Le Pen: France is next. The Axis of Stupid will soon be complete.

[Angry Floof]

A refugee has a better status than British citizens. A refugee who has a family by definition can bring his family which is not a problem. However to bring my wife from the Philippines I have to satisfy an income test of a minimum of 18,500 pounds per year plus additional for the children. There are poorer Brits who cannot bring their wives in.

I have no objection to refugees brining their wives in but what about Britons who have been genuinely married for years?

So if you feel that the law treats you unfairly, your go-to response is to lobby for it to treat everyone else as badly as it treats you?

Why not lobby to have the law treat you as well as you perceive it to treat refugees?

Mainly for the reason I mentioned before.

 

[iolo]

We AGREED to whatever was done. Nobody asks us to enter into treaties, and only the lying scoundrels who lied to everybody during the Brexit grotesquery really have ever seriously suggested we had any fewer rights than, say, France. The whole business is low comedy, concerned essentially with splits amongst the tories. These nonsensical exercises in 'consulting the people' are illegitimate breaches of British constitutional practice, encouraging the ignorant to vote on anything that happens to be in their minds at the time, and is resulting in spite, bullying and attacks on the rule of law. We should return at once to Parliamentary democracy.

The Euro-grovelers agreed to what they were told not the people nor the sheeple.
There were lies on both sides in Brexit; its called politics. so why should politicians be different than anyone else. The plea is usually that the perpetrators honestly believed what they were saying was true. (After Blair in Iraq). We are better off as a single entity trading with everyone. We've had Blair and the Tories who succeeded him both of which should be unelectable. There is the debate whether a referendum should carry more weight than a parliamentary democracy. In this instance I think the referendum should prevail.

As you know. 'the People' is a fantasy concept much beloved by dictators and other crooks. Real people vote for parties they generally approve of, trusting those they elect to deal with the complex detail and voting them out if they disapprove of their doings. To ask every gash noodle to decide matters they know nothing about s bullshit, as well you know. Constant referendums are a guarantee of total dictatorship and constant spite, idiocy and bullying. If that's what you like, get a time machine and go back to live under Napoleon 111.

 

[whichphilosophy]

I don't mind the income rules. One should be in a position to support someone one brings into the country. It should apply to refugees, though--get a decent job before bringing family!

Yeah, why worry about their safety until you have a decent job.

This is true and should be considered as refugees are special circumstances. However if I did not have a decent job I can no longer bring my wife in unless I have a job myself and earn a minmum of 18,000 pounds per year plus for each child and have to be interviewed to verify if acceptable to reside in the UK (by proving intent to do so).
Refugees to me are equal in rights but should not be more