How would a new civil war play out?

[Derec]

When the facts are ag'in' ya ...

Yeah, "facts", sure.
We all saw the left wing riots of recent years.
We all know of the terrorism of the far left groups like Black Liberation Army or Weather Underground.
Yes, there has been some right wing violence, like Tim McVeigh, but to pretend that left-wing violence is not a major problem in this country is idiotic partisan politics, nothing more.

Law enforcement have expressed concerns that the broader sharing of false narratives and conspiracy theories will gain traction in mainstream environments, resulting in individuals or small groups embracing violent tactics to achieve their desired objectives.

Like the false narratives about police promulgated by #BLMers?

But all three drafts describe the threat from white supremacists as the deadliest domestic terror threat facing the U.S., listed above the immediate danger from foreign terrorist groups.

What about black supremacist and other leftist group? Why do you keep ignoring them?

None of the drafts POLITICO reviewed referred to a threat from Antifa, the loose cohort of militant left-leaning agitators who senior Trump administration officials have described as domestic terrorists.

They ARE domestic terrorists. They are not the ONLY domestic terrorists, but it is wrong to ignore them because you are close to their ideology.

“This draft document seems to be consistent with earlier intelligence reports from DHS, the FBI, and other law enforcement sources: that the most significant terror-related threat facing the US today comes from violent extremists who are motivated by white supremacy and other far-right ideological causes,”

We have your side burn down US cities every time a black thug is shot by police.
We have a black supremacist militiaman murder a police officer in Florida and his black supremacist buddies hide him in Georgia.
Man arrested in cop shooting had history with extremism
But saying anything against black supremacism is not politically correct, so it gets ignored.
Instead, "white supremacists" is all it is politically correct to talk about.

... rely on anecdotes:

History of leftist political violence from Black Panthers to #BLM is not anecdotes. Neither is the fact that "progessive" DAs fail to properly prosecute left-wing political violence.

And then you attack the source. Do you have any reason to doubt Eva/Joshua Warner was given a slap on the wrist for assault on a police officer, which should be a felony in Oregon?
It is pretty hypocritical when the Left attacks Fox being used as a source while posting stuff from left-wing sources that are even more partisan.

Have we seen a lot of anecdotes from this contingent? Give Derec some credit though: Although he hasn't explicitly conceded that attempting to overthrow the lawfully elected government was "serious," he is NOT saying that it WASN'T serious.

It was serious. But #BLM/Antifa violence is serious too. Political violence is not only serious when it affects ruling classes in DC rather than regular people whose livelihoods get destroyed by #BLMers and Antifa.

 

[Derec]

I can only ascertain that what is "serious" is that it is a "serious impediment to fascism that those who whinge against ANTIFA wish to enact, and those people seem to be exactly the same people who the FBI thinks serious thoughts about."

You don't get it. The aim of Antifa is not a free society, but a communist one. They origin was as the paramilitary organ of the German Communist Party.

They are as bad as the fascists, just in the opposite ideological direction.

At any rate Derec, you got your wish WRT gun possession: my prescription from my principles has pivoted on the context and now I think that the left needs to get armed.

The far left has always been armed. Firearms, explosives. All the murders Black Panthers/Black Liberation Army, Weather Underground etc. committed weren't done without weapons.

And today that continues. Michael Reinoehl was armed. Gage Grosskreutz was armed. Othal Wallace was armed.

Derec made a Tinkerbell Effect happen.

Huh?

 

[Derec]

Well, for the record, since I am apparently The Left, I absolutely and without hesitation support the legal prosecution of Secoriea Turner's murderer.

Good to know, but what do you think about arson, occupation, looting, assaults on police etc. perpetrated in service of the Leftist cause?

But if the orchestrators of the January 6 coup attempt face similar penalties for their acts of sedition, I will likewise be content. If you don't think that overthrowing a democratically elected government would result in increased gang violence, you know nothing of sociology.

The January 6th rioters are getting prosecuted very aggressively. On the other hand, most of the perpetrators of the leftist 2020 riots are not being prosecuted at all, because these riots happened in left-wing cities with fauxgressive DAs. A handful were prosecuted by the feds, but the local DAs prosecuted very few. Take the bomber lawyers in Brooklyn. The notoriously left-wing DA of Brooklyn declined to prosecute these two shysters who made and handed out Molotov cocktails and firebombed a police car. They would have gotten off scot-free if not for a federal prosecution by Trump's DOJ. They got a sweetheart plea deal under Garland and I doubt they will serve any significant prison time.

Other than murder of 8 year old girls, where do you stand on left-wing political violence? Should it be prosecuted as aggressively as the right-wing kind?

 

[Derec]

The only thing this article seems to be missing is the part where this time around there won't be any mercy for the "south" because many of us no longer see you as brothers and sisters. So you won't get to keep yo shit this time.

It's funny that the Left pretends that the violence will come from the Right but at the same time they love to fantasize about showing no mercy to their fellow Americans because they do not like their politics.

 

[Derec]

In all reality, it comes down to a game theoretic truth: pro-democracy Americans are not complacent, at least not this one. We are merely, generally, quiet enough about where we stand so as to not be easy targets among the chaotic first phase.

You claim to be pro-democracy, but I wonder.
If there was a left-wing revolution seeking to overthrow the US government, whose side would you be on? Say Trump had won (fair and square) in 2020 and there was a second coming of Fred "I am a revolutionary!" Hampton seeking to storm the Capitol on January 6th, would you support him?

 

[Patooka]

The January 6th rioters are getting prosecuted very aggressively. On the other hand, most of the perpetrators of the leftist 2020 riots are not being prosecuted at all, because these riots happened in left-wing cities with fauxgressive DAs.

