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It goes to show even the blacks with a history of oppression can be oppressive.

Last year in a conversation with a black guy I met he claimed the reason black music artists use offense and extreme language is because Jews control the muisc business. Jews force the language to increase sales.



The thing is Jews practice their religion and rituals without bothering anyone. Unlike the in your face Christians which are anoying to say the least..

It came out Mormons were baptizing dead Jews from the Holocaust in a ceremony.
 

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Call me when black people storm the Jewish capital because of things Kanye West said. I'll be outraged right along with you.
What bothers me is that this shit is becoming normalized outdoors again. Millions were massacred over this anti-Semitic shit. Fuck Kayne West. Some people actually care what this fucker says and he has influence. Too bad he couldn't have done with a Winehouse instead of Amy.

It is like the damn calendar in 1999 just flipped to 1900. We are in the 20's now, and we are seeing a return of the stupid shit from the early portion of the century, from invasions, pandemic denial, and anti-Semitism and bigotry. It is fucking 2022 and black communities (<--- fucking plural) don't have clean water?! Are you fucking kidding me?!
 

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Kanye West's statement is bigoted, idiotic and hateful. That does not make "oppressive". Nor should it surprise anyone who has been awake for more than 10 minutes that anyone of any demographic can be an asshole. That a black person or an Asian or a white person can say something shitty demonstrates absolutely nothing.

BTW. Mormons have been baptizing dead non-believers of all sorts for over a century. It is part of their belief that in order to get into Mormon heaven, you need to get baptized.

So, all in all, I really don't see how the OP provides any actual new information.
 

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Kanye is an idiot. If you listen to the interviews he's comparing the Holocaust to black abortion rates to argue that there is a black Holocaust going on right now. People are making a major deal out of Kanye's comments for the wrong reason for example Steve claiming blacks can be oppressive. While individual black people can be oppressive using Kanye's argument as a case in point for it is racist as fuck. Kanye's argument to put it simply is a stupid one. You don't need to bring the holocaust into the discussion of abortion rates amongst blacks. Those numbers speak for themselves. He's also a Christian that is anti abortion and has the usual Christian arguments against it. Nothing special about Kanye, and to claim black folks are going to collectively rally around this guy is silly (and racist). We have our own individual opinions of this guy just like any other race. If anything you may as well say a whole bunch of white people will rally around Kanye because that's the demographic he makes the most money from.
 

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Kanye West is mentally ill and should be medicated. It would be in his self-interest to get on medication and after a week of mental benefit figure out how to make a sincere public apology. No one should be basing their politics on anything this mentally ill man says and further, I don't think it makes much sense to have political discussion of his problems either. Thus, any political rant referring to Kanye West's anti-semitic views that contains an element of "...see, look, a minority says..." deserves an additional face-palm more than the double-face palm it ordinarily would entail. Yes, the dreaded triple face palm.

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It goes to show even the blacks with a history of oppression can be oppressive bigoted.
FIFY

Also, this was never in doubt. Bigotry is hardly just a white thing. The racism (in the US) is a white thing, but that is too nuanced for some people to understand... even when what they wrote "history of oppression" indicates they do see it.
 

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Kanye appears to be very anti establishment in his rants more than anti-Semite from what I have read, which is not much. I've always thought of him as being a bit unhinged and he seems to have got caught up in a Mel Gibson moment.
 

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Mel Gibson was drunk and uninhibited to share his opinion. Kayne West appears to be doing this quite sober.
 

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It goes to show even the blacks with a history of oppression can be oppressive.

Last year in a conversation with a black guy I met he claimed the reason black music artists use offense and extreme language is because Jews control the muisc business. Jews force the language to increase sales.



The thing is Jews practice their religion and rituals without bothering anyone. Unlike the in your face Christians which are anoying to say the least..

It came out Mormons were baptizing dead Jews from the Holocaust in a ceremony.

Some blacks have long had problems with anti-semitism. Louis Farakhan for example and his Nation of Islam. In New York thee has long been friction with the Hassadim and their black neighbors. General antisemitism that has long permeated large parts of society also infects some blacks. Being black does not guarantee immuity to antisemitic bigotry.
 

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It goes to show even the blacks with a history of oppression can be oppressive.

Last year in a conversation with a black guy I met he claimed the reason black music artists use offense and extreme language is because Jews control the muisc business. Jews force the language to increase sales.



The thing is Jews practice their religion and rituals without bothering anyone. Unlike the in your face Christians which are anoying to say the least..

