In non-virus POTUS pettiness

[marc]

Tribe That Drew Trump’s Fire Over Casino Plan Loses Its Reservation Status

The full range of bullshit he has done that will need to be fixed will fill a library

 

[Politesse]

This will land in the Supreme Court to decide. I wonder what they will decide?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Tribe That Drew Trump’s Fire Over Casino Plan Loses Its Reservation Status

The full range of bullshit he has done that will need to be fixed will fill a library

Why do you say this is His Flatulence's action?

The tribe lost an important decision last month when the U.S. Court of Appeals in Boston upheld a lower court ruling that the federal government had not been authorized to take the tribal land into trust in 2015.

 

[repoman]

As an aside, I fucking hate casinos.

This is ruthless though.

 

[repoman]

Tribe That Drew Trump’s Fire Over Casino Plan Loses Its Reservation Status

The full range of bullshit he has done that will need to be fixed will fill a library

Why do you say this is His Flatulence's action?

The tribe lost an important decision last month when the U.S. Court of Appeals in Boston upheld a lower court ruling that the federal government had not been authorized to take the tribal land into trust in 2015.

Both could be true.

 

[marc]

Tribe That Drew Trump’s Fire Over Casino Plan Loses Its Reservation Status

The full range of bullshit he has done that will need to be fixed will fill a library

Why do you say this is His Flatulence's action?

The tribe lost an important decision last month when the U.S. Court of Appeals in Boston upheld a lower court ruling that the federal government had not been authorized to take the tribal land into trust in 2015.

Because of his history of being petty and vindictive. Using his position to fuck with people he was in conflict with before is certainly not out of character for him. However the part you pointed out would indicate that he at the very least did not initiate this. Had some influence on it? Maybe, but not his creation. My mistake.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Tribe That Drew Trump’s Fire Over Casino Plan Loses Its Reservation Status

The full range of bullshit he has done that will need to be fixed will fill a library

Why do you say this is His Flatulence's action?

The tribe lost an important decision last month when the U.S. Court of Appeals in Boston upheld a lower court ruling that the federal government had not been authorized to take the tribal land into trust in 2015.

The article implies Trump's deeper and relevant involvement. Trump got involved to keep the Senate from passing a law to provide what I think would have been Federal protection to keep the reservation. Currently, the tribe wasn't recognized in 1934, so that is what the court case was about. The bill in Congress last year would have addressed that.

Trump last year attacked the proposed federal Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe Reservation Reaffirmation Act, which sought to protect members’ “tribal homeland.” Trump blasted it as a “special interest casino bill” and used the name of a Native American hero as a slur against bill supporter Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), slamming her yet again as “Pocahontas.”

This would have made the Court decision null as it would have no longer required that the tribe have recognition via the 1934 Act.

 

[Derec]

Tribe That Drew Trump’s Fire Over Casino Plan Loses Its Reservation Status

The full range of bullshit he has done that will need to be fixed will fill a library

Reservations should not have a special status anyway. Indians should pay all the taxes regular Americans pay, and not have any special treatment before the law.
So-called "tribal sovereignty" is a scam. They want to be part of US when it suits them, but claim "sovereignty" to get special treatment. It should be either in or out, not whatever suits them best in any particular instance.

 

[Elixir]

Tribe That Drew Trump’s Fire Over Casino Plan Loses Its Reservation Status

The full range of bullshit he has done that will need to be fixed will fill a library

Reservations should not have a special status anyway. Indians should pay all the taxes regular Americans pay, and not have any special treatment before the law.
So-called "tribal sovereignty" is a scam. They want to be part of US when it suits them, but claim "sovereignty" to get special treatment. It should be either in or out, not whatever suits them best in any particular instance.

Oh yeah, the native American population gets SUCH special treatment from the invaders. Why don't you go back to where your ancestors came, Derec? Because might makes right?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Tribe That Drew Trump’s Fire Over Casino Plan Loses Its Reservation Status

The full range of bullshit he has done that will need to be fixed will fill a library

Reservations should not have a special status anyway. Indians should pay all the taxes regular Americans pay, and not have any special treatment before the law.
So-called "tribal sovereignty" is a scam. They want to be part of US when it suits them, but claim "sovereignty" to get special treatment. It should be either in or out, not whatever suits them best in any particular instance.

Who are Indiana you are talking about? These are Native Americans, not people from India. It may also be worth reading up on the complicated relationship the government has with Native Americans that has led us to this point.

And if you think Native Americans really have it so good... well... I suppose we can’t expect you to learn.

 

[Politesse]

Tribe That Drew Trump’s Fire Over Casino Plan Loses Its Reservation Status

The full range of bullshit he has done that will need to be fixed will fill a library

Reservations should not have a special status anyway. Indians should pay all the taxes regular Americans pay, and not have any special treatment before the law.
So-called "tribal sovereignty" is a scam. They want to be part of US when it suits them, but claim "sovereignty" to get special treatment. It should be either in or out, not whatever suits them best in any particular instance.

