I predicted this seconds after he made the so-called pledge :p

And I will love it if he runs third-party ticket. That guarantees Clinton wins the White House.
 
Cheerful Charlie said:
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/tru...men-for-abortion-after-conservative-backlash/
In the space of just a few hours, Donald Trump has done a serious about-face after a serious controversy.

After Trump said in an interview with Chris Matthews on MSNBC that once abortion is outlawed, “there has to be some form of punishment” for a woman who gets one, his GOP rivals John Kasich and Ted Cruz disagreed. (Though neither of those two campaigns were able to explain exactly why not.)

“If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman,” Trump said in the statement. “The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb. My position has not changed — like Ronald Reagan, I am pro-life with exceptions.”

Well, this should add to Trump's problem with women voters in a general election.
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Donald Trump is vile, but he is just saying outloud what Cruz and the rest of the religious right actually think.

Donald Trump has zero respect for women - never has and never will - but I have a very hard time believing that Trump truly believes half the shit he has spouted in this primary race.
 
Andrea Mitchell: Donald Trump Is "Completely Uneducated" About The World | Video | RealClearPolitics
... he would cancel defense treaties with Japan and South Korea against North Korea. He doesn’t mind, he would be okay if Japan and South Korea go nuclear. American policy for decades since World War II has been trying to keep nukes out of that arena.
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Then about refusing to buy Saudi oil unless Saudi Arabia pays more for its defense.
... He is completely all over the lot. On Iran he complained that Iran isn’t buying our planes. It had to be pointed out to him that Iran is still under sanctions and cannot buy American planes.
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Then about how it's China that's North Korea's biggest trading partner and not Iran, as he has stated.

Then Reid Epstein tweeted
Trump last night said maybe Japan should get nukes. Today his top adviser says "he is adamantly nonproliferation."
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noting Trump Splits From U.S. Nuclear Policy - WSJ

Donald Trump seems rather dangerous and erratic to me. He ought to have been familiar with Republicans opposing President Obama's Iran deal. With relations in such a poor state, selling warplanes to Iran would be a dubious proposition -- at best.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Let's be real, though. Who engages politicians in corruption in the US? It's primarily for-profit corporations, including bribery, campaign funding, and revolving doors. Since Donald Trump gave Hillary money, are we to conclude that Hillary is the corrupt one? No, they're both part of the machine.
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For some odd reason, as a tax payer I seem to have a very much lower opinion of the one receiving the money compared the one who is giving the money. Simply because the one receiving the money is receiving MY tax money as well as giving away my tax money away in a corrupt act. Versus the other money which is being given directly from person to person.
 
Tristan Scott said:
The left has been pushing for reform for a long time, but too many want to keep it the way it is, and for not all "corrupt" reasons.
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I can't think of 1 reason the does not look like bribery. And bribery IS corruption.
 
RVonse said:
For some odd reason, as a tax payer I seem to have a very much lower opinion of the one receiving the money compared the one who is giving the money. Simply because the one receiving the money is receiving MY tax money as well as giving away my tax money away in a corrupt act. Versus the other money which is being given directly from person to person.
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When Trump is in office he'll switch roles since he'll become a receiver.
 
RavenSky said:
RVonse said:
I'm the one who said it so I'll defend it.

Both Sanders and Trump want to bring jobs back to the US. Both want to have nothing to do with TPP which is not free trade, but corrupted trade solely profiting of special interests who crafted it up for their purpose. Both Sanders and Trump want to rein in the Banksters. Both Sanders and Trump have a chance to bring genuine change to our gravely corrupt government because neither Sanders or Trump takes special interest PAC money. I believe both Sanders and Trump are basically honest. Both Sanders and Trump appear to speak for the middle class of this country. Trump actually goes further on this than Sanders does, simply because Sanders has compassion for Mexicans who Trump only wants to send back to Mexico. But Trump is actually helping the middle class more than Sanders because reducing available labor from this country will serves to raise wages for average middle class workers. Bringing the same effect that caused middle class wages to rise between 1930 to 1950 during a period of no immigration. To summarize, Sanders and Trump want to serve the middle class. All the other candidates are there to serve the establishment and protect the status quo.

Saving the middle class of America is huge IMO. So huge I personally can't understand how intelligent middle class people do not see this. Yet I see blind people even here on this thread. We get to hear about how Donald talks about women and everything other trivial issue and this does serve the purpose for tripping up his mission. Exactly what the establishment wants.
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Here's the difference:

Trump is a proven liar, has contradicted every position he has ever taken, and is anti-women, anti-immigrant, anti-just-about-everyone

Sanders genuinely believes what he is saying, and has lived it by example his entire life.

In short, they are NOTHING alike and it is beyond ridiculous to vote for Trump if Sanders doesn't win the Democratic nomination. I think it would make Bernie Sanders vomit to hear anyone say that.
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In the eyes of the law at least, society has judged that lying and telling bad flavor jokes about people is a lot less serious than bribery. Unless you are the Chicago mob or Hillary Clinton that is.
 
RVonse said:
RavenSky said:
Here's the difference:

Trump is a proven liar, has contradicted every position he has ever taken, and is anti-women, anti-immigrant, anti-just-about-everyone

Sanders genuinely believes what he is saying, and has lived it by example his entire life.

In short, they are NOTHING alike and it is beyond ridiculous to vote for Trump if Sanders doesn't win the Democratic nomination. I think it would make Bernie Sanders vomit to hear anyone say that.
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In the eyes of the law at least, society has judged that lying and telling bad flavor jokes about people is a lot less serious than bribery. Unless you are the Chicago mob or Hillary Clinton that is.
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What about paying for people's lawsuits when they beat up minorities?
 
RVonse said:
Tristan Scott said:
The left has been pushing for reform for a long time, but too many want to keep it the way it is, and for not all "corrupt" reasons.
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I can't think of 1 reason the does not look like bribery. And bribery IS corruption.
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Perhaps it "looks" like bribery to you because you do not understand the legal definition of bribery. To prove bribery it must be demonstrated that a relationship exists in which the recipient directly alters behavior in exchange for the gift. A corporation or individual simply giving a gift without expressly asking for something in return does not constitute bribery.
I'm not arguing for or against, I'm simply telling you that campaign contributions by themselves do not constitute bribery.
But, back on topic, while Trump has not accepted any campaign contributions he has gamed the system because of his celebrity to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars in free advertising. For that I don't blame him, I blame the system.

The press has a responsibility that they are not fulfilling-it's like the president said the other day (paraphrase): If I said the world was flat, that would be newsworthy and should be reported, but the press also has the responsibility to report that there is overwhelming evidence showing the world is round.
 
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