Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Ferguson

[repoman]

when you do diversity workshop and a white person asks why don't black people clean up their own behavior instead of blaming others, what happens?

 

[Trausti]

"diversity workshop"

Idiocracy came 500 years early.

 

[Derec]

Good think the report doesn't say that.

Then it is interesting that the OP chose that finding to highlight. So, what is DOJ's evidence that the discrepancy in stop/arrest rates is due to "systematic discrimination" and not a disparate rate of lawbreaking?

Not very surprising that a police force that is overwhelming white (over 90% at the time) for a population that is mostly black (over 60%) in the St. Louis area has such problems. At least not to the people I know who grew up or live there.

Again, you jump to conclusion based on the race of the police officers.

 

[Wizardry]

Then it is interesting that the OP chose that finding to highlight. So, what is DOJ's evidence that the discrepancy in stop/arrest rates is due to "systematic discrimination" and not a disparate rate of lawbreaking?

Ummm....

During the period 2012-2014 black drivers were twice as likely as white drivers to be searched during traffic stops, but 26% less likely to be found in possession of contraband.

 

[Derec]

I would start by asking myself how many young black men hanging out is too many.

Do you see a difference between hanging out and loitering?

Speaking of Ferguson and stopping/ticketing people, what about jaywalking? That is what Michael Brown and his friend were doing when Wilson first encountered them. Just yesterday, as I was driving past Chamblee High School a group of black teens crossed the road right in front of me! And they were also moving deliberately slowly, taking their time. Now, if a cop had witnessed this, don't you think that they would have deserved a ticket? Or would that have drawn the ire of the Holder DOJ?

 

[Derec]

During the period 2012-2014 black drivers were twice as likely as white drivers to be searched during traffic stops, but 26% less likely to be found in possession of contraband.

So were they searched just because they were black or because they rode with a crazy friend or a crazy woman?


Seriously I do not know if this indicates a racial bias or if it is a symptom of something else. Both are possible.

 

[Horatio Parker]

I would start by asking myself how many young black men hanging out is too many.

Do you see a difference between hanging out and loitering?

Speaking of Ferguson and stopping/ticketing people, what about jaywalking? That is what Michael Brown and his friend were doing when Wilson first encountered them. Just yesterday, as I was driving past Chamblee High School a group of black teens crossed the road right in front of me! And they were also moving deliberately slowly, taking their time. Now, if a cop had witnessed this, don't you think that they would have deserved a ticket? Or would that have drawn the ire of the Holder DOJ?

The point of the question: are white teens who hang out noticed in the same way? Are they a problem? Presumably not, since no one has mentioned it. So the problem is "too many" black kids, who "might" pick up some bad habits.

The stench of fear....

 

[Derec]

The point of the question: are white teens who hang out noticed in the same way? Are they a problem? Presumably not, since no one has mentioned it. So the problem is "too many" black kids, who "might" pick up some bad habits.

I don't know. I know whom I almost drove into yesterday. I think I would have noticed them just the same if they had been white though.
I also remember that when we discussed Michael Brown and him walking in the middle of the street somebody on here was claiming that jaywalking was part of "African American cultural identity" or some such and that it thus wasn't fair to ticket them for that or some nonsense like that.

 

[Horatio Parker]

The point of the question: are white teens who hang out noticed in the same way? Are they a problem? Presumably not, since no one has mentioned it. So the problem is "too many" black kids, who "might" pick up some bad habits.

I don't know. I know whom I almost drove into yesterday. I think I would have noticed them just the same if they had been white though.
I also remember that when we discussed Michael Brown and him walking in the middle of the street somebody on here was claiming that jaywalking was part of "African American cultural identity" or some such and that it thus wasn't fair to ticket them for that or some nonsense like that.

Teens will be irritating. The appropriate reaction is boredom. Sending a cop after them is ridiculous.

 

[laughing dog]

Then it is interesting that the OP chose that finding to highlight.

Actually, the snippet highlighted three specific items: targeting blacks disproportionately for traffic stops, use of force, and jail sentences. Clearly the DOJ is not basing its reported conclusion on traffic stop data as you claimed.

So, what is DOJ's evidence that the discrepancy in stop/arrest rates is due to "systematic discrimination" and not a disparate rate of lawbreaking?

I have not read the report and neither have you.

Again, you jump to conclusion based on the race of the police officers.

