Immigration, Rule Of Law, And Obstruction of Justice

[steve_bank]

Trump is being attacked for obstruction of justice and rightly so. Democrats in congress are comparing that Trump has no regard for rule of law, obviously so.

What about constriction of the apprising of illegal immigrants who have had due process in court under the law who are helped by refusing to aid in apprehension? Where is the congressional democratic outrage on rule of law? The deportaions are based on law passed by congress.

Rule of law is what it says. If trump is gaily of obstruction, then so is Ca and sanctuary cities. So is law enforcement that refuse to assist feds. Is this not so?

All someone south of the border has to do is watch the Spanish South American CNN and think it is a safe bet to go illegally to the USA. The laws are not enforced.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Trump is being attacked for obstruction of justice and rightly so. Democrats in congress are comparing that Trump has no regard for rule of law, obviously so.

What about constriction of the apprising of illegal immigrants who have had due process in court under the law who are helped by refusing to aid in apprehension? Where is the congressional democratic outrage on rule of law? The deportaions are based on law passed by congress.

Rule of law is what it says. If trump is gaily of obstruction, then so is Ca and sanctuary cities. So is law enforcement that refuse to assist feds. Is this not so?

All someone south of the border has to do is watch the Spanish South American CNN and think it is a safe bet to go illegally to the USA. The laws are not enforced.

Please show me the law that requires the local police to help ICE. The local police are incredibly understaffed as it is.

 

[Patooka]

If the LAPD are saying, "We're not going to be a part of this. It's too much", then you are definitely on the wrong side.

 

[Angry Floof]

Trump is being attacked for obstruction of justice and rightly so. Democrats in congress are comparing that Trump has no regard for rule of law, obviously so.

What about constriction of the apprising of illegal immigrants who have had due process in court under the law who are helped by refusing to aid in apprehension? Where is the congressional democratic outrage on rule of law? The deportaions are based on law passed by congress.

Rule of law is what it says. If trump is gaily of obstruction, then so is Ca and sanctuary cities. So is law enforcement that refuse to assist feds. Is this not so?

All someone south of the border has to do is watch the Spanish South American CNN and think it is a safe bet to go illegally to the USA. The laws are not enforced.

When you and your ilk demonstrate some tiny spark of human empathy, I might consider entertaining your excuses for not having the conscience to hold cruel powers accountable.

There are numerous reasons for conscientious objection, and a whole spectrum of severity of consequences for doing so. But I don't expect a black-and-white, authoritarian mind would be able to answer that with any nuance or actual thought.

 

[repoman]

In the same way that corporations like externalize the real cost of their workforce who have to use welfare, the "broken" immigration system of "wink-wink" non enforcement is a boon for them.

Isn't it kind of strange that leftists and corporations are on the same side of this issue?

The same companies that are sucking the American people dry need more grist for the mill.

http://documents.nam.org/PA/FINAL_DACA_CMASAG_Letter_Final_Passage.pdf

 

[southernhybrid]

http://crimmigration.com/2017/01/17/must-local-police-work-for-ice/

It would be truly ironic if Trump and Republican members of Congress choose to target local governments that refuse to comply with immigration detainers. Several hundred local jurisdictions have taken that position in large part because courts have consistently declared immigration detainers unconstitutional. A number of federal courts have found that they violate the Fourth Amendment (see here and here). More recently, a federal court found that they exceed the authority granted ICE under the Immigration and Nationality Act.

In other words, the local police who refuse to aid ICE with deportations are the ones who are following the law. People have rights regardless of their status as citizens, legal immigrants or undocumented immigrants.

 

[Harry Bosch]

In the same way that corporations like externalize the real cost of their workforce who have to use welfare, the "broken" immigration system of "wink-wink" non enforcement is a boon for them.

So you also are making the assumption that local law enforcement are required to enforce federal immigration laws? Again, where does this requirement come from?

 

[repoman]

In the same way that corporations like externalize the real cost of their workforce who have to use welfare, the "broken" immigration system of "wink-wink" non enforcement is a boon for them.