It came out Mormons were baptizing dead Jews from the Holocaust in a ceremony.

Some blacks have long had problems with anti-semitism. Louis Farakhan for example and his Nation of Islam. In New York thee has long been friction with the Hassadim and their black neighbors. General antisemitism that has long permeated large parts of society also infects some blacks. Being black does not guarantee immuity to antisemitic bigotry.

Oh look, another person who hasn't lived in a predominantly black community who knows how much anti-Semitic bigotry's exists in said community because some black dude said anti sematic things. You do know not every black person adores Farrakhan right (this even at the so called height of his popularity)? Oh my Gosh the out of tuchness round here.
 

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Some blacks have long had problems with anti-semitism. Louis Farakhan for example and his Nation of Islam. In New York thee has long been friction with the Hassadim and their black neighbors. General antisemitism that has long permeated large parts of society also infects some blacks. Being black does not guarantee immuity to antisemitic bigotry.

Oh look, another person who hasn't lived in a predominantly black community who knows how much anti-Semitic bigotry's exists in said community because some black dude said anti sematic things. You do know not every black person adores Farrakhan right (this even at the so called height of his popularity)? Oh my Gosh the out of tuchness round here.

It's pretty plain what CC is saying.
 

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I had forgot about Louis Farrakhan and Nation Of Islam. Is he still alive?

He was right up there with the wacky white extremists, but never got called out on it. It was politically incorrect to criticize blacks.

I did not say all blacks. From my long experience all groups have stereotypes and slurs for other groups.

When the former Wa governor Locke went to China as ambassador the Chinese media called him a 'yellow banana'. A Chinese slur for pepole of Chinese decent who assimilate into western culture. His parents or grandparents were Chinese immigrants.

In te 70s I knew a Jewish woman who got engaged to a Catholic. I knew her parents and they had no problem. Some in her extended family treated her like a non person.

The thing is we are all truly pretty much the same on the average, which is my point.
 

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It goes to show even the blacks with a history of oppression can be oppressive.

Last year in a conversation with a black guy I met he claimed the reason black music artists use offense and extreme language is because Jews control the muisc business. Jews force the language to increase sales.



The thing is Jews practice their religion and rituals without bothering anyone. Unlike the in your face Christians which are anoying to say the least..

It came out Mormons were baptizing dead Jews from the Holocaust in a ceremony.

Some blacks have long had problems with anti-semitism. Louis Farakhan for example and his Nation of Islam. In New York thee has long been friction with the Hassadim and their black neighbors. General antisemitism that has long permeated large parts of society also infects some blacks. Being black does not guarantee immuity to antisemitic bigotry.

Oh look, another person who hasn't lived in a predominantly black community who knows how much anti-Semitic bigotry's exists in said community because some black dude said anti sematic things. You do know not every black person adores Farrakhan right (this even at the so called height of his popularity)? Oh my Gosh the out of tuchness round here.

I did not say all blacks are antisemites. But over the years I have noticed things like Farakhan's rants. Though of course few black Amricans follow Farakhan. There has been the claims from some black American writers Jews were heavily invlved in the slave trade. Again a minority black view, but it is there. I just noticed these things over the years. Yes, these things were controverial in the black communities. But the general antisemitism that has plagued Western civilization is still with us all and needs careful watching.
 

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I had forgot about Louis Farrakhan and Nation Of Islam. Is he still alive?

He was right up there with the wacky white extremists, but never got called out on it. It was politically incorrect to criticize blacks.

I did not say all blacks. From my long experience all groups have stereotypes and slurs for other groups.

When the former Wa governor Locke went to China as ambassador the Chinese media called him a 'yellow banana'. A Chinese slur for pepole of Chinese decent who assimilate into western culture. His parents or grandparents were Chinese immigrants.

In te 70s I knew a Jewish woman who got engaged to a Catholic. I knew her parents and they had no problem. Some in her extended family treated her like a non person.

The thing is we are all truly pretty much the same on the average, which is my point.

Farakhan did indeed get called out on his antisemitic rants. And his bizarre woo woo like numerology. On the other hand, in some bad neighborhoods,Nation Of Islam members set up neighborhood patrols to fight crime, which was much appreciated.
 

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I've gotta admit, watching Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens leap to Kanye's defense if pretty entertaining. I'm just waiting for the usual suspects to cry about "cancel culture" over this one.

This didn't age well,

 

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Some blacks have long had problems with anti-semitism. Louis Farakhan for example and his Nation of Islam. In New York thee has long been friction with the Hassadim and their black neighbors. General antisemitism that has long permeated large parts of society also infects some blacks. Being black does not guarantee immuity to antisemitic bigotry.

