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It will be Clinton v. Trump, and Clinton will win

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Man, I love sticking my neck out, so my election prediction is as follows: Both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump will win their party's respective nominations, but Hillary will go on to defeat Trump in the general election.

First, I love Bernie!!!! I do indeed feel the Bern. But he is not a serious presidential candidate and could not govern if he won. And while he is doing well in the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, those are basically his only strong constituency. He'll lose everywhere else even if he does win those two. Most democrats realize he is less electable than Clinton; although admittedly, even he might beat the Donald. I'd sure help!

That leaves Donald to win the nomination. Polls show him doing well nationally as well as New Hampshire and South Carolina. Polls are mixed in Iowa. recent polls on the Republican debate show that 2/3 of the Repubs think he won. http://www.270towin.com/news/2016/01/15/66-say-trump-won-republican-debate_179.html#.Vp6GziorKUk

There does not seem to be anyone who can truly effectively challenge him. Personally I think it's a sign that the Repub party has gone off the deep end, and fortunately so do many other people, who aren't necessarily progressive types.

So it comes down to the electoral college and getting 270 or more EVs. The way I see it, Hillary likely has 263 EVs pretty much locked up (barring major catastrophe and/or unknown black swans). This includes both Iowa and Nevada with 6 EV's a piece. Recent polling in Iowa show her trouncing Trump there and it's generally a blue state - trending even more that way over the years. Same with Nevada, it was kind of red in the past but has trended blue, if not solidly, close enough to call it for her most likely.

That leaves basically 4 states in play: Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, and Florida. Just one of those gets Hillary over the top. Right now recent polls in Virginia have Clinton trouncing Trump. Virginia has trended more and more blue over the course of several decades. It's going to be hard to win that one back. Same is true of Ohio over the past few years, but there aren't any good recent polls with those two in it. We'll see. Florida may go red but only if Trump picks a Florida running mate such as Rubio. He might indeed do that. But it's still not a slam dunk even if Rubio is picked. I don't see Trump picking Jeb. Excuse me: Jeb! (gotta get it right.)

Other states that may come into play include: North Carolina, Georgia, Indiana, and even maybe, just possibly: Texas. Texas will trend bluer and bluer over the next 10 years, but I wouldn't expect it to go full blue until 2028 or 2032.

The problems with this prediction though are that there can be no really great surprises in 2016. The economy must continue to grow - even if it is not as fast as it should be. There can't be any horrific terrorist attacks in the U.S. There can't be other international crisis that deflect the attention of the voters too much. I suspect that there won't be, but there will always be scares and other issues throwing up their ugly head. The other Black Swan out there lurking is Hillary's health. She ain't no spring chicken anymore, and she's had one fainting spell. Of course Trump could have the same problem. And finally there's an assumption that the email scandal tracking Hillary won't totally blow up on her and there will be no smoking gun to indicate her doing something awful that utterly turns the voters off. For the most part though I think the damage from that scandal has already passed, but we will see.

SLD
 
Nothing to argue against, seeing I have no idea what happens with the Republican candidacy.

However, you are forgetting one minor thing (about surprises)... about 89183 seats in the Senate are up for election, and then there is the House too. The RNC is (or at least was) worried about a Trump candidacy hurting down the ticket. If Clinton wins, that leads to the next question, what happens with the Senate (likely to swing just barely to the Dems) and the House (tightened Republican majority)? Could Trump lead to a major swing to the Dems in both houses?
 
Nothing to argue against, seeing I have no idea what happens with the Republican candidacy.

However, you are forgetting one minor thing (about surprises)... about 89183 seats in the Senate are up for election, and then there is the House too. The RNC is (or at least was) worried about a Trump candidacy hurting down the ticket. If Clinton wins, that leads to the next question, what happens with the Senate (likely to swing just barely to the Dems) and the House (tightened Republican majority)? Could Trump lead to a major swing to the Dems in both houses?

I think so. If Trump doesn't win, a lot of the Trump voters are going to stay home on election day in a hissy fit because of it and that will help the Dems pick up some seats. If Trump does win, a lot of non-Trump voters are going to stay home in a hissy fit and a hell of a lot of people are going to come out to vote against Trump and it will seriously help the Dems pick up a lot of seats.

Trump is the end product of the self-destructive course that the GOP has been pursuing over the past several years and he has the potential to blow them up.
 
Nothing to argue against, seeing I have no idea what happens with the Republican candidacy.