So you also are making the assumption that local law enforcement are required to enforce federal immigration laws? Again, where does this requirement come from?

I was not saying that, I am stating a problem not a solution.

 

[repoman]

http://crimmigration.com/2017/01/17/must-local-police-work-for-ice/

It would be truly ironic if Trump and Republican members of Congress choose to target local governments that refuse to comply with immigration detainers. Several hundred local jurisdictions have taken that position in large part because courts have consistently declared immigration detainers unconstitutional. A number of federal courts have found that they violate the Fourth Amendment (see here and here). More recently, a federal court found that they exceed the authority granted ICE under the Immigration and Nationality Act.

In other words, the local police who refuse to aid ICE with deportations are the ones who are following the law. People have rights regardless of their status as citizens, legal immigrants or undocumented immigrants.

The companies that employ illegal immigrants have the right not to have those employees deported, except just often enough to keep them cowed.

 

[southernhybrid]

In Florida, ICE agents are trying to bypass the law by "training" local police to aide them.


https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2019/05/13/ices-new-program-makes-it-easier-for-florida-deputies-to-detain-undocumented-immigrants

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement announced last week the launch of a constitutionally shaky collaborative program intended to expand local law enforcement's role in enforcing immigration policy.

The new Warrant Service Officer program will train and certify deputies to make arrests on behalf of ICE in jails and keep undocumented immigrant inmates in custody for up to 48 hours following their time served on local charges. During that two-day grace period, ICE will be able to decide whether to serve the detainees federal immigration warrants.

The American Civil Liberties Union called the WSO program the "latest scheme by ICE to enlist local police in its abusive deportation agenda."

"The agency explicitly aims to subvert the will of local communities that have passed ordinances to prevent exactly this kind of cooperation between police and ICE," said Lorella Praeli, ACLU deputy political director, in a statement. "Participants would be forced to carry the financial burden of ICE’s aggression, potentially costing the state millions in operational expenses and legal fees."

Praeli argues ICE is asking local law enforcement to "risk violating the Fourth Amendment." It's unconstitutional to detain people for deportation proceedings without a warrant.

"ICE and the other agencies complicit in Trump's deportation force may feel they are above the constitution – but neither they, nor local police, are exempt from search and seizure laws," Praeli said. "We urge local law enforcement to resist this dangerous proposal and stand by their commitment to the communities they serve."

So, I will repeat what I said in my earlier post. It's not the police who are refusing to help ICE who are violating any laws. It's the police who are cooperating with ICE who may be violating the protections that all people currently living in the US have been given via the 4th amendment.

What Trump and company are doing is cruel, and possibly unconstitutional. A better idea would be to make it easier to work in the country legally.


Trump is so hypocritical when you consider how common it was for him to have undocumented immigrants working at his places of business. Then he lies and says he never knew of that practice. Of course he did!

We just need to make it easier for good people to enter the US and make a living. Why not welcome people who agree to live in places where there are unfilled jobs and a loss of population?

It disgusts me to see so much hate and fear as we currently have in the country.

 

[Angry Floof]

So, I will repeat what I said in my earlier post. It's not the police who are refusing to help ICE who are violating any laws. It's the police who are cooperating with ICE who may be violating the protections that all people currently living in the US have been given via the 4th amendment.

Just reiterating for the authority-fellating morons in the back.

 

[Derec]

If the LAPD are saying, "We're not going to be a part of this. It's too much", then you are definitely on the wrong side.

LAPD is not aiding and abetting illegal immigration because doing otherwise would be "too much" but because their bosses at city hall (as well as in the state government) are openly in favor of unrestricted illegal migration.

 

[Derec]

In other words, the local police who refuse to aid ICE with deportations are the ones who are following the law.

A law that enables illegals staying in the US and makes their deportation very difficult makes the mockery of the immigration system and the very idea of having a country.

We need to get our collective head out of our collective ass and fix these laws. Only immigration that is tolerated should be legal immigration.

 

[Derec]

So, I will repeat what I said in my earlier post. It's not the police who are refusing to help ICE who are violating any laws. It's the police who are cooperating with ICE who may be violating the protections that all people currently living in the US have been given via the 4th amendment.