Oh look, another person who hasn't lived in a predominantly black community who knows how much anti-Semitic bigotry's exists in said community because some black dude said anti sematic things. You do know not every black person adores Farrakhan right (this even at the so called height of his popularity)? Oh my Gosh the out of tuchness round here.

It's pretty plain what CC is saying.

Yeah, I notice I read it wrong. That ole knee jerk gets the best of me sometimes.
 

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It goes to show even the blacks with a history of oppression can be oppressive.

Last year in a conversation with a black guy I met he claimed the reason black music artists use offense and extreme language is because Jews control the muisc business. Jews force the language to increase sales.



The thing is Jews practice their religion and rituals without bothering anyone. Unlike the in your face Christians which are anoying to say the least..

It came out Mormons were baptizing dead Jews from the Holocaust in a ceremony.

Some blacks have long had problems with anti-semitism. Louis Farakhan for example and his Nation of Islam. In New York thee has long been friction with the Hassadim and their black neighbors. General antisemitism that has long permeated large parts of society also infects some blacks. Being black does not guarantee immuity to antisemitic bigotry.

Oh look, another person who hasn't lived in a predominantly black community who knows how much anti-Semitic bigotry's exists in said community because some black dude said anti sematic things. You do know not every black person adores Farrakhan right (this even at the so called height of his popularity)? Oh my Gosh the out of tuchness round here.

I did not say all blacks are antisemites. But over the years I have noticed things like Farakhan's rants. Though of course few black Amricans follow Farakhan. There has been the claims from some black American writers Jews were heavily invlved in the slave trade. Again a minority black view, but it is there. I just noticed these things over the years. Yes, these things were controverial in the black communities. But the general antisemitism that has plagued Western civilization is still with us all and needs careful watching.

Sorry about that, I misread and mischaracterized what you said.
 

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I had forgot about Louis Farrakhan and Nation Of Islam. Is he still alive?

He was right up there with the wacky white extremists, but never got called out on it. It was politically incorrect to criticize blacks.
Bullshit - Farrakhan was called out on but the ADL, and Southern Poverty Law Center for decades. His anti-semitic remarks have been reported and called out by CNN and the NYT. Hell, he was banned from Facebook in 2019.

Farrakhan is still alive.
Farrakhan is a cult-like figure on the margins of society. Which may account for the lack of continual uproar against his hateful lies. But your claim about him never being called out on it because he is black is just another altright racist meme.


 

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I had forgot about Louis Farrakhan and Nation Of Islam. Is he still alive?

He was right up there with the wacky white extremists, but never got called out on it. It was politically incorrect to criticize blacks.
Bullshit - Farrakhan was called out on but the ADL, and Southern Poverty Law Center for decades. His anti-semitic remarks have been reported and called out by CNN and the NYT. Hell, he was banned from Facebook in 2019.

Farrakhan is still alive.
Actually he died in a story I wrote. Smooshed by a massive cantaloupe.
 

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Kanye West is an idiot.

Why does anyone care about what he says about anything?

Is it because Kim made Jenner his sister or something?

I think Kim Kardashian is an alien with mind control powers over mere humans. She's the Queen of the Annunaki Illuminati. That birch has a hot tub party on the far side of the moon. Invitation Only.

Putin, Trump, and Xi are all fighting for the last seat on her XSpace death star.
The one with the Hot Tub.
They've all got nukes and don't have to care about the rest of us. But Musk already sold the good seats. So they are fighting over the remnants of the Human Family and the remaining wealth. They know how soon a gallon of hooch will be worth more than Microsoft.
Tom
 

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Kanye West is an idiot.

Why does anyone care about what he says about anything?

Is it because Kim made Jenner his sister or something?

I think Kim Kardashian is an alien with mind control powers over mere humans. She's the Queen of the Annunaki Illuminati. That birch has a hot tub party on the far side of the moon. Invitation Only.

Putin, Trump, and Xi are all fighting for the last seat on her XSpace death star.
The one with the Hot Tub.
They've all got nukes and don't have to care about the rest of us. But Musk already sold the good seats. So they are fighting over the remnants of the Human Family and the remaining wealth. They know how soon a gallon of hooch will be worth more than Microsoft.
Tom
Been listening to Coast to Coast again, I see.
 

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Could someone refresh my memory?

