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http://www.torontosun.com/2015/12/16/millionaire-who-claimed-he-fell-into-teen-cleared-of-rape


A British jury only took 30 minutes to find a Saudi millionaire not guilty of rape after he claimed he accidentally penetrated an 18-year-old girl on his couch when he tripped and fell.

Abdulaziz claimed he came out of the bedroom to offer the girl a T-shirt to sleep in or pay for a cab ride home. But when she pulled him towards her, he fell. He said that’s when his erect penis must have accidentally penetrated her.

I have absolutely no response to that. :confused:
 

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Wasn't there a pastor who went to an emergency department with a potato stuffed up his ass and said he fell on it while hanging drapes?

One wonders about the mathematics of how these "accidents" happen.
 

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Wasn't there a pastor who went to an emergency department with a potato stuffed up his ass and said he fell on it while hanging drapes?

One wonders about the mathematics of how these "accidents" happen.

Well, we know how they happen. The question is how the fuck do you convince a jury of this bullshit?
 

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As it should have happened! This story is totally believable. Why would you want to ruin this man's life, anyway? He's just a man. /s
 

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Wasn't there a pastor who went to an emergency department with a potato stuffed up his ass and said he fell on it while hanging drapes?

One wonders about the mathematics of how these "accidents" happen.

Well, we know how they happen. The question is how the fuck do you convince a jury of this bullshit?

Agreed. The defendant was a rich Saudi millionaire. So much of the culture of the middle east and Asia runs on graft and corruption, I wouldn't be surprised if 2 or 3 of those jurors suddenly ended up with a good bit of folding money in their pockets after the trial.
 

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Well, we know how they happen. The question is how the fuck do you convince a jury of this bullshit?

Agreed. The defendant was a rich Saudi millionaire. So much of the culture of the middle east and Asia runs on graft and corruption, I wouldn't be surprised if 2 or 3 of those jurors suddenly ended up with a good bit of folding money in their pockets after the trial.

But this is in England. I assumed that they would have more safeguards on the integrity of their legal system than one would expect to find in a shithole like Saudi Arabia. Apparently, that was mistaken assumption on my part.
 

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I wouldn't say apparent, but I would call it a pretty good guess.
 

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There will be a lot more to this case than what is reported in that snippet.

One would think so. However, even though there should me more to it, I'm stumped as to how there could be more to it.

If your rape defence includes anything close to the phrase "I tripped and accidentally stuck my penis in her", you're essentially saying that you raped her but just don't give enough a shit to bother coming up with a denial. It's right up there with being found holding a severed head and a bloody knife and saying "Ya, the guy accidentally cut his head off while shaving and I was using the knife to clean up the blood from the floor". You're saying that you did it but everyone should just fuck the hell off and not give you any shit over it.

The jury heard him give this defence and yet found him not guilty after a half hour of deliberation. I don't know what else there is to it, but I can't think how there'd be anything else which would counter what's already known.
 

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What about simply:

1. Didn't pay the girl enough therefore RAPE
2. Paid jury enough therefore NOT GUILTY


Now ARISE! ye defenders of all (esoecially female ) "victims".
 

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There will be a lot more to this case than what is reported in that snippet.

One would think so. However, even though there should me more to it, I'm stumped as to how there could be more to it.

If your rape defence includes anything close to the phrase "I tripped and accidentally stuck my penis in her", you're essentially saying that you raped her but just don't give enough a shit to bother coming up with a denial. It's right up there with being found holding a severed head and a bloody knife and saying "Ya, the guy accidentally cut his head off while shaving and I was using the knife to clean up the blood from the floor". You're saying that you did it but everyone should just fuck the hell off and not give you any shit over it.

The jury heard him give this defence and yet found him not guilty after a half hour of deliberation. I don't know what else there is to it, but I can't think how there'd be anything else which would counter what's already known.
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He says she tried to seduce him, but tripped and fell and... well who hasn't that happened to. This then leads to the next question, if she tried to seduce him... isn't that enough. I'm a millionaire and she was trying to extort me. No... his defense is he tripped. Which apparently a defense that works back home. It is appalling that it worked in England.
 

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It's like that joke about someone tripping and falling onto my knife, thirteen times....
 

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Well, we know how they happen. The question is how the fuck do you convince a jury of this bullshit?

Agreed. The defendant was a rich Saudi millionaire. So much of the culture of the middle east and Asia runs on graft and corruption, I wouldn't be surprised if 2 or 3 of those jurors suddenly ended up with a good bit of folding money in their pockets after the trial.