However, you are forgetting one minor thing (about surprises)... about 89183 seats in the Senate are up for election, and then there is the House too. The RNC is (or at least was) worried about a Trump candidacy hurting down the ticket. If Clinton wins, that leads to the next question, what happens with the Senate (likely to swing just barely to the Dems) and the House (tightened Republican majority)? Could Trump lead to a major swing to the Dems in both houses?

I think so. If Trump doesn't win, a lot of the Trump voters are going to stay home on election day in a hissy fit because of it and that will help the Dems pick up some seats. If Trump does win, a lot of non-Trump voters are going to stay home in a hissy fit and a hell of a lot of people are going to come out to vote against Trump and it will seriously help the Dems pick up a lot of seats.

Trump is the end product of the self-destructive course that the GOP has been pursuing over the past several years and he has the potential to blow them up.
It is still to be determined just how many Trump supporters are typical Republican voters. With the polling be up so high, there has to be at least a good deal of Republican voters there. I do wonder, how many are registered Republicans? That could be an issue come voting day.
 
There is absolutely no reason to count Sanders out. I feel that the corporate media have distracted you from the polls that show Sanders taking off. One poll showed Sanders beating tRUMP by 15% more than Clinton would beat him. Just saying you don't have to lean on that old battleaxe who really only offers MORE OF THE SAME CRAP...MORE WAR, MORE WALL ST. BULLSHIT, MORE SPYING, MORE DRONES, ETC. ETC. MORE OF THE SAME. That is why Sanders does so well. He challenges this stuff while Clinton is corruption's best friend.:thinking:
 
There is absolutely no reason to count Sanders out. I feel that the corporate media have distracted you from the polls that show Sanders taking off. One poll showed Sanders beating tRUMP by 15% more than Clinton would beat him.
One word, minorities. Sanders has to pry them away from Clinton. That is going to be an extremely tall order. Sanders can do well in the Northeast, mainly New England, probably Washington and Oregon, but the South has a good number of delegates and California is the huge prize that comes at the end.

Sanders most likely won't win the nomination. He would likely beat Trump, as an egg salad sandwich would beat Trump.
Just saying you don't have to lean on that old battleaxe who really only offers MORE OF THE SAME CRAP...MORE WAR, MORE WALL ST. BULLSHIT, MORE SPYING, MORE DRONES, ETC. ETC. MORE OF THE SAME. That is why Sanders does so well. He challenges this stuff while Clinton is corruption's best friend.:thinking:
No, she is an outsider, because she is a woman. :D
 
One word, minorities. Sanders has to pry them away from Clinton. That is going to be an extremely tall order. Sanders can do well in the Northeast, mainly New England, probably Washington and Oregon, but the South has a good number of delegates and California is the huge prize that comes at the end.

Sanders most likely won't win the nomination. He would likely beat Trump, as an egg salad sandwich would beat Trump.
Just saying you don't have to lean on that old battleaxe who really only offers MORE OF THE SAME CRAP...MORE WAR, MORE WALL ST. BULLSHIT, MORE SPYING, MORE DRONES, ETC. ETC. MORE OF THE SAME. That is why Sanders does so well. He challenges this stuff while Clinton is corruption's best friend.:thinking:
No, she is an outsider, because she is a woman. :D
:pigsfly:

She is an outsider just like I am the decider. You better take a closer look at the polls. Sanders will win New Hampshire and is dead even with the old woman in Iowa. Clinton is really a Republican Lite and total sellout to big pharma, private prisons, Walmart, the military industrial racket...all the players that have robbed us and helped sour our economy. It will be a cold day in hell when I vote for that bitch.:eek:
 
So, Clinton beats Sanders and then beats Trump. The question is then, what happens afterwards to the GOP? There will be a battle to take over the GOP. It will essentially for a few years break up into more local parties trying to elect governors and state legislatures. At the top, who knows. Faction against faction. Again, all dedicated to obstructionism.
Clinton does not strike me as a charismatic leader able rise above this circus. Not long term. Where do the Democrats go even if she wins?

Sanders at least offers a change, a direction, some sort of plan. Clinton not so much one can identify. The GOP only offers us bitter craziness.
 
One word, minorities. Sanders has to pry them away from Clinton. That is going to be an extremely tall order. Sanders can do well in the Northeast, mainly New England, probably Washington and Oregon, but the South has a good number of delegates and California is the huge prize that comes at the end.