Is Adidas the shoe company that paid Michael Jordan $20M for wearing the shoes for 5 years, while paying the entire staff of Indonesian kids who made the shoes $5M during the same 5 years?

Was that Adidas or someone else? American shoe companies all look alike to me.
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Could someone refresh my memory?

Is Adidas the shoe company that paid Michael Jordan $20M for wearing the shoes for 5 years, while paying the entire staff of Indonesian kids who made the shoes $5M during the same 5 years?

Was that Adidas or someone else? American shoe companies all look alike to me.
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Same one. But for some reason a lot of Reich wingers are now going to burn Adidas gear because apparently trans national corporations have the capacity to athropomorphise into becoming woke. Everyone else can see it as the cynical Nike/Kaepernick-esque marketing strategy it is.

Apologies to Stephen Crowder/Jordan Peterson etc for using the term trans.
 

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Kanye is an idiot. If you listen to the interviews he's comparing the Holocaust to black abortion rates to argue that there is a black Holocaust going on right now. People are making a major deal out of Kanye's comments for the wrong reason for example Steve claiming blacks can be oppressive. While individual black people can be oppressive using Kanye's argument as a case in point for it is racist as fuck. Kanye's argument to put it simply is a stupid one. You don't need to bring the holocaust into the discussion of abortion rates amongst blacks. Those numbers speak for themselves. He's also a Christian that is anti abortion and has the usual Christian arguments against it. Nothing special about Kanye, and to claim black folks are going to collectively rally around this guy is silly (and racist). We have our own individual opinions of this guy just like any other race. If anything you may as well say a whole bunch of white people will rally around Kanye because that's the demographic he makes the most money from.
I have heard abortion called a holocaust for black people (or people), usually by people who consider themselves devout Christian. That's not new, although West is the first time I can remember someone of his celebrity specifically saying this in public. I mostly agree with what you wrote however, it seems that you are not addressing the fact that West has enormous influence--not specifically or only among (some) black people but among some people of many different skin colors/backgrounds. If I were to say the things that West has been saying, nobody would notice. At. All. Just as people were outraged at some of the horrific things that Donald Trump said as POTUS, what made it so outrageous was that he was a person of power and influence. West and Trump both have used their positions/platforms to say horrific things about groups of people.

Many people in many positions have a lot of power and influence via their platform/audience: teachers, preachers, famous people, politicians. The right wing is extremely upset that some teachers may teach something in their classrooms that some parent(s) or community members or someone with a lot of time on their hands and a keyboard and internet connection objects to.

The unfortunate thing is that antisemitism has been increasing and West's remarks seem to be connected with an uptick in the number of incidents. This is every bit as reprehensible as Trump's remarks about Mexicans being rapists or criminals, that police should engage in casual brutality, etc.

I don't believe that when Trump or West or JK Rowlings or anybody else expresses callous sentiments directed towards any demographic that it causes an increase in hatred or bigotry. I do think that it gives permission for some people to express such sentiments and in louder, more crass and even physical ways.

My personal opinion of West, based on the small amount I have read/heard about him lately: He is in serious need of some serious mental health help. Urgently. That doesn't make him evil or terrible or bad but he does seem to have gone off the rail in some respects. He's enormously talented--it would be terrible for his legacy to be wiped out by recent behavior.
 

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Kanye is an idiot. If you listen to the interviews he's comparing the Holocaust to black abortion rates to argue that there is a black Holocaust going on right now. People are making a major deal out of Kanye's comments for the wrong reason for example Steve claiming blacks can be oppressive. While individual black people can be oppressive using Kanye's argument as a case in point for it is racist as fuck. Kanye's argument to put it simply is a stupid one. You don't need to bring the holocaust into the discussion of abortion rates amongst blacks. Those numbers speak for themselves. He's also a Christian that is anti abortion and has the usual Christian arguments against it. Nothing special about Kanye, and to claim black folks are going to collectively rally around this guy is silly (and racist). We have our own individual opinions of this guy just like any other race. If anything you may as well say a whole bunch of white people will rally around Kanye because that's the demographic he makes the most money from.
I have heard abortion called a holocaust for black people (or people), usually by people who consider themselves devout Christian. That's not new, although West is the first time I can remember someone of his celebrity specifically saying this in public. I mostly agree with what you wrote however, it seems that you are not addressing the fact that West has enormous influence--not specifically or only among (some) black people but among some people of many different skin colors/backgrounds. If I were to say the things that West has been saying, nobody would notice. At. All. Just as people were outraged at some of the horrific things that Donald Trump said as POTUS, what made it so outrageous was that he was a person of power and influence. West and Trump both have used their positions/platforms to say horrific things about groups of people.

