Ima need a fool to fall down. TRUMP YOU FOOL, FALL DOWN! (Or why there really was a reason for the US Civil War)

[AthenaAwakened]

Just read.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...voiding-the-civil-war/?utm_term=.309c904ebd4d

Here's the exchange, which will air at 2 p.m. Monday on Sirius XM's P.O.T.U.S. station:

TRUMP: [Jackson] was a swashbuckler. But when his wife died, did you know he visited her grave every day? I visited her grave actually, because I was in Tennessee.

ZITO: Oh, that's right. You were in Tennessee.

TRUMP: And it was amazing. The people of Tennessee are amazing people. They love Andrew Jackson. They love Andrew Jackson in Tennessee.

ZITO: Yeah, he's a fascinating...

TRUMP: I mean, had Andrew Jackson been a little later, you wouldn't have had the Civil War. He was a very tough person, but he had a big heart. And he was really angry that -- he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War. He said, “There's no reason for this.” People don't realize, you know, the Civil War — if you think about it, why? People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?

I do believe there was reason for the Civil War and that Andrew Jackson was dead when that war happened.

 

[Ford]

I do believe there was reason for the Civil War and that Andrew Jackson was dead when that war happened.

Or as Trump supporters call it "The War of Northern Aggression."

 

[dismal]

Mods: Doesn't this belong in the Trump derangement sub forum?

 

[Elixir]

Chelsea Clinton: "When Andrew Jackson died in 1845 (16 yrs before the Civil War began), he owned 150 men, women and children."

Cheato: "That's a good start, but nothing like the 320 million that I own!"

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Chelsea Clinton: "When Andrew Jackson died in 1845 (16 yrs before the Civil War began), he owned 150 men, women and children."

Weak, I had more at the inauguration.

 

[Derec]

Does that mean Harriett Tubman is not coming on the $20 bill then?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Trump doesn't seem to be aware that the Civil War was being diffused starting in the 1820s. You had a couple major "compromises" (Missouri, 1850).

With the Louisiana Purchase, the Civil War seemed to be a sure thing, given enough time. Then the South lost an election and tried to take their ball and go home. If Andrew Jackson had been President? The President was, in general, ball less in the 40's and 50's. Congress had the most power. This fucker is the dumbest fucker ever to manage to get elected.

 

[lpetrich]

Andrew Jackson had been very pugnacious, so someone like him would still have fought the Civil War.

Seems to me that DT was trying to put the pieces together from what he recalled from history classes and history documentaries.

 

[RavenSky]

Seems to me that DT was trying to put the pieces together from what he recalled from history classes and history documentaries.

Less than that, in my opinion. He was just in Tennessee, and was going on and on about how "they love Andrew Jackson in Tennessee". All he was doing was parroting some misinformation some confederate-flag waving knuckle-dragger said to him while he was there, much like he parrots faux-news on a regular basis.

 

[Sarpedon]

The Southerners were preparing for secession for years before the actual event.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

The Southerners were preparing for secession for years before the actual event.

Well, their loss is even more pathetic then.

 

[dismal]

The Southerners were preparing for secession for years before the actual event.

There was talk of secession dating back decades but it would be challenging to argue there was much "preparation".

But it was the election of Lincoln, from the new upstart anti-slavery Republican party that precipitated it.

Which is why there is probably some truth to the idea that is an old school slave-holding Democrat like Jackson had been president the civil war would have been averted -- for a time, anyway.

 

[jonatha]

Which is why there is probably some truth to the idea that is an old school slave-holding Democrat like Jackson had been president the civil war would have been averted -- for a time, anyway.

You are suggesting that if John C. Breckenridge had been elected in November 1860, the 8 secessionist states that had not at that point held elections for the House would have done so, and the war would have been averted despite the President's party's loss of 53 seats in the House and the Republicans' majority in both chambers?

 

[Elixir]

Trump doesn't seem to be aware that the Civil War was being diffused starting in the 1820s. You had a couple major "compromises" (Missouri, 1850).

With the Louisiana Purchase, the Civil War seemed to be a sure thing, given enough time. Then the South lost an election and tried to take their ball and go home. If Andrew Jackson had been President? The President was, in general, ball less in the 40's and 50's. Congress had the most power. This fucker is the dumbest fucker ever to manage to get elected.

Agreed. I really (REALLY) want someone to ask Cheato how much slavery he would have permitted in the new territories, had he been president at the time. The civil war would have taken place unless he endorsed slavery to some degree, so what would he have done?

 

[blastula]

Trump would have made a deal with the north, a tremendous deal, to build a wall and make them pay for it.

 

[dismal]

Which is why there is probably some truth to the idea that is an old school slave-holding Democrat like Jackson had been president the civil war would have been averted -- for a time, anyway.

You are suggesting that if John C. Breckenridge had been elected in November 1860, the 8 secessionist states that had not at that point held elections for the House would have done so, and the war would have been averted despite the President's party's loss of 53 seats in the House and the Republicans' majority in both chambers?

Historians (not me) largely view the election of Lincoln as having precipitated the civil war. I believe this is a rather conventional view. You ought to be able to confirm this with some minimal research.

While one can speculate greatly about events in an alternative history wherein Andrew Jackson is president in 1860, it seems hard to avoid the conclusion that this would mean Lincoln wasn't elected in 1860.

 

[lpetrich]

The Southerners were preparing for secession for years before the actual event.

Any sources on that? They may well have discussed it for several years, but I don't recall anything about it going further than that.

 

[Elixir]

You are suggesting that if John C. Breckenridge had been elected in November 1860, the 8 secessionist states that had not at that point held elections for the House would have done so, and the war would have been averted despite the President's party's loss of 53 seats in the House and the Republicans' majority in both chambers?

Historians (not me) largely view the election of Lincoln as having precipitated the civil war.

That's correct - Lincoln precipitated the war by refusing to allow slavery in the new territories. I'm sure Cheato would have been very happy - eager, even - to 'compromise' on that.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Historians view the election of Lincoln as precipitating secession.

South Carolina precipitated the war by bombarding Fort Sumter.

 

[dismal]

Historians (not me) largely view the election of Lincoln as having precipitated the civil war.

That's correct - Lincoln precipitated the war by refusing to allow slavery in the new territories. I'm sure Cheato would have been very happy - eager, even - to 'compromise' on that.

Hmm, interesting. I thought we were talking about what Andrew Jackson would have done. Given he was a slaveholding southern Democrat with a pro-union track record one imagines he would have been less likely to foment secession.