Latest from Portland Antifa

[marc]

As usual, your guess is very wrong.

Not certain how Derec missed the part of the link text noting that people were arrested.

I think it is a forum setting, like "All Facts that I disagree with" set to Ignore, then you don't even see them. That would explain a lot.

 

[J842P]

I see what looks like a bunch of Black Bloc anarchists. Are you sure they're idealistic demonstrators who oppose Fascism?

What do you think *antifa* is?

 

[Jarhyn]

I see what looks like a bunch of Black Bloc anarchists. Are you sure they're idealistic demonstrators who oppose Fascism?

What do you think *antifa* is?

An identity/ideology defined exactly by the willingness to take direct action against fascist imposition.

What do you think it is? Because if you say anything other than "An identity/ideology defined exactly by the willingness to take direct action against fascist imposition", then you are wrong.

It is, entirely, along the same lines of furry: "an ideology/identity defined exactly as having an interest in anthropomorphics in art, media, and culture".

"Antifa" says nothing more, and nothing less than that the claimant of the identity is supportive of direct action against fascism.

Some Antifa believe all sorts of crazy things. I could as easily say "all conservatives are tRump Terrorists".

They are distinct identities. Even if 100% of dogfuckers were furries, it doesn't make the statement "furries are dogfuckers" true nor does it even make the statement "dogfuckers are furries" apt or appropriate, because furry is not defined in terms of dog fucking nor is dog fucking defined in terms of furries: a non-furry could be a dog fucker, it is merely accidental here in the hypothetical that they are not!

You just have absolutely zero legs to stand on in this argument.

 

[Derec]

do you see differences between protesting for racial/social justice, far-left marches, and attempting to overturn election results? do you see a difference in breaking windows at an ICE facility or courthouse and breaking into the fucking capitol while electoral votes are being counted? do we just need to equate all the things all the time? i view all of those as different even if some form of violence happens at each.

Marches are protected speech/assembly. I have no problem with them in principle, unless they start blocking roads and banging on cars. Attacking different federal buildings is unacceptable and should not be defended no matter which side does it though. Same goes for vandalizing businesses or occupying neighborhoods.

to be fair many of us Seattleites have wanted to smash the windows of that startbucks before. the coffee is gross and the idiots who stand in line for over an hour to go into a starbucks are often in the way for the locals trying to walk through the market.

You may think their coffee is gross but plenty of people obviously like it. What gives you the right to destroy the private property of others?

 

[Derec]

I see what looks like a bunch of Black Bloc anarchists. Are you sure they're idealistic demonstrators who oppose Fascism?

Black Bloc and Antfas are part of the same leftist milieu. And note the symbol with the three downward arrows. That symbol is very often used by Antifas.

 

[Derec]

The next four years are going to be interesting watching the left eat its own. If it gets really out of control, what will Biden/Harris do? Send in the National Guard? Or play the fiddle while Rome burns? Inquiring minds want to know.

I really hope Biden doesn't prove to be a pushover, but some of those day 1 executive orders are not very promising in that regard.

 

[Elixir]

do you see differences between protesting for racial/social justice, far-left marches, and attempting to overturn election results? do you see a difference in breaking windows at an ICE facility or courthouse and breaking into the fucking capitol while electoral votes are being counted?

Marches are protected speech/assembly. I have no problem with them in principle, unless they start blocking roads and banging on cars.

Translation: NO.

 

[Derec]

Yeah, like, I see that anarchy symbol they are all wearing and all I can think is that "that's not antifascism or liberalism at all, that's anarchism, straight up".

Potato, potahto. All part of the same leftist cesspool.

Besides, that banner uses the three arrow symbol popular with Antifas.

Those assholes can fuck right off out of our tent. They get no support from me, only judgement, same as any other violent actors.
That said, they are right in their intent of objecting to imperialism, fascist violence, and police murders.

LMAO!

Their journey does not say anything about their destination good or bad, merely that they are lost and will not find what they seek.

Given that they view for example any police shootings as "murder" as long as the shootee is black and view everybody to the Right of them as fascist, I do hope for the sake of our country that they fail.

 

[Elixir]

Potato, potahto. All part of the same leftist cesspool.

Translation: "NO, i DO not see differences between protesting for racial/social justice, far-left marches, and attempting to overturn election results"

 

[cycomiko]

You may think their coffee is gross but plenty of people obviously like it. What gives you the right to destroy the private property of others?

it's a fucking joke, dude. a joke about tourists being in the way of the locals.

 

[Jarhyn]

Potato, potahto. All part of the same leftist cesspool.

Translation: "NO, i DO not see differences between protesting for racial/social justice, far-left marches, and attempting to overturn election results"

I find it funny and sad that he is trying so hard to get us to support violent assholes the way he supports violent assholes, perhaps so he doesn't end up feeling so many complicated feelings when he supports assholes?

It's got to be hard being a right winger and failing to understand what mechanisms make utterances actually meaningful and effective.

 

[Gospel]

Potato, potahto. All part of the same leftist cesspool.

Translation: "NO, i DO not see differences between protesting for racial/social justice, far-left marches, and attempting to overturn election results"

I find it funny and sad that he is trying so hard to get us to support violent assholes the way he supports violent assholes, perhaps so he doesn't end up feeling so many complicated feelings when he supports assholes?

It's got to be hard being a right winger and failing to understand what mechanisms make utterances actually meaningful and effective.

This is unfair. I thing Derec is simply under the impression that many people on this board are ok with rioting, looting and vandalizing as long as it's born out of genuine grievance (which I haven't seen anyone on this board confess to). Every post of his is screaming "See? This is unacceptable behavior!". While he may not understand the BLM movement (because he can't sperate the errors in judgment of many affiliated with the group from the core reason BLM came to be in the first place), my homie Twisted D brings up BLM more than anyone else on this forum so its all good. Keep the movement alive brotha!

