In light of all the brouhaha about Kavenaugh, why no attention toward the Keith Ellison accusations?

[jonatha]

My brain is full. Do I need to know about Ellison now, too?

Depends.

Do you live in Minnesota?

 

[Jarhyn]

My brain is full. Do I need to know about Ellison now, too?

He is a fairly milquetoast congressperson running for MN AG, who is quite progressive; it is likely that he will take some manner of action against the police corruption/violence in Minneapolis, should he remain in the running and win his election. The previous AG is an anti-marijuana idiot who is running for governor of Minnesota, and who must be defeated at all costs lest we get a repeat of the last decade of backwards MJ policy.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

My brain is full. Do I need to know about Ellison now, too?

Depends.

Do you live in Minnesota?

No. And I only heard about Roy Moore because he was in the news in a hotly contested race where also the President was endorsing him. Otherwise, I would not have heard about him either...also Sacha Cohen later. As for Ellison, I've heard of him before and I know he has some fans but I don't pay attention to him and whether he's in a race. The first time I heard about this scandal was Derec's thread which sites a news article from 10:41pm the day before. Yet, Derec is trying to make it look like there is some double standard here. Anyway, I think the people of Minnesota in this guy's domain should definitely know more about this.

 

[Jarhyn]

My brain is full. Do I need to know about Ellison now, too?

Depends.

Do you live in Minnesota?

No. And I only heard about Roy Moore because he was in the news in a hotly contested race where also the President was endorsing him. Otherwise, I would not have heard about him either...also Sacha Cohen later. As for Ellison, I've heard of him before and I know he has some fans but I don't pay attention to him and whether he's in a race. The first time I heard about this scandal was Derec's thread which sites a news article from 10:41pm the day before. Yet, Derec is trying to make it look like there is some double standard here. Anyway, I think the people of Minnesota in this guy's domain should definitely know more about this.

Well, as a Minnesotan, I don't really care much about the AG other than the impacts it will have on police brutality/murder, and on low level MJ enforcement. Maybe the effects it will have on prosecution of crimes against minorities an women as well? Thing is, even if Ellison did it, I'd rather see him in the office because the only other alternative is an AG who will go easy on police violence, hard on immigrants, and double hard against MJ and minoities and who will go soft on crimes against women. It's a very hard decision.

 

[laughing dog]

My brain is full. Do I need to know about Ellison now, too?

He is a fairly milquetoast congressperson running for MN AG, who is quite progressive; it is likely that he will take some manner of action against the police corruption/violence in Minneapolis, should he remain in the running and win his election. The previous AG is an anti-marijuana idiot who is running for governor of Minnesota, and who must be defeated at all costs lest we get a repeat of the last decade of backwards MJ policy.

The previous AG - Lori Swanson - ran for re-election, quit her race after she was not endorsed at the DFL convention in the first vote, switched and ran for Democratic nomination for governor in the primaries and lost. Lori Swanson is not a candidate on the ballot for governor.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You are not very well informed about the allegations against Ellison. Monahan's adult son broke the story on Facebook on August 11. My computer is only limping along so I haven't been able to do a screen shot. But here is the c&p of his post:
https://www.vox.com/2018/8/13/17684222/keith-ellison-karen-monahan-minnesota-attorney-general-race



Karen Monahan is not the only person who alleges domestic abuse at the hands of Ellison:

https://www.scribd.com/document/386...60149026&source=hp_affiliate&medium=affiliate


As far as there being other exes who are not claiming domestic abuse: I guess that's your personal criteria for not crazy. The ones who don't claim abuse. Sounds about par for what I know about a lot of broken relationships.

They have a video. Show it to a reporter. If it shows what they say it does, I'll wholeheartedly take your side.

I also note the KE got a restraining order from the lady in the Republican news blog. She tried to get a harassment order against him and failed. Two differant judges sided with KE in two different cases brought between the two. We are only hearing one side of the issue but two judges heard both sides and both sided with Ellison.

Until I see something more concrete I'll side with Keith.

Roy Moore was a judge. Kavanaugh is a judge. Do you trust their judgement in such situations? Do you think they are all that unusual?

BTW, Anderson took out a restraining order against Ellison’s lawyer—for harassment. She is a pretty well known journalist for major media as well as a well- published author.

