Koch-backed study finds ‘Medicare for All’ would save U.S. trillions

[untermensche]

Whatever "socialized medicine" is supposed to be.


What gives you that idea?

It's not an idea.

It's a reflex.

It's a mind reduced to a reflex.

As opposed to a contemplative mind.

Is a contemplative mind a mind that sees dictatorships everywhere?

No, only where they clearly exist.

It takes a special kind of blindness to see the rigid power structure of a corporation and somehow think it is not a dictatorial model. Orders flow from above. Suggestions can flow from below then the dictators can decide to act on them or not.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Is a contemplative mind a mind that sees dictatorships everywhere?

No, only where they clearly exist.

It takes a special kind of blindness to see the rigid power structure of a corporation and somehow think it is not a dictatorial model. Orders flow from above. Suggestions can flow from below then the dictators can decide to act on them or not.

Aha... rigid... like your mind?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I am still amazed that there are people in the USA that believe a profit driven health insurance system is going to be cheaper than a non-profit driven health insurance system. Take out the profit takers and the price goes up?

 

[Elixir]

I am still amazed that there are people in the USA that believe a profit driven health insurance system is going to be cheaper than a non-profit driven health insurance system. Take out the profit takers and the price goes up?

... not to mention the consolidation of administrative costs under a single payer system. You have to be drinking some pow'ful strong alt-right kool-aid to keep believing costs would go up.

 

[untermensche]

Is a contemplative mind a mind that sees dictatorships everywhere?

No, only where they clearly exist.

It takes a special kind of blindness to see the rigid power structure of a corporation and somehow think it is not a dictatorial model. Orders flow from above. Suggestions can flow from below then the dictators can decide to act on them or not.

Aha... rigid... like your mind?

Being against rape and not wavering is no insult.

Being rigidly against dictatorship, especially when it is doing so much damage, is no insult.

 

[angelo]

Socialised medicine is not far removed from communism,

Oh really? So here's a list of coutries that are, according to you, "not far removed from communism":

Norway
New Zealand
Japan
Germany
Belgium
United Kingdom
Kuwait
Sweden
Bahrain
Brunei
Canada
Netherlands
Austria
United Arab Emirates
Finland
Slovenia
Denmark
Luxembourg
France
Australia
Ireland
Italy
Portugal
Cyprus
Greece
Spain
South Korea
Iceland
Hong Kong
Singapore
Switzerland
Israel

All of them have some form of Universal Health Care. Your assertion is laid bare. It's just a talking point - a lie - from the far right.

Here's a better explanation of so called " Free healthcare."

https://truecostblog.com/2009/08/09/countries-with-universal-healthcare-by-date/

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

I am still amazed that there are people in the USA that believe a profit driven health insurance system is going to be cheaper than a non-profit driven health insurance system. Take out the profit takers and the price goes up?

That has nothing to do with it. Rich people want to maintain their sense of privilige and think that money equals best. They want the best, and have the money to pay for it, so healthcare is exclusive.

 

[untermensche]

I am still amazed that there are people in the USA that believe a profit driven health insurance system is going to be cheaper than a non-profit driven health insurance system. Take out the profit takers and the price goes up?

That has nothing to do with it. Rich people want to maintain their sense of privilige and think that money equals best. They want the best, and have the money to pay for it, so healthcare is exclusive.

It's not even the average rich person that wants the system.

It's the insurance corporations.

THEY want the system. And the Congress serves the corporate system, not the people.

Damn anyone else.

 

[Underseer]

Not only would it save our economy trillions of dollars, but a majority of Republican voters support Medicare for all:



That's right: a higher percentage of Republican voters support Medicare for all than the percentage of Democratic senators who support Medicare for all.

 

[Trausti]

Things to consider -

Higher Fees Paid To US Physicians Drive Higher Spending For Physician Services Compared To Other Countries

US primary care physicians earned the highest incomes ($186,582), while French ($95,585) and Australian ($92,844) primary care physicians had the lowest. Although payments to primary care physicians were greater in the United States than elsewhere, the differential was smaller than would be expected given the costliness of the overall US health care system.

Among orthopedic surgeons, those who had the highest annual pretax incomes, net of expenses, were in the United States (US$442,450). Among comparison countries, the United Kingdom led with pretax incomes net of expenses that were 50 percent higher than in other comparison countries (US$324,138) but still about one-quarter less than US incomes. Annual pretax earnings of orthopedic surgeons in other countries, after expenses, ranged from US$154,380 (France) to US$208,634 (Canada).