https://talkfreethought.org/showthread.php?5874-Derec-Hobbyhorse-Derail-Thread-Women

[Jimmy Higgins]

In before the mattress reference

 

[KeepTalking]

When you look at the definition some feminists use that's what it amounts to.

bullshit

Then how do you explain Vassar, Amherst and other miscarriages of justice?

Which one of these cases resulted in a criminal conviction for a crime they did not commit? You know, like in the actual definition of a miscarriage of justice.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Failure to prove rape doesn't mean a woman is lying.

Nobody said it did.

Several years of posting by Derec implies otherwise on his part.

It also doesn't mean the charge is true though either.

Now that would be a strawman, and the most tired one in the history of this web board.

Why you choose to defend a broken clock is beyond me.

I would like to see the counter arguments. Derec often makes a pretty good prima facie case, and often gets strawmanned as well. That means he often comes out looking to an outside observer as the reasonable one in the discussion, even if he's not super reasonable.

And I love passive aggressive speech as much as the other, but seriously how am I supposed to square you saying "Derec often makes a pretty good prima facie case" with "even if he's not super reasonable"... in the same bloody sentence!?

He may lean towards what you say..

He may lean?! Dude... his posting history on the subject... and women in general (you know, almost no other poster on this web board can be said to have a posting history on the subject of women), it is clear what he thinks. No leaning. No maybe.

 

[RVonse]

Always telling when Derec lays out some facts like that and makes a rational and somewhat convincing argument, and all he's met with is some personal attacks and eye rolling.

Derec, the reason why nobody can tell you why two drunk people having sex only results in the woman not having given consent, and the reason why women can get away with rape accusations after the fact and despite little if any evidence behind the charge, is pretty obvious to everybody here, even the feminists, but they don't want to admit it to themselves. That's why you're not getting a mature and cogent counter argument. And you won't. It will all be about outrage and feelings and personal attacks.

Agree +1

You know that by now. So why do you keep posting what you do?

Why did Rosa Parks do what she did? Or MLK? Or MAD (mad woman against drunks)? They probably did what they did for their own satisfaction of personal integrity and were willing to take the heat. But admittedly I am just speculating about this.

 

[Bronzeage]

Then how do you explain Vassar, Amherst and other miscarriages of justice?
How do you explain false accuser Mattress Girl being celebrated in feminist circles?

Post - WITH LINK TO A FACTUAL SOURCE - any feminist who defines "rape" as "any sex that the woman ends up regretting that she had".

Do not trot out your handful of real or imagined "false rape claims" because that is not what Breitbart's jackass was quoted as saying, nor what Loren claims "some feminists" "define" as rape.

Beyond that, I have zero intention of discussing your hobbyhorses with you, so don't start.

We've seen survey questions that counted as rape any sex she didn't want--even if it was fully consensual.

Did you read that sentence before you posted? What is fully consensual unwanted sex?


I haven't seen any surveys that counted rape as any sex she didn't want, but at that point, it's just a matter of arguing over the price. I've never seen a survey which asks whether man should be allowed to force a woman to have sex, if "she led him on," but who's to say it doesn't exist?

There is a rank fear of women at the core of this issue. A woman's power to dispense sexual favors, or deny them, is coupled with her power to claim such favors were stolen. Some men are threatened by the very idea. In order for this mindset to exist, there must be a firm conviction that a woman is basically malevolent, and always looking for some way to inflict pain on a man.

Like any other prejudice, it's pointless to argue with such a person. The man who distrusts (insert racial group name here) has a ready list of reasons, backed up by statistics. He can assure others, his feelings are based on scientific evidence.