Care to cite the exact part of the 4th amendment that says that police is not allowed to enforce immigration laws and that illegals should be protected from deportation?

This sanctuary city/state bullshit is making a mockery of having a legal immigration system in the first place.

Ever wonder why mass migrants are all coming to US and EU? And not to say Japan? Because Japan doesn't play those games. They enforce their laws.

What Trump and company are doing is cruel, and possibly unconstitutional. A better idea would be to make it easier to work in the country legally.

The opposite is true. If you are here illegally, you should not be able to work. You should not get a driver's licence either. If you make it easier to come and stay in the country illegally, you will get more illegals coming here. That's just common sense.

Trump is so hypocritical when you consider how common it was for him to have undocumented immigrants working at his places of business. Then he lies and says he never knew of that practice. Of course he did!

Yes, he is hypocritical. But the reason his message found resonance is that other politicians are so horrible on illegal migration. Even Republicans, with Jeb calling illegal migration an "act of love".

We just need to make it easier for good people to enter the US and make a living. Why not welcome people who agree to live in places where there are unfilled jobs and a loss of population?

US already has a very generous legal migration system. But of course, there is a finite number of slots for that. Illegals want to bypass the legal system and people like you think that's all right.

It disgusts me to see so much hate and fear as we currently have in the country.

It disgusts me that some people think that illegal migration is good or that if you do not favor unrestricted, unlimited mass migration you must be a "xenophobe".

 

[TSwizzle]

LAPD is not aiding and abetting illegal immigration because doing otherwise would be "too much" but because their bosses at city hall (as well as in the state government) are openly in favor of unrestricted illegal migration.

Indeed, the virtue signaling ideologues in LA city hall would rather illegal violent offenders be released than deported such is their hatred for Trump. However there are ways round this nonsense that law enforcement use to tip off ICE.

 

[Harry Bosch]

LAPD is not aiding and abetting illegal immigration because doing otherwise would be "too much" but because their bosses at city hall (as well as in the state government) are openly in favor of unrestricted illegal migration.

Indeed, the virtue signaling ideologues in LA city hall would rather illegal violent offenders be released than deported such is their hatred for Trump. However there are ways round this nonsense that law enforcement use to tip off ICE.

Do you have evidence that "LA city hall" would allow violent offenders to be released?

 

[Derec]

Do you have evidence that "LA city hall" would allow violent offenders to be released?

Why do you think they would be any different than San Francisco, another sanctuary city? And they most definitely did release a felon who was deported five times rather than turn him over to ICE. Of course, that illegal (José Inez García Zárate) then went on to kill Kate Steinle. But that's a small price to pay for not deporting felonious illegals, right?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

When you and your ilk demonstrate some tiny spark of human empathy, I might consider entertaining your excuses for not having the conscience to hold cruel powers accountable.

Wow. Um. Does she realize that she is hiding behind her power and privilege as a mod here to be able to post such direct and hateful goading with impunity? The irony of doing so while complaining about powers not being held accountable...

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

In the same way that corporations like externalize the real cost of their workforce who have to use welfare, the "broken" immigration system of "wink-wink" non enforcement is a boon for them.

Isn't it kind of strange that leftists and corporations are on the same side of this issue?

Absolutely. It is a weirdly created alliance.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Do you have evidence that "LA city hall" would allow violent offenders to be released?

Why do you think they would be any different than San Francisco, another sanctuary city? And they most definitely did release a felon who was deported five times rather than turn him over to ICE. Of course, that illegal (José Inez García Zárate) then went on to kill Kate Steinle. But that's a small price to pay for not deporting felonious illegals, right?

Well, I'm very open to the possibility that I'm completely wrong. But it's been my experience that conservatives don't have evidence for their assertions. So, I'm very suspicious. But please prove me wrong. You're saying that evidence that authorities let violent offenders go free is Jose Inez Garcia Zarate's shooting of Kate Steinle. Good deal. We're making progress. Now, just to soothe my suspicious mind, could you tell us the specific violent offense that Jose committed in one of the five offenses?