These women are not stupid bombers but are well educated professionals.

Why is it that you believe Kavanaugh’s accusers but not Ellison’s?

In other words, the evidence doesn't matter, the woman is always right.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

But here's the thing, Loren: How much difference do you think the level of inebriation makes to the victim? Or doesn't that matter? And whose line is it, anyway?

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One major difference is that the electorate has a choice with Keith Ellison and does not with Kavanaugh. As of 2 days ago, Ellison had a 5 percentage point lead in the polls over his Republican oppponent with 18% of the respondents still undecided (http://www.startribune.com/minnesota-poll-keith-ellison-leads-doug-wardlow-most-not-sure-about-abuse-allegation/493500621/). Meanwhile, the Republican Senate is steamrolling ahead with the Kavanaugh confirmation process.

Yup. Big difference.

Oh, I definitely see this as further indictment of the Republican Party. They passed reprehensible months ago.

I'm saying there's a big difference between going a little bit too far and stopping when called on it and going way too far.

 

[scombrid]

My brain is full. Do I need to know about Ellison now, too?

Depends.

Do you live in Minnesota?

No. And I only heard about Roy Moore because he was in the news in a hotly contested race where also the President was endorsing him.

Roy's Rock put him on the radar for me awhile back. Also, this time around he was running for a national office. Ellison is not. Ellison is running for state AG which is notches below Senator and SCOTUS.

The first time I heard about this scandal was Derec's thread which sites a news article from 10:41pm the day before. Yet, Derec is trying to make it look like there is some double standard here. Anyway, I think the people of Minnesota in this guy's domain should definitely know more about this.

Agreed. Minnesotans should pay attention to Ellison. I really don't need to hear much about it in Florida. Then again, I agree with those lamenting all the bad shit about Kavanaugh that is being ignored while a SEX SCANDAL is the headliner. Lazy fucking media not investigation shit and just chasing salacious ad grabbing stuff. (No, I'm not dismissing Ford's account. It paints Kavanaugh as a spoiled misogynistic prep school party boy that gets to be a raving abusive drunk in high school without consequence, something that us plebes have to avoid lest we get the life ending black mark on our permanent record. Plus I would hope that most of us aren't assholes that get abusive when drunk. I thought the Trumpsters were against the Chappaquiddick type elites and yet both of Trump's Supreme Court picks are preppies and they fucking love it).

 

[laughing dog]

Roy Moore was a judge. Kavanaugh is a judge. Do you trust their judgement in such situations? Do you think they are all that unusual?

BTW, Anderson took out a restraining order against Ellison’s lawyer—for harassment. She is a pretty well known journalist for major media as well as a well- published author.

These women are not stupid bombers but are well educated professionals.

Why is it that you believe Kavanaugh’s accusers but not Ellison’s?

In other words, the evidence doesn't matter, the woman is always right.

That is a delusional interpretation. It is clear the message is that these women are delusional or crazy.

 

[Jarhyn]

My brain is full. Do I need to know about Ellison now, too?

He is a fairly milquetoast congressperson running for MN AG, who is quite progressive; it is likely that he will take some manner of action against the police corruption/violence in Minneapolis, should he remain in the running and win his election. The previous AG is an anti-marijuana idiot who is running for governor of Minnesota, and who must be defeated at all costs lest we get a repeat of the last decade of backwards MJ policy.

The previous AG - Lori Swanson - ran for re-election, quit her race after she was not endorsed at the DFL convention in the first vote, switched and ran for Democratic nomination for governor in the primaries and lost. Lori Swanson is not a candidate on the ballot for governor.

Whew. Dodged a bullet there. Both of her opponents were pretty alright. Do you know off the top of your head who DID win, and what their policy positions are?

 

[laughing dog]

The previous AG - Lori Swanson - ran for re-election, quit her race after she was not endorsed at the DFL convention in the first vote, switched and ran for Democratic nomination for governor in the primaries and lost. Lori Swanson is not a candidate on the ballot for governor.

Whew. Dodged a bullet there. Both of her opponents were pretty alright. Do you know off the top of your head who DID win, and what their policy positions are?