Many people in many positions have a lot of power and influence via their platform/audience: teachers, preachers, famous people, politicians. The right wing is extremely upset that some teachers may teach something in their classrooms that some parent(s) or community members or someone with a lot of time on their hands and a keyboard and internet connection objects to.

The unfortunate thing is that antisemitism has been increasing and West's remarks seem to be connected with an uptick in the number of incidents. This is every bit as reprehensible as Trump's remarks about Mexicans being rapists or criminals, that police should engage in casual brutality, etc.

I don't believe that when Trump or West or JK Rowlings or anybody else expresses callous sentiments directed towards any demographic that it causes an increase in hatred or bigotry. I do think that it gives permission for some people to express such sentiments and in louder, more crass and even physical ways.

My personal opinion of West, based on the small amount I have read/heard about him lately: He is in serious need of some serious mental health help. Urgently. That doesn't make him evil or terrible or bad but he does seem to have gone off the rail in some respects. He's enormously talented--it would be terrible for his legacy to be wiped out by recent behavior.

Kanye (like Trump) doesn't have a monopoly on influence. I agree with many other things you said (on my phone plus never able to do a Bomb#20 level response but the black community has an extremely dynamic influence. I'll leave it at that.
 

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By influence I mean source of influences. Sorry out celebrating my wife's coworker earning $40 an hour at Casco. 😁
 

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It goes to show even the blacks ...

We are extrapolating from one (1) incident by one (1) black guy to make a generic statement about blacks? :confused2:
And not just adding a flippant non sequitur to an existing already-deranged thread, but starting a thread to make this "point"? :confused2:

This is not on the path to enlightenment.
 

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By influence I mean source of influences. Sorry out celebrating my wife's coworker earning $40 an hour at Casco. 😁
Sounds like a really good time! Hope you had a lot of fun and congrats to your wife's co-worker.

Absolutely they are not the only ones with (imho outsized) influence. One of the reasons I included JK Rowling in my post upthread. We don't know if this will blow over for West, as expressing virulent antisemitism has seemingly mostly blown over for Mel Gibson. I would argue that Gibson's unpopular and ugly words were before Trump and the current rise in antisemitism that we are seeing now. I think 8 years ago, most of us would not have predicted the US electing as POTUS a man who expressed such ugly and hate-filled thoughts and opinions. But we did and we can easily see how Trump's words and actions at the very least coincided with an uptick in a lot of extremely intolerant behavior, to say the least. I don't think Trump caused racism or sexism or anti-progressive bigotry but I do think that he is a symptom and an amplifier of those things. Having someone who millions of people respect, admire and look up to give voice to ugly, intolerant views gives permission to others to express similar thoughts--and to commit some awful deeds. I'm hopeful that Trump will soon be charged and 'cancelled' but I fear that this last gasp of white supremacy still has some oxygen.

It seems apparent to me that West has some very serious mental health issues and I genuinely truly hope that he gets effective help with those. I have no idea if his recent anti semitic remarks are new or if they are only now getting press because in general his mental health issues have made the news of late. I don't know if they are connected to the fact that Pete Davidson is part Jewish. I don't know any of that. I'm the wrong generation to be that tuned into Kanye West.
 

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By influence I mean source of influences. Sorry out celebrating my wife's coworker earning $40 an hour at Casco. 😁
Sounds like a really good time! Hope you had a lot of fun and congrats to your wife's co-worker.

Absolutely they are not the only ones with (imho outsized) influence. One of the reasons I included JK Rowling in my post upthread. We don't know if this will blow over for West, as expressing virulent antisemitism has seemingly mostly blown over for Mel Gibson. I would argue that Gibson's unpopular and ugly words were before Trump and the current rise in antisemitism that we are seeing now. I think 8 years ago, most of us would not have predicted the US electing as POTUS a man who expressed such ugly and hate-filled thoughts and opinions. But we did and we can easily see how Trump's words and actions at the very least coincided with an uptick in a lot of extremely intolerant behavior, to say the least. I don't think Trump caused racism or sexism or anti-progressive bigotry but I do think that he is a symptom and an amplifier of those things. Having someone who millions of people respect, admire and look up to give voice to ugly, intolerant views gives permission to others to express similar thoughts--and to commit some awful deeds. I'm hopeful that Trump will soon be charged and 'cancelled' but I fear that this last gasp of white supremacy still has some oxygen.