So you want us obsessively enforce national identity on everyone, but also to ignore what the Constitutional law actually says about the nature of US/Indian relations? Talk about special pleading. The idea that only Congress can negotiate treaties, that such treaties are binding, and that this applies to treaties with the sovereign Native nations is as old as the Marshall Court and has not been meaningfully gainsaid. You can't insist that everyone has or should have equal rights under the Law, then advocate denying people the rights that the same Law guarantees them. If you don't want to deal with the complications of empire, seek out a nation without imperial holdings; as long as the US continues to claim plenary rights over Indian land, the ambiguity and unfairness of the situation the tribes living there find themselves in will always be there.

 

[Derec]

So you want us obsessively enforce national identity on everyone,

Huh?

but also to ignore what the Constitutional law actually says about the nature of US/Indian relations?

Laws can change. Your side wants Congress to pass a law to "recognize" this tribe and give them special benefits and exemptions from general laws. But Congress could pass laws going the other way and finally fix this problem.
This current practice to give Indians special status in perpetuity is ridiculous. And it's not working for many Indians either (see Pine Ridge) although Casino Indians are getting incredibly wealthy off their monopoly on gambling.

Talk about special pleading.

Current special treatment of Indians is special pleading. If y'all want to be US citizens you should be US citizens, subject to all the laws (such as tax laws or laws prohibiting things like ritual child abuse [aka "Sun Dance"]) other US citizens are subject to. If you want to be sovereign, you should pay for your own roads, education, health system, police and border enforcement. This picking and choosing needs to end!

You can't insist that everyone has or should have equal rights under the Law,

Current state of Indian relations gives Indians special treatment under the Law though.

then advocate denying people the rights that the same Law guarantees them.

Originally Indians were not considered US citizens. After the US citizenship was granted to Indians, that should have been the end of these treaties, as Indian tribes are not sovereign nations in any meaningful sense. They were still meaningfully sovereign nations during the time of Marshall 200 years ago though, so there is a big difference.

If you don't want to deal with the complications of empire, seek out a nation without imperial holdings; as long as the US continues to claim plenary rights over Indian land, the ambiguity and unfairness of the situation the tribes living there find themselves in will always be there.

The borders of every country shifted in history. Why should Indians have special rights in perpetuity just because they lost territory?

Now, I do think individual descendants of Indians should be paid compensation INDIVIDUALLY (not controlled by corrupt tribal officials) and that should be the end of any special treatment. Alternatively, some Indians could petition for independence but that would mean that they would have to pay for everything their own way. What needs to end is this "have your cake and eat it too" nonsense where Indians don't pay taxes, get wealthy off monopoly casinos and then the state and federal government pays for their police, roads, schools etc.

 

[Derec]

Oh yeah, the native American population gets SUCH special treatment from the invaders.

They do.

Why don't you go back to where your ancestors came, Derec?

Why don't the Indians [aka Sibieran Americans] do the same?

Because might makes right?

Reality is that wars of conquest have happened throughout history. Why is the European conquest of America singled out? Do you think Turks should give up Eastern Thrace and Asia Minor and go back where they came from (Central Asia) for example?

[stupid and racist quote by some Indian]
I guess racist stereotyping is ok, progressive even, when it's against white people, eh?

 

[Derec]

Who are Indiana you are talking about?

American Indians. Feather, not dot.

These are Native Americans, not people from India.

I never said they were from India, but they are not "native" either, contrary to their creationist mythology. They hail from Siberia, but if you go even further they are from Africa like all of us.

It may also be worth reading up on the complicated relationship the government has with Native Americans that has led us to this point.

I have. I know it's complicated. That is not a reason to perpetuate a broken system, much less to expand it further.
We need to work toward resolving the issue, but of course, many Indians (esp. casino Indians) benefit mightily from this broken system.

And if you think Native Americans really have it so good

Not all of them. Pine Ridge is a disgrace, in no small part due to the broken Indian policies and laws that I decry.
But many Indians get exceedingly wealthy off things like casino monopolies and tax exemptions, and they fight tooth and nail to keep their lucrative privileges. I suspect Politesse is one of those Indians benefiting from the special privileges she is being granted for being Indian.

... well... I suppose we can’t expect you to learn.

I don't expect you to learn either. Despite things like Indians not having to pay expensive car California registration fees for their Mercedeses because as Indians they enjoy special rights and privileges.

Look for example at this tribe in California. Members get $30,000 per month just for being casino Indians and having a monopoly business. Can you really claim that they don't "have it so good"?

 

[Politesse]

Huh?

Laws can change. Your side wants Congress to pass a law to "recognize" this tribe and give them special benefits and exemptions from general laws.

My "side" (didn't realize I had one?) is not trying to pass anything, this is already the law. If you want to change the way international treaties are negotiated, good luck trying. The baboon is still in office, so the timing has never been better.