On another note, I'm a big fan of Derec's posts (yeah I'm serious) because it provides me with incite into how a (bias) outsider views the goings on in the demographics similar to mine. But lets at least be honest here. Derec doesn't condone what happened at the capital anymore than either of you condone the destruction of property or acts of violence from people amongst the BLM protests.

 

[Derec]

As usual, your guess is very wrong.

Really? Because cykomiko seems to be saying it's not that bad to attack courthouses and stuff.

 

[Derec]

Not certain how Derec missed the part of the link text noting that people were arrested.

Arresting them hasn't really been a problem in Portland. It's that the lefty DA has been dismissing most of the charges.
Examples:


Multnomah County District Attorney Rejects Cases of People Accused of Thanksgiving Morning Vandalism

The Multnomah County District Attorney's office declined to bring charges against three suspects arrested amid an early Thanksgiving morning vandalism spree, court records say.

Shortly after 1 am on Nov. 26, the Portland Police Bureau responded to reports of a black-clad group breaking windows and vandalizing businesses along Southeast Hawthorne Boulevard, including the New Seasons market and a Bank of America.

Police later located a group they say "carr[ied] evidence connecting them to the vandalism," and arrested three people believed to be affiliated with the damage: Chester Hester, 24 Nicole Noriega, 38, and Bailey Willack, 23.

Portland Prosecutors Not Pursuing Charges Against Some People Arrested in Autonomous Zone

Prosecutors overseeing Portland are not pursuing charges against most people arrested in the so-called autonomous zone, where armed occupiers are threatening police and others who try to respond. Of 20 people arrested this week, prosecutors rejected cases against 12 of them and were unable to find records for five others, according to information obtained by The Epoch Times.
[...]
The occupation started earlier this month, when a group of people erected barriers and created a zone on North Mississippi Avenue. Police said the group stockpiled weapons and posted armed guards. The group is upset that a family was going to be evicted. A similar area was created in Seattle over the summer. Authorities tolerated the zone for months but shut it down following several killings in or near the lawless area.
[...]
In a statement Friday, the district attorney said the situation “shows the pressing need for our community to come together to address our housing crisis, economic inequalities, racial and social injustices, and to be mindful of the collateral consequences that the criminal legal system can have on destabilizing families and entire communities.” Schmidt praised the occupiers in the statement, saying “many in our community would have never known about the plight” if not for them.“Now, we understand and feel more keenly that foreclosures and evictions, even when afforded due process, can have cascading effects. The shame is that it took this type of an intervention to bring so many together to want to remedy the situation,” he added.

But maybe it will be different now that the left-wing extremists have attacked the Democratic Party headquarters and not just some evil capitalist businesses or occupied a neighborhood where regular people live.

 

[cycomiko]

As usual, your guess is very wrong.

Really? Because cykomiko seems to be saying it's not that bad to attack courthouses and stuff.

not exactly but didn't have time to elaborate initially. i don't think there should be looting or violence of any sort if possible.

however, when a certain group of people is protesting being killed by police at a higher rate than the rest of the population i can see how tensions may boil over into something other than a peaceful protest. the far-left groups that you think rule the large cities in the PNW shouldn't be randomly targeting buildings and they were arrested for it. people "protesting" by storming a government building in an attempt to overturn an election should be met with overwhelming force. if the trumpists were simply standing outside with flags and banners then it's all good. these 3 types of events are VERY different.

 

[Derec]

I imagine there will be dramatic short-term success in curbing the activities of violent Trumper mobs.

The only thing that matters to you. At the same time you keep defending leftist mobs as merely protesting for equal rights.

 

[Derec]

Or, he knows the difference between "defund" and "abolish".

If you defund police, they can't operate. So it's a distinction without a difference.
When Bill deBlowjob cut a billion from NYPD budget AOC complained that it does not go too far enough and that "defunding" should mean "defunding". To the defund crowd, it means reducing funding to zero, not merely reducing funding.

Regardless, looks like the usual fake anarchists to me. They're anti-fascist, technically, but they're just generally anti-whoever.

That's not fake anarchists, that's the real thing. Same as have been rioting for years. Decades really. Remember Seattle riots of the late 1990s?
Also Antifa have been calling anybody to the right of them "fascist" ever since they were formed as a paramilitary arm of the German Communist Party in the 1920s. So they remain true to their roots. Nothing fake there either.

I agree on abolishing ICE - they're a iostake stemming from 9/11 reforms as I recall - but that's not actually an endorsement of most of what the "anarchists" do.

ICE wasn't created de novo after 9/11 - they are a product of reorganization and renaming.

"Abolish ICE" crowd does not want mere renaming but they want the whole immigration enforcement aparatus to be demolished. It is part of their extremist "open borders"/"no human is illegal" ideology.

Do you really agree with that?

 

[Derec]

I think it is a forum setting, like "All Facts that I disagree with" set to Ignore

I think you, Jimmy and some others have that feature set.

 

[Derec]

An identity/ideology defined exactly by the willingness to take direct action against fascist imposition.

Where direct action == violence and fascist == anybody to the right of them.

Antifa is not a broad identity like the furries. It is a group started as a paramilitary arm of the German Communist Party in the 1920s.

It's like calling yourself Schutzstaffeln and then playing dumb when somebody calls you a Nazi.

 

[Derec]

NO, i DO not see differences between protesting for racial/social justice,

Except that that is not an accurate description of what is going on on the far Left.