It seems apparent to me that West has some very serious mental health issues and I genuinely truly hope that he gets effective help with those. I have no idea if his recent anti semitic remarks are new or if they are only now getting press because in general his mental health issues have made the news of late. I don't know if they are connected to the fact that Pete Davidson is part Jewish. I don't know any of that. I'm the wrong generation to be that tuned into Kanye West.

First off, I need to get a job at this "Casco." I'm doing well, but not $40 an hour well!

As far as Trump goes, he's been in an information silo since he was a child, and what we're seeing now is him dealing with something he's utterly unfamiliar with: people telling him "no." He's never really suffered any serious consequences from being a sexist, racist asshole. He's gone bankrupt a few times, but that's just business. In his personal life, there's always been another wife, another sycophant, another lawyer, and another grifter at the ready to tell him he's a great guy.

Kanye? I can't diagnose his mental illness, but there is something that feels familiar. When I landed my gig producing a morning show 25 years ago (jeez, really?) The co-hosts were very different from each other...which was why we worked so well together. One was methodical, organized, and ambitious. The other was mercurial, creative, and had the attention span of a toddler. I was somewhere in between. But there was something else at work. The former was a guy like me who grew up at the lower end of the middle class. The latter was "old money." When they moved up to the big time and signed a million dollar contract, things changed.

The middle class guy became very full of himself. The old money guy was the same as he'd always been. I'd heard some chatter about the former's ego over the years and dismissed it, but when we had a station reunion I got to experience it first hand. He was kind of an asshole. I'd guess something similar is going on with Kanye. Throw a lot of money at some kid who has no idea how to cope with it - athlete, rock star, movie actor - and your results may vary.
 

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I just read the Ye walked into Sketchers with a film crew ro look for a deal. They showed him the door.
Yea, some of the articles are pointing out that Sketchers is founded and owned by a Jewish family. Founded by Robert and Michael Greenburg.

I hope someone releases videos of him being escorted out.
 

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Kanye (like Trump) doesn't have a monopoly on influence. I agree with many other things you said (on my phone plus never able to do a Bomb#20 level response but the black community has an extremely dynamic influence. I'll leave it at that.
The black community isn't a hivemind, no, but he certainly has a larger social media influence than say a Charles Barkley. There is an ugly normalization of bigotry occurring and anti-Semitism, beyond my worst nightmares, is growing again, especially regarding it's public face. Luckily he has lost billions in future sales because of his, whatever the fuck this is. He latest Tweet... my fucking gawd.

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"I lost 2 Billion dollars in one and I'm still alive".

After posting anti-Semitic content... which as we remember several million Jews didn't survive, and those that did, lost everything. I'm all for cancelling anti-Semitism!
 

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but he certainly has a larger social media influence than say a Charles Barkley.
Really. That's your proof of his influence on the black community? You do know that Kanye's wealth comes mostly from white people right?
He has influence, it is a true statement. Accept it. I'm not requiring the black community to renounce him. I'm saying his words carry weight, and his words normalize a state of mind led to the executions of millions of Jewish people in WWII.
 

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Social media influence... How is that measured anyway? By how many people hit like and share you're tweets? It's easy to find black people that have a bigger following on twitter and Facebook that don't side with Kanye on many things but somehow Kanye is leading a revaluation of sorts within the black community at a level worthy of concern.

Antisemetic black people have been around long before Ye. Hell I'll go as far as to claim they might have been around long before Islam reached them as slaves in America, because I doubt they could tell Jews apart from their oppressors.
 

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Social media influence... How is that measured anyway? By how many people hit like and share you're tweets? It's easy to find black people that have a bigger following on twitter and Facebook that don't side with Kanye on many things but somehow Kanye is leading a revaluation of sorts within the black community at a level worthy of concern.

Antisemetic black people have been around long before Ye. Hell I'll go as far as to claim they might have been around long before Islam reached them as slaves in America, because I doubt they could tell Jews apart from their oppressors.
I honestly do NOT care whether West's primary influence is with white, black, Asian or hispanic peoples or any combination thereof. He does carry a lot of influence among his fans. And---this is true of many people, among those people who hear/read his words and find an ally/kindred spirit/justification for their own prejudices, bigotries and pov's (which we all have, btw).

I'm totally the wrong age to be familiar with his body of work or to be much of a fan of most of the genre--my limitations, of course. I cannot speak to how his words resonate with anyone. But they seem to, as does his image.

Mostly, at this point, I feel very sorry for him and wish someone cared enough about him to get him the help he seems to desperately need.