Either that or they were threatened with very bad things if they convicted.

I would be very surprised if the jury actually bought the story.
 

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One would think so. However, even though there should me more to it, I'm stumped as to how there could be more to it.

If your rape defence includes anything close to the phrase "I tripped and accidentally stuck my penis in her", you're essentially saying that you raped her but just don't give enough a shit to bother coming up with a denial. It's right up there with being found holding a severed head and a bloody knife and saying "Ya, the guy accidentally cut his head off while shaving and I was using the knife to clean up the blood from the floor". You're saying that you did it but everyone should just fuck the hell off and not give you any shit over it.

The jury heard him give this defence and yet found him not guilty after a half hour of deliberation. I don't know what else there is to it, but I can't think how there'd be anything else which would counter what's already known.
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He says she tried to seduce him, but tripped and fell and... well who hasn't that happened to. This then leads to the next question, if she tried to seduce him... isn't that enough. I'm a millionaire and she was trying to extort me. No... his defense is he tripped. Which apparently a defense that works back home. It is appalling that it worked in England.

Hmmm, let me see if I can justify some immoral behavior. I suppose I might find some admiration in his defense should a very narrow set of circumstances actually occurred. I haven't the foggiest clue about what did or did not actually happen in each progressive stage of this drama, but if she and he had consensual sex later met by attempted extortion with little chance of truth being his saving grace, then all moral principles go out the window when faced with freedom being taken without just cause.

As Tom said, "fuck the hell off." That might be my stance too if I were in fact innocent but stood a dismal chance of prevailing in securing a better chance of deserved freedom. So yeah, people of the world, if you're going to expect me to play by a set of rules that'll guarantee my incarceration, then you may take your principles and shove them up your ass.

The story is so very unlikely that it strains the imagination--that he fell literally into her, and to think she could be a victim is so very unfortunate, but if there's some reason to think (be it direct or otherwise) that she was trying to extort money AND if the probability is over 20% that he would be found guilty after telling the truth despite inncocence, then I argue that dishonesty and immoral behavior is justified.
 

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One would think so. However, even though there should me more to it, I'm stumped as to how there could be more to it.

"Penetration" may not have actually occurred is my guess.

If his penis was in her vagina, he penetrated her.

My question is this: Did she, at any time, say 'No', or 'Stop'? If not, then consent could be implied and therefore it isn't rape.
 

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http://www.torontosun.com/2015/12/16/millionaire-who-claimed-he-fell-into-teen-cleared-of-rape




Abdulaziz claimed he came out of the bedroom to offer the girl a T-shirt to sleep in or pay for a cab ride home. But when she pulled him towards her, he fell. He said that’s when his erect penis must have accidentally penetrated her.

I have absolutely no response to that. :confused:

I really don't find it too awfully surprising given the Rotherham debacle. That was many thousands of rapes....this is just one.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11059138/Rotherham-In-the-face-of-such-evil-who-is-the-racist-now.html

If they convicted the Saudi guy of rape, the jury would worry that other people would label them racists, Islmaphobic or against multi-culturualism. .
 

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If his penis was in her vagina, he penetrated her.

My question is this: Did she, at any time, say 'No', or 'Stop'? If not, then consent could be implied and therefore it isn't rape.
She didn't... because she was supposedly asleep.

Then if she was 'asleep' there is no way she could have consented so it's rape!
 

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His story sounds like it's more likely to result in a broken dick, than penetration. (yes there is such a thing as a broken dick. Just remember that you can't unsee some things before using Google)
 

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If his penis was in her vagina, he penetrated her.

Indeed, but was his penis ever inside her ?

He claims that his erect penis penetrated her. That means he says he was inside her.

That would, of course, call for us to believe the word of an obvious rapist who apparently found a way to subvert the justice system, though, so we need to take his statement with a grain of salt.
 

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Agreed. The defendant was a rich Saudi millionaire. So much of the culture of the middle east and Asia runs on graft and corruption, I wouldn't be surprised if 2 or 3 of those jurors suddenly ended up with a good bit of folding money in their pockets after the trial.

But this is in England. I assumed that they would have more safeguards on the integrity of their legal system than one would expect to find in a shithole like Saudi Arabia. Apparently, that was mistaken assumption on my part.

Well, I expect that greasing the wheel might be more expensive... or maybe not.
 