Oh man this is pure fucking genius. Why is antifa not being prosecuted as much as dumb cunts who attacked a building with more cameras per square metre than any other place in the world, all the while insisting they don't need to wear a mask? Because the left is protecting antifa that's why!

Derec, the way you blame everything on antifa reminds me of how conservatives used to blame everything on terrorism, And seeing as you like your memes so much:

 

[Swammerdami]

When the facts are ag'in' ya ...

Yeah, "facts", sure.
...

Law enforcement have expressed concerns that the broader sharing of false narratives and conspiracy theories will gain traction in mainstream environments, resulting in individuals or small groups embracing violent tactics to achieve their desired objectives.

Like the false narratives about police promulgated by #BLMers?

But all three drafts describe the threat from white supremacists as the deadliest domestic terror threat facing the U.S., listed above the immediate danger from foreign terrorist groups.

What about black supremacist and other leftist group? Why do you keep ignoring them?

Try reading for comprehension. Where did you come up with "Why do you keep ignoring them?"
I am referencing reports from the Dept. of Homeland Security. In your view are they a left-wing front? Apologist for BLM?

Oh. You posted some 90-year old photo or whatever it was and tried to link it to the BLM.

• If this is part of your audition to be a reporter for FoxNews or InfoWars then ... Well done!
• If, OTOH, you thought it would win you support from the 100+ IQ crowd, then I'm afraid you've conflated the gullibility of rational Americans with those of your persuasion.

 

[Gospel]

The only thing this article seems to be missing is the part where this time around there won't be any mercy for the "south" because many of us no longer see you as brothers and sisters. So you won't get to keep yo shit this time.

It's funny that the Left pretends that the violence will come from the Right but at the same time they love to fantasize about showing no mercy to their fellow Americans because they do not like their politics.

Violently overthrowing the American Government is politics?

 

[Patooka]

It's funny that the Left pretends that the violence will come from the Right but at the same time they love to fantasize about showing no mercy to their fellow Americans because they do not like their politics.

I guess you consider yourself a centrist? Good luck with that, mate.

 

[Jarhyn]

It's funny that the Left pretends that the violence will come from the Right but at the same time they love to fantasize about showing no mercy to their fellow Americans because they do not like their politics.

I guess you consider yourself a centrist? Good luck with that, mate.

It's not about not liking "merely their politics", as if that's an honest way to frame not wanting to let the infestation crawl back into the woodwork after the initial treatment drove the evil into the light.

"Their politics" involve them thinking it was appropriate to attempt to use force to wrest control of society from the society.

There just isn't time in the day to process that many people through corrective efforts.
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[Politesse]

Other than murder of 8 year old girls, where do you stand on left-wing political violence? Should it be prosecuted as aggressively as the right-wing kind?

Yes.

According to the law, not to some desire for disproportionate revenge against your political enemies.

But if someone commits a crime, they should be prosecuted for it, yes. You are misrepresenting "the Left" if your argument is that anyone who rejects conservatism rejects the law altogether.

 

[Jarhyn]

Other than murder of 8 year old girls, where do you stand on left-wing political violence? Should it be prosecuted as aggressively as the right-wing kind?

Yes.

According to the law, not to some desire for disproportionate revenge against your political enemies.

But if someone commits a crime, they should be prosecuted for it, yes. You are misrepresenting "the Left" if your argument is that anyone who rejects conservatism rejects the law altogether.

Well, to conservatives, "the law binds other's and protects themselves". So anyone who rejects their control and power rejects the law altogether.

Edit: consider the difference between "The law exists to help me" and "the law exists to help us". To someone so egoistic as a conservative, someone so silly as to believe themselves RIGHT and not merely "less wrong", this I think plays a large role.

 

[SLD]

Perhaps our failure to understand this is because for the past 60 years or so we’ve seen little in the way of mass political violence in this country. But these years have been more of an exception than the rule throughout 250 years of America. Our country started as a civil war. It started locally In Massachusetts and then quickly spread to other colonies. But there was already in place a Congress of the states at that point to address grievances with England.

But that’s hardly the only example. For example in 1842, Rhode Islanders rebelled against their government and while it was crushed, it forced changes to their Constitution and expanded the right to vote. I don’t believe there were any casualties, but only because one side basically backed down at the last minute.

other examples abound. There have been lots of incidents of labor violence in the latter 19th and early 20th century. The famous West Virginia coal wars lasted almost ten years, and involved using airplanes and machine guns against striking miners.

And of course there have been numerous examples of racial violence For centuries. Tulsa, Atlanta, Memphis, and many other southern cities saw extensive racial riots that authorities pretty much turned a blind eye to and even actively participated in.

Perhaps that is how it will play out, with rioting in various cities between various factions and officials basically unable or unwilling to stop it.

 

[Gospel]

Violence between countrymen is not something I "fantasize" about. Protesting (within the law) and voting for a nutjob for president are ok with me. What would not be ok with me is using violence or the destruction of property. Anyone on the left ok with violence, looting and the destruction of property can remove themselves from my list of allies. Whether you're on the right or left side civil disobedience is ok in my book.

 

[Trausti]

Perhaps our failure to understand this is because for the past 60 years or so we’ve seen little in the way of mass political violence in this country.

Mostly forgotten now, but the 1970s had lots of leftwing violence.

 

[Trausti]

Violence between countrymen is not something I "fantasize" about. Protesting (within the law) and voting for a nutjob for president are ok with me. What would not be ok with me is using violence or the destruction of property. Anyone on the left ok with violence, looting and the destruction of property can remove themselves from my list of allies. Whether you're on the right or left side civil disobedience is ok in my book.

This.

 

[Gospel]

As for the topic of a "new civil war", I'm all about defending America & its constitution with my words and cooperative approach to our society however anyone who raises arms against America can expect a merciless response from me on America's behalf.