That does not mean that I am not furious at the antisemitism just as I am furious at the racism and other bigotries promoted by Trump and his ilk. Furious, sick to my stomach, sick at heart. It's beyond reprehensible. And it's poisonous and contagious. We have got to stop this hatred. I believe it can only be stopped by knowledge, understanding and love and acceptance.
 

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That does not mean that I am not furious at the antisemitism just as I am furious at the racism and other bigotries promoted by Trump and his ilk. Furious, sick to my stomach, sick at heart. It's beyond reprehensible. And it's poisonous and contagious. We have got to stop this hatred. I believe it can only be stopped by knowledge, understanding and love and acceptance.

And one way to stop the hate is by not assuming folks agree with Kanye because they are a fan of his music.
 

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I read that West was diagnosed as having bipolar disorder about 5 years ago, although it's likely that he had symptoms long before he was diagnosed. I read that he decided not to take the types of medications that are usually prescribed for this serious mental illness. Having had family members with BPD and having cared for many patients with this disorder, some people with this disease do suffer from serious delusions, while others are able to control their symptoms fairly well. Medications usually help, but it's very common for folks with this disease to stop taking their meds. Let me put it like a former friend did, after she went off her meds and went off the deep end. I mean she really did some extremely dangerous, nutty things. Sadly, her ultra religious family thought she was demon possessed, but I digress. When Mr. Sohy and I saw her in a restaurant back when we lived in SC, we sat with her and asked her what was going on. She said she had gone off of her meds because she loved how it felt being manic. She said it was a better high than any drug. About two weeks later, she was hospitalized.

My point is that we shouldn't take what mentally ill folks say so seriously, especially when they refuse to take medications that will probably help relieve their symptoms to some extent. However, what West said has given more attention to the extreme rise in anti semitism in the US. Perhaps that's the positive side, as people need to know what's going on when it comes to hatred and prejudice.

Ye needs help and the rest of us need to stop giving him so much attention. Mania sometimes seems to be linked to narcissism. At least it appears to be that way when it comes to people like Ye, and Musk, not that I want to think about what will happen to Twitter now that Musk owns it. That line from Ferris Bueller keeps haunting me. "I weep for the future".
 

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I read that West was diagnosed as having bipolar disorder about 5 years ago, although it's likely that he had symptoms long before he was diagnosed. I read that he decided not to take the types of medications that are usually prescribed for this serious mental illness. Having had family members with BPD and having cared for many patients with this disorder, some people with this disease do suffer from serious delusions, while others are able to control their symptoms fairly well. Medications usually help, but it's very common for folks with this disease to stop taking their meds. Let me put it like a former friend did, after she went off her meds and went off the deep end. I mean she really did some extremely dangerous, nutty things. Sadly, her ultra religious family thought she was demon possessed, but I digress. When Mr. Sohy and I saw her in a restaurant back when we lived in SC, we sat with her and asked her what was going on. She said she had gone off of her meds because she loved how it felt being manic. She said it was a better high than any drug. About two weeks later, she was hospitalized.

My point is that we shouldn't take what mentally ill folks say so seriously, especially when they refuse to take medications that will probably help relieve their symptoms to some extent. However, what West said has given more attention to the extreme rise in anti semitism in the US. Perhaps that's the positive side, as people need to know what's going on when it comes to hatred and prejudice.

Ye needs help and the rest of us need to stop giving him so much attention. Mania sometimes seems to be linked to narcissism. At least it appears to be that way when it comes to people like Ye, and Musk, not that I want to think about what will happen to Twitter now that Musk owns it. That line from Ferris Bueller keeps haunting me. "I weep for the future".
Agreed. You can't take what a bi-polar person says as reality when they are manic.
 

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That does not mean that I am not furious at the antisemitism just as I am furious at the racism and other bigotries promoted by Trump and his ilk. Furious, sick to my stomach, sick at heart. It's beyond reprehensible. And it's poisonous and contagious. We have got to stop this hatred. I believe it can only be stopped by knowledge, understanding and love and acceptance.

And one way to stop the hate is by not assuming folks agree with Kanye because they are a fan of his music.
Exactly. It gets tricky being a fan of someone that you know or think you know information about. I love Bob Dylan who seems to have been a real dick and possibly physically abusive to his wife; Michael Jackson--enough said. I admit I like Mel Gibson as an actor but after his antisemitism became so publicly known, I've avoided watching his films. It's easier when I am not much of a fan--a number of less favorite entertainers are easily ignored by me because of some very public offensive to very offensive behavior/opinions spouted. If one starts including authors and artists.....the list gets long very fast.