The rest of your post is mostly just straight-up inaccurate. Native Americans constitute the poorest demographic in the country, they as individuals are taxed like anyone else (it's tribes as collective entities that are tax-exempt, not citizens) and a very small number of people receive any revenue whatsoever from the 400 or so casinos that are the topic of so much Republican ire. There are more than 5.4 million Native American people in the US, and the vast majority, about 4 in 5, aren't enrolled in a recognized tribe at all, let alone one with a casino business.

 

[Elixir]

Huh?

Laws can change. Your side wants Congress to pass a law to "recognize" this tribe and give them special benefits and exemptions from general laws.

My "side" (didn't realize I had one?) is not trying to pass anything, this is already the law. If you want to change the way international treaties are negotiated, good luck trying. The baboon is still in office, so the timing has never been better.

The rest of your post is mostly just straight-up inaccurate. Native Americans constitute the poorest demographic in the country, they as individuals are taxed like anyone else (it's tribes as collective entities that are tax-exempt, not citizens) and a very small number of people receive any revenue whatsoever from the 400 or so casinos that are the topic of so much Republican ire. There are more than 5.4 million Native American people in the US, and the vast majority, about 4 in 5, aren't enrolled in a recognized tribe at all, let alone one with a casino business.

It riles up the conservotards no end, when red people end up with Joe Sixpack's lunch money. Even when Joe freely offers it up.
They're supposed to go back to the dirt patch we white benefactors gave them out of the goodness of our hearts, and keep their filthy red hands off our beautiful green money.

 

[Keith&Co.]

It riles up the conservotards no end, when red people end up with Joe Sixpack's lunch money. Even when Joe freely offers it up.
They're supposed to go back to the dirt patch we white benefactors gave them out of the goodness of our hearts, and keep their filthy red hands off our beautiful green money.

it really seems to me tgat Derec's problem is no one ever told him he's special. No agency ever cut him a check (that everyone else wasn't getting), no grass roots movement ever advocated for him to be able to do something (that wasn't available to everyone else), no one's ever forced a restaurant chain to hew to his dietary preferences, no one's donated time and money in the cause of his age group, race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation bumper sticker could do or have something unique to him, or a small group of hims.
The jealousy rages. Thus, any policy treating anyone different gives them 'special rights' he cannot access.

 

[Elixir]

It riles up the conservotards no end, when red people end up with Joe Sixpack's lunch money. Even when Joe freely offers it up.
They're supposed to go back to the dirt patch we white benefactors gave them out of the goodness of our hearts, and keep their filthy red hands off our beautiful green money.

it really seems to me tgat Derec's problem is no one ever told him he's special. No agency ever cut him a check (that everyone else wasn't getting), no grass roots movement ever advocated for him to be able to do something (that wasn't available to everyone else), no one's ever forced a restaurant chain to hew to his dietary preferences, no one's donated time and money in the cause of his age group, race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation bumper sticker could do or have something unique to him, or a small group of hims.
The jealousy rages. Thus, any policy treating anyone different gives them 'special rights' he cannot access.

Jesus, now you have ME all up in arms. I want my goddam special treatment!

 

[Keith&Co.]

It riles up the conservotards no end, when red people end up with Joe Sixpack's lunch money. Even when Joe freely offers it up.
They're supposed to go back to the dirt patch we white benefactors gave them out of the goodness of our hearts, and keep their filthy red hands off our beautiful green money.

it really seems to me tgat Derec's problem is no one ever told him he's special. No agency ever cut him a check (that everyone else wasn't getting), no grass roots movement ever advocated for him to be able to do something (that wasn't available to everyone else), no one's ever forced a restaurant chain to hew to his dietary preferences, no one's donated time and money in the cause of his age group, race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation bumper sticker could do or have something unique to him, or a small group of hims.
The jealousy rages. Thus, any policy treating anyone different gives them 'special rights' he cannot access.

Jesus, now you have ME all up in arms. I want my goddam special treatment!

Oh, but YOU'RE special, Elixir. Just like Mommy used to tell you.

 

[Politesse]

It riles up the conservotards no end, when red people end up with Joe Sixpack's lunch money. Even when Joe freely offers it up.
They're supposed to go back to the dirt patch we white benefactors gave them out of the goodness of our hearts, and keep their filthy red hands off our beautiful green money.

it really seems to me tgat Derec's problem is no one ever told him he's special. No agency ever cut him a check (that everyone else wasn't getting), no grass roots movement ever advocated for him to be able to do something (that wasn't available to everyone else), no one's ever forced a restaurant chain to hew to his dietary preferences, no one's donated time and money in the cause of his age group, race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation bumper sticker could do or have something unique to him, or a small group of hims.
The jealousy rages. Thus, any policy treating anyone different gives them 'special rights' he cannot access.

But the entire system already caters to his special desires and cultural expectations - what could such an organization advocate for?