How Western Media faked it - a Russian view

[barbos]

1) They weren't a conquest. The Ukraine hadn't joined NATO.

2) The election in the Crimea was an obvious sham.

1) They were conquests

2) The election in the Crimea was fine. You just don't like results.

 

[barbos]

An interesting short article, citing comments from Mr. Kissinger, diverging from mainstream US political thought:
http://www.strategic-culture.org/pv...-forget-about-crimea-and-nato-membership.html

Speaking of Crimea’s accession to Russia, he noted that this is a special case, as Ukraine and Russia were one country for a long time. In his view, the West must recognize its mistakes. "Europe and America did not understand the impact of these events, starting with the negotiations about Ukraine's economic relations with the European Union and culminating in the demonstrations in Kiev," said Mr. Kissinger. "All these, and their impact, should have been the subject of a dialogue with Russia."
He is sure that Ukraine has always had a special significance for Russia. Failure to understand this was fatal, and the Ukrainian authorities can forget about the Crimean peninsula. "Nobody in the West has offered a concrete program to restore Crimea," said Mr. Kissinger. "Nobody is willing to fight over eastern Ukraine." In his opinion, introducing anti-Russian sanctions was a mistake.

Seems old anti-communist has a habit of actually listening what other side is saying and researching the problem.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

1) They weren't a conquest. The Ukraine hadn't joined NATO.

2) The election in the Crimea was an obvious sham.

1) They were conquests

2) The election in the Crimea was fine. You just don't like results.

I have a big problem with the election. If nothing else it had the problem that the status quo wasn't on the ballot.

 

[Ford]

1) They were conquests

2) The election in the Crimea was fine. You just don't like results.

I have a big problem with the election. If nothing else it had the problem that the status quo wasn't on the ballot.

Well of course you have a problem with the election. You were not encouraged by Russian soldiers patriotic Crimean citizens who yearned for freedom.

 

[barbos]

1) They were conquests

2) The election in the Crimea was fine. You just don't like results.

I have a big problem with the election. If nothing else it had the problem that the status quo wasn't on the ballot.

Then I guess you have problem with latest presidential elections in Ukraine too.
Cause status quo candidate was not on the ballot too.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I have a big problem with the election. If nothing else it had the problem that the status quo wasn't on the ballot.

Then I guess you have problem with latest presidential elections in Ukraine too.
Cause status quo candidate was not on the ballot too.

That's not the same thing at all.

The ballot choices were join Russia or adopt the 1992 Constitution--which didn't make Crimea part of the Ukraine.

 

[Togo]

I have a big problem with the election. If nothing else it had the problem that the status quo wasn't on the ballot.

Then I guess you have problem with latest presidential elections in Ukraine too.
Cause status quo candidate was not on the ballot too.

Did they field an actual candidate?

There were certainly status quo candidates in the parliamentary elections, many of which got elected. Just not a majority.

I don't think you're ever going to find equivalency between a region that has democratic elections, and one that doesn't.