The only conclusion I drew is that the finding is not surprising, not that is necessarily true or false. However, I based that on the fact I grew up in that area and the observations of my friends and family who still live in the area (including some police ). One would think the qualifier At least not to the people I know who grew up or live there. would have made that obvious to even the most obtuse.

 

[RavenSky]

I also remember that when we discussed Michael Brown and him walking in the middle of the street somebody on here was claiming that jaywalking was part of "African American cultural identity" or some such and that it thus wasn't fair to ticket them for that or some nonsense like that.

I challenge you to go find an actual quote with link on that one. I suspect you *remember* a lot of stuff that wasn't said how you remember it. If I am wrong, and you produce any member of this board actually saying what you above claim they said, I will apologize to you. Until then...

 

[AthenaAwakened]

when you do diversity workshop and a white person asks why don't black people clean up their own behavior instead of blaming others, what happens?

Actually I don't get asked that in workshops. It's harder to be an asshole when the person is right in front of you holding the piece the paper that decides if you keep your job or not.

 

[Derec]

Actually I don't get asked that in workshops. It's harder to be an asshole when the person is right in front of you holding the piece the paper that decides if you keep your job or not.

And I bet yoyu cherish this illicit power to punish all the crackers who dare say anything politically incorrect or speak truth to power.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Actually I don't get asked that in workshops. It's harder to be an asshole when the person is right in front of you holding the piece the paper that decides if you keep your job or not.

And I bet yoyu cherish this illicit power to punish all the crackers who dare say anything politically incorrect or speak truth to power.

Klassy.

 

[Derec]

I challenge you to go find an actual quote with link on that one. I suspect you *remember* a lot of stuff that wasn't said how you remember it. If I am wrong, and you produce any member of this board actually saying what you above claim they said, I will apologize to you. Until then...

The original thread ("Michael Brown Shooting and Aftermath" but should have been called "Dying for Swisher Sweets")was 90+ pages! There is also a possibility that I remember it from a different forum. In any case, I remember it said.

 

[Derec]

Actually, the snippet highlighted three specific items: targeting blacks disproportionately for traffic stops, use of force, and jail sentences. Clearly the DOJ is not basing its reported conclusion on traffic stop data as you claimed.

All of these are disparate rates of various things which could be due to factors correlated to race rather than race itself. Things like outstanding warrants.

I have not read the report and neither have you.

Hence my question.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Actually, the snippet highlighted three specific items: targeting blacks disproportionately for traffic stops, use of force, and jail sentences. Clearly the DOJ is not basing its reported conclusion on traffic stop data as you claimed.

So, what is DOJ's evidence that the discrepancy in stop/arrest rates is due to "systematic discrimination" and not a disparate rate of lawbreaking?

I have not read the report and neither have you.

Again, you jump to conclusion based on the race of the police officers.

The only conclusion I drew is that the finding is not surprising, not that is necessarily true or false. However, I based that on the fact I grew up in that area and the observations of my friends and family who still live in the area (including some police ). One would think the qualifier At least not to the people I know who grew up or live there. would have made that obvious to even the most obtuse.

I'm with Derec. There is absolutely nothing that stands out about a town of 21,000 people have 16,000 with outstanding arrest warrants (mainly over petty issues). The White House is making this an issue over race when race has nothing to do with it, because the White House is being run by a black man. And there is nothing suspicious about me raising the race of the President out of the blue like that.

Blacks were also far more likely to be hit with petty offenses like jaywalking, disturbing the peace and "failure to comply," according to investigators. From 2011 to 2013, blacks accounted for 92 percent or more of people who faced such charges.

In the real world, we call this a Red Flag. I'm sorry I had to bring color into the conversation like that. Link

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Actually I don't get asked that in workshops. It's harder to be an asshole when the person is right in front of you holding the piece the paper that decides if you keep your job or not.

And I bet yoyu cherish this illicit power to punish all the crackers who dare say anything politically incorrect or speak truth to power.

no Derec.

Assholes tend to be cowards and they need the anonymity of the internet or the cover of a mob to say shit they know is shit. They cower at thought of actually having to back shit up face to face without either overwhelming power of absolute cover.

but you already know that.

 

[repoman]

The furthest I have gone about talking about race at work to a black coworker is in comparing just how equally intensely violent some american blacks can be compared to say Russians.

 

[scombrid]

nevermind. late to party.