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Indeed, but was his penis ever inside her ?

He claims that his erect penis penetrated her. That means he says he was inside her.

He is not actually quoted as saying "I fell and penetrated her". I suspect he said something along the lines that he fell on top of her when she pulled at him and their genital area may have made contact. English not being his first language and all that. And him giving evidence in private is strange too. I'm pretty sure we are not getting the full story here.
 

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Then if she was 'asleep' there is no way she could have consented so it's rape!
Sure, but you forget, the accused is rich.

So fucking what if he was rich?

Rape is rape, just as child abuse is child abuse. Anyone, FROM ANY CLASS OF SOCIETY, should be found guilty of a crime if they committed it. Money should not affect a person's opinion...

Does it matter if the victim was a prostitute? (I don't know if she was BTW), but who cares? If consent was not given, IT WAS RAPE!

And yes, I do feel quite strongly about this.
 

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another article said:
… she had pulled him on top of her and placed his hand between her legs… He said it was possible he had semen on his hands after the sexual encounter with her friend.

From here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...i-millionaire-cleared-of-raping-teenager.html

It doesn’t seem the claim is that his penis entered her. But maybe it is, or maybe it's all just super-crappy reporting.

Still rape? Yeah, maybe. After all, it doesn’t necessarily require penile penetration for it to be rape. But the reportage needs to be more complete and accurate to do anything other than simply project imaginations onto this.
 

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He claims that his erect penis penetrated her. That means he says he was inside her.

He is not actually quoted as saying "I fell and penetrated her". I suspect he said something along the lines that he fell on top of her when she pulled at him and their genital area may have made contact. English not being his first language and all that. And him giving evidence in private is strange too. I'm pretty sure we are not getting the full story here.

But his semen were inside her vagina. I agree that we're not getting the full story. I cannot, however, see what more could possibly come out that would change my opinion that he's a rapist.
 

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another article said:
… she had pulled him on top of her and placed his hand between her legs… He said it was possible he had semen on his hands after the sexual encounter with her friend.

From here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...i-millionaire-cleared-of-raping-teenager.html

It doesn’t seem the claim is that his penis entered her. But maybe it is, or maybe it's all just super-crappy reporting.

Crappy reporting in my opinion. There's no way a jury would accept "I fell on top of her and woops ! My penis penetrated her vagina." as a defense. We are not being told the full story.
 

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Sure, but you forget, the accused is rich.

So fucking what if he was rich?

Rape is rape, just as child abuse is child abuse. Anyone, FROM ANY CLASS OF SOCIETY, should be found guilty of a crime if they committed it. Money should not affect a person's opinion...

Does it matter if the victim was a prostitute? (I don't know if she was BTW), but who cares? If consent was not given, IT WAS RAPE!

And yes, I do feel quite strongly about this.
Yes, that is all true, but the guy was rich... and some women do lie about rape.
 

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So fucking what if he was rich?

Rape is rape, just as child abuse is child abuse. Anyone, FROM ANY CLASS OF SOCIETY, should be found guilty of a crime if they committed it. Money should not affect a person's opinion...

Does it matter if the victim was a prostitute? (I don't know if she was BTW), but who cares? If consent was not given, IT WAS RAPE!

And yes, I do feel quite strongly about this.
Yes, that is all true, but the guy was rich... and some women do lie about rape.

Some women do! I am not disputing that. I have not been through the court process, but I can tell you that a woman asleep CANNOT and HAS NOT consented to sexual intercourse of any description. That fact alone makes it rape.

If she has lied about the whole process, but that doesn't excuse a RICH man for taking what may not have been offered a second time.
 

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He claims that his erect penis penetrated her. That means he says he was inside her.

He is not actually quoted as saying "I fell and penetrated her". I suspect he said something along the lines that he fell on top of her when she pulled at him and their genital area may have made contact. English not being his first language and all that. And him giving evidence in private is strange too. I'm pretty sure we are not getting the full story here.
Did you click the link? According to him he had semen in his hands, and she pulled his hand to her genital area. Not saying that makes any more sense, but that's his side of the story.
 

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Ya, that's my point. That's his side of the story and he was found not guilty.
 

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Still rape? Yeah, maybe.
Wouldn't she be guilty of sexual assault if she pulled him so that he fell atop her?

Oh I forget, for the left the rape arrow is non-reversible, it always flows from male to female. That's why when two drunk people have sex he is the rapist and she the innocent victim even if she initiated it and even if he was way drunker than she was (see Campus rape witch hunts)
 

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Still rape? Yeah, maybe.
Wouldn't she be guilty of sexual assault if she pulled him so that he fell atop her?