Sanders most likely won't win the nomination. He would likely beat Trump, as an egg salad sandwich would beat Trump.
No, she is an outsider, because she is a woman. :D
:pigsfly:

She is an outsider just like I am the decider. You better take a closer look at the polls. Sanders will win New Hampshire and is dead even with the old woman in Iowa.
But he can't win the South and is struggling in Nevada. Winning the white vote gets you the nomination of the Republican Party, not the Democrat Party.

As an aside, my eyes nearly popped out of my head when I clicked on South Carolina Dem polls and saw Sanders ahead... only to realize that it opened the New Hampshire poll.
Clinton is really a Republican Lite and total sellout to big pharma, private prisons, Walmart, the military industrial racket...all the players that have robbed us and helped sour our economy. It will be a cold day in hell when I vote for that bitch.:eek:
And if Trump is running, that may not put the Supreme Court in danger.
 
There is absolutely no reason to count Sanders out. I feel that the corporate media have distracted you from the polls that show Sanders taking off. One poll showed Sanders beating tRUMP by 15% more than Clinton would beat him. Just saying you don't have to lean on that old battleaxe who really only offers MORE OF THE SAME CRAP...MORE WAR, MORE WALL ST. BULLSHIT, MORE SPYING, MORE DRONES, ETC. ETC. MORE OF THE SAME. That is why Sanders does so well. He challenges this stuff while Clinton is corruption's best friend.:thinking:
Again, though Sanders can win both New Hampshire and Iowa. But he can't win the south. He loses the nomination on Super Tuesday. He's also not going to win New York. I agree though that he could beat Trump. Trump is insane.

SLD
 
So you like Sanders but don't think he can beat Hillary? Well, vote for him in the primaries, then! It's not like you are robbing Hillary if you vote against her in the primaries, if you are right, and if you are wrong, well, you DO get Bernie.
 
As much as I'd like to think the US would not nominate Trump, let alone elect Trump, I cannot categorically rule out that nightmarish possibility. Even though I do not want to see a Trump Presidency, I don't really want to see a Clinton Presidency either.
 
As much as I'd like to think the US would not nominate Trump, let alone elect Trump, I cannot categorically rule out that nightmarish possibility. Even though I do not want to see a Trump Presidency, I don't really want to see a Clinton Presidency either.
Hillary will do what she is told, and that is a big problem. The good thing about Trump (and yes there are many negatives), is that he will think for himself. There is zero chance of that with Hillary, and so the problems that have beset America this century will continue, and that is a pity.
Hillary is a submissive and she will continue to be. Not good for a president, when you have woeful advisers and bureaucrats telling you what to do
 
As much as I'd like to think the US would not nominate Trump, let alone elect Trump, I cannot categorically rule out that nightmarish possibility. Even though I do not want to see a Trump Presidency, I don't really want to see a Clinton Presidency either.
But it is two completely different levels of not wanting. I don't want to be shot... and I don't want to get stuck in traffic.

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Palin endorses Trump!VP?
That is almost unthinkable. The excerpts from her speech curdled my blood. Are we entering Mussolini territory now? That's right folks, two dictators in that war... and Mussolini references don't have a fallacy yet! :)
 
As much as I'd like to think the US would not nominate Trump, let alone elect Trump, I cannot categorically rule out that nightmarish possibility. Even though I do not want to see a Trump Presidency, I don't really want to see a Clinton Presidency either.
Hillary will do what she is told, and that is a big problem. The good thing about Trump (and yes there are many negatives), is that he will think for himself. There is zero chance of that with Hillary, and so the problems that have beset America this century will continue, and that is a pity.
Hillary is a submissive and she will continue to be. Not good for a president, when you have woeful advisers and bureaucrats telling you what to do

Ya, but the problem with Trump is that he will think for himself. And he sucks at the whole thinking thing.
 
As much as I'd like to think the US would not nominate Trump, let alone elect Trump, I cannot categorically rule out that nightmarish possibility. Even though I do not want to see a Trump Presidency, I don't really want to see a Clinton Presidency either.
Hillary will do what she is told, and that is a big problem. The good thing about Trump (and yes there are many negatives), is that he will think for himself. There is zero chance of that with Hillary, and so the problems that have beset America this century will continue, and that is a pity.
Hillary is a submissive and she will continue to be. Not good for a president, when you have woeful advisers and bureaucrats telling you what to do
Wait, who is pulling Hillary Clinton's strings? I mean other than where the money lives. It is one thing to be a Corporationist. It is another thing to be a puppet like W.
 
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