Keith Ellison won the DFL party primary. Here is a link to his policy issue website (https://keithellison.org/issues). Doug Wardlpw won the Republican party primary. Here is a link to his policy issue website (https://www.dougwardlowag.com/policies).

 

[Worldtraveller]

Surprisingly (not), the OP hasn't returned to this thread. What prize do I win?

 

[phands]

Surprisingly (not), the OP hasn't returned to this thread. What prize do I win?

You can choose between a Crunchy Frog or a Spring Surprise .

 

[Jarhyn]

The previous AG - Lori Swanson - ran for re-election, quit her race after she was not endorsed at the DFL convention in the first vote, switched and ran for Democratic nomination for governor in the primaries and lost. Lori Swanson is not a candidate on the ballot for governor.

Whew. Dodged a bullet there. Both of her opponents were pretty alright. Do you know off the top of your head who DID win, and what their policy positions are?

Keith Ellison won the DFL party primary. Here is a link to his policy issue website (https://keithellison.org/issues). Doug Wardlpw won the Republican party primary. Here is a link to his policy issue website (https://www.dougwardlowag.com/policies).

No, I meant for GOV not for AG. I knew KE was running for AG, and was unopposed

 

[laughing dog]

Keith Ellison won the DFL party primary. Here is a link to his policy issue website (https://keithellison.org/issues). Doug Wardlpw won the Republican party primary. Here is a link to his policy issue website (https://www.dougwardlowag.com/policies).

No, I meant for GOV not for AG. I knew KE was running for AG, and was unopposed

KE is not running unopposed (see above). Tim Walz is the Democratic nominee for Governor, and Jeff Johnson is the Republican nominee. I believe there is a green party and an independence party candidate, but I don't know their names.

 

[Toni]

Roy Moore was a judge. Kavanaugh is a judge. Do you trust their judgement in such situations? Do you think they are all that unusual?

BTW, Anderson took out a restraining order against Ellison’s lawyer—for harassment. She is a pretty well known journalist for major media as well as a well- published author.

These women are not stupid bombers but are well educated professionals.

Why is it that you believe Kavanaugh’s accusers but not Ellison’s?

In other words, the evidence doesn't matter, the woman is always right.

That is a delusional interpretation. It is clear the message is that these women are delusional or crazy.

According to Loren and people like him: yes. It’s so much easier than actually considering that they are accurately relating events—and the consequences to the women who come forward—and this who haven’t. That’s pretty heavy stuff without even doing any reflection on their own behavior or attitudes nw or in the past.

 

[laughing dog]

My union plans to endorse Keith Ellison based purely on self-interest - he is less likely to take antagonistic action against unions, especially public employee unions than his Republican opponent.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

That is a delusional interpretation. It is clear the message is that these women are delusional or crazy.

According to Loren and people like him: yes. It’s so much easier than actually considering that they are accurately relating events—and the consequences to the women who come forward—and this who haven’t. That’s pretty heavy stuff without even doing any reflection on their own behavior or attitudes nw or in the past.

Two courts have sided with him, zero with her.

While that is not conclusive that strongly suggests that her claims are false--yet you don't care, you believe her anyway.

 

[Toni]

My union plans to endorse Keith Ellison based purely on self-interest - he is less likely to take antagonistic action against unions, especially public employee unions than his Republican opponent.

Shame on your union. Seriously. This is exactly how we get men like Clarence Thomas and Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court. Exactly.

 

[Toni]

That is a delusional interpretation. It is clear the message is that these women are delusional or crazy.

According to Loren and people like him: yes. It’s so much easier than actually considering that they are accurately relating events—and the consequences to the women who come forward—and this who haven’t. That’s pretty heavy stuff without even doing any reflection on their own behavior or attitudes nw or in the past.

Two courts have sided with him, zero with her.

While that is not conclusive that strongly suggests that her claims are false--yet you don't care, you believe her anyway.

What courts would those be, Loren?

One judge--ONE judge--not court but a judge-granted a restraining order against Alexander and one judge failed to grant her a restraining order against Ellison but did grant one against his attorney. This was during a time when Ellison was a prominent politician--he was a member of the Minnesota House of Representatives with a LOT of pull. He was nominated and won a national seat in Congress the following year.