Oh I forget, for the left the rape arrow is non-reversible, it always flows from male to female. That's why when two drunk people have sex he is the rapist and she the innocent victim even if she initiated it and even if he was way drunker than she was (see Campus rape witch hunts)

Oh ... I should have known.
 

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But his semen were inside her vagina.
Was the semen inside the vagina proper? Or in the "outlying regions" as JD from Scrubs would say?
He claims he had sex with her friend right before (I assume she corroborated that) which would explain semen on his genitals which could easily be transferred onto the accuser during non-penetrative contact.
I agree that we're not getting the full story. I cannot, however, see what more could possibly come out that would change my opinion that he's a rapist.
What happened to the infallibility of the jury that people on here seem to believe in when things go their way, like a cold-blooded murderer walking out after 60 days or a rapist not getting out for 200+ years?
 

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Crappy reporting in my opinion. There's no way a jury would accept "I fell on top of her and woops ! My penis penetrated her vagina." as a defense. We are not being told the full story.
Yeah, that version sounds like one of those jokes about how it's an oxymoron to say that somebody got pregnant accidentally. "What, did you trip and fell in?"
 

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Oh ... I should have known.
Abaddon advanced a scenario where she pulled him on top of her. I am not saying that's what happened but I fail to see how that scenario could possibly be interpreted as him raping her, not even "yeah, maybe".
 

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Abaddon advanced a scenario where she pulled him on top of her. I am not saying that's what happened but I fail to see how that scenario could possibly be interpreted as him raping her, not even "yeah, maybe".

I said this:

another article said:
… she had pulled him on top of her and placed his hand between her legs… He said it was possible he had semen on his hands after the sexual encounter with her friend.

From here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...i-millionaire-cleared-of-raping-teenager.html

It doesn’t seem the claim is that his penis entered her. But maybe it is, or maybe it's all just super-crappy reporting.

Still rape? Yeah, maybe. After all, it doesn’t necessarily require penile penetration for it to be rape. But the reportage needs to be more complete and accurate to do anything other than simply project imaginations onto this.

So, I said there’s another article that casts doubt on whether his penis was involved at all. The accused person obviously needs to explain how his semen got in her, and getting pulled on top of her is part of his explanation.

And yes, maybe he raped her in spite of a possible non-involvement of his penis.

Because it’s still rape if he was on top of her and groping her and maybe even fingering her (which is possibly why the OP’s article said “penetrated”).

Right? It’s still rape if she didn’t indicate she wanted sex and yet his cum-stained hand still found its way to her crotch, yes?
 

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His story sounds like it's more likely to result in a broken dick, than penetration. (yes there is such a thing as a broken dick. Just remember that you can't unsee some things before using Google)

Yeah. It would be possible with a great amount of luck but a broken dick would be far more likely (assuming he was hard.)

That does not explain kissing, though. If you fell on someone you would be getting off them, not kissing them.
 

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Yes, that is all true, but the guy was rich... and some women do lie about rape.

Some women do! I am not disputing that. I have not been through the court process, but I can tell you that a woman asleep CANNOT and HAS NOT consented to sexual intercourse of any description. That fact alone makes it rape.

If she has lied about the whole process, but that doesn't excuse a RICH man for taking what may not have been offered a second time.
You don't post in these sorts of thread often, now that I think of it. I'm pretty much channeling at this point.
 

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Some women do! I am not disputing that. I have not been through the court process, but I can tell you that a woman asleep CANNOT and HAS NOT consented to sexual intercourse of any description. That fact alone makes it rape.

If she has lied about the whole process, but that doesn't excuse a RICH man for taking what may not have been offered a second time.
You don't post in these sorts of thread often, now that I think of it. I'm pretty much channeling at this point.

No, I don't generally post in 'this type of thread'. I post in threads where I have an interest. This topic interests me.
 

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Look, I can understand everyone's skepticism, but you have to remember that he's a millionaire. Millionaires got to their positions in life through natural selection and that makes them superior beings. For example, take a look at Trump's recent health report written by his doctor:
"...laboratory test results were astonishingly excellent...His physical strength and stamina are extraordinary."

So, obviously what happened here is that this millionaire's penis breached his underwear, broke through his zipper, then broke her panties, and finally landed into her.

Case closed.
 
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