I will admit that I love some music with some lyrics I would be appalled at if they were real life events (see early Rod Stewart, especially Stay With Me) and I love it unabashedly. I'm not a fan of rap or hip hop (wrong generation) but I'd probably not be a fan of some of the artists based on lyrics, especially those that seem to be misogynistic or advocate for violence.

IMO, not nearly enough consequences are meted out by the NFL for abuse of significant others/intimate partners. Ditto for all other professional sports. Not only is it ugly and destructive to the immediate victims but when we tolerate horrific or even very bad behavior from someone because they can make us a lot of money---and let's not forget that for the owners, it's ALL about the money--we do a tremendous disservice to the individuals as well, many of whom were groomed for pro sports from a very young age. It starts in high school or before: not expecting or helping student athletes to achieve academic success, tolerating terrible behavior including hate speech, racist behavior and sexual violence, and more. It's wrong and it does terrible damage to the student athlete and to society.

That said, I am glad that some public figures are getting some immediate negative consequences for hate speech and despicable behavior. It should happen much, much much more. No, it won't change minds or not all of them but it can serve to let people know that hateful, despicable behavior, words and actions are not acceptable and will result in a *gasp* loss of popularity (of some people) and perhaps some negative financial consequences. And it can perhaps stem the spread of hateful attitudes and behaviors. God knows what we have been doing has not worked and has only led us to Donald Trump.
 

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It goes to show even the blacks with a history of oppression can be oppressive.

Last year in a conversation with a black guy I met he claimed the reason black music artists use offense and extreme language is because Jews control the muisc business. Jews force the language to increase sales.



The thing is Jews practice their religion and rituals without bothering anyone. Unlike the in your face Christians which are anoying to say the least..

It came out Mormons were baptizing dead Jews from the Holocaust in a ceremony.
No one who knows anything about Kanye West has ever claimed that Kanye West doesn't say shitty things. But that's no excuse for trying to emulate that conduct.
 

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"I questioned the death of George Floyd and it hurt my people and it hurt the black people so I wanna apologise. Because right now God has shown me by what Adidas is doing and by what the media is doing - I know how it feels to have a knee on my neck now."

With that total lack of awareness I genuinely amazed Kanye has lived so long and not get wiped out by oncoming traffic. He then went on to say how God had chosen him and rattles off companies that have Jewish executives.
 

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The top right headline does not apply, lol
So, let's see here. Opinion piece, opinion piece, opinion piece and an alleged NPR story I can't find anywhere that might have been an opinion piece.

Is your point that Ye didn't say anything out of bounds for an opinion piece?
 

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Kanye (like Trump) doesn't have a monopoly on influence. I agree with many other things you said (on my phone plus never able to do a Bomb#20 level response but the black community has an extremely dynamic influence. I'll leave it at that.
Challenge accepted![/neilpatrickharris]

All I can offer in Kanye's defense is at least he's an equal opportunity bigot. He called atheism the ultimate white privilege. :devil:
 

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The top right headline does not apply, lol
So, let's see here. Opinion piece, opinion piece, opinion piece and an alleged NPR story I can't find anywhere that might have been an opinion piece.

Is your point that Ye didn't say anything out of bounds for an opinion piece?
Curious, who gives a fuck what he thinks. He posts this harmful nonsense all the time.
 

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"I questioned the death of George Floyd and it hurt my people and it hurt the black people so I wanna apologise. Because right now God has shown me by what Adidas is doing and by what the media is doing - I know how it feels to have a knee on my neck now."

Yes, completely the same thing. Floyd tried to pass a fake $20 bill, resisted arrest, and was killed while be put in custody, and his death was covered up until a video appeared. You said some pretty fucked up shit, and lost contracts. Totally the same thing. #AllKaynesMatter
 

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The top right headline does not apply, lol
So, let's see here. Opinion piece, opinion piece, opinion piece and an alleged NPR story I can't find anywhere that might have been an opinion piece.

Is your point that Ye didn't say anything out of bounds for an opinion piece?
Curious, who gives a fuck what he thinks. He posts this harmful nonsense all the time.
Lots of people do. You ignore him and belittle him at your peril.

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His post has inspired copycats. He has influence and this makes his statements dangerous. And now that Musk has taken Twitter expect him to allow him to continue to spew his hatred and inspire others. Don’t underestimate these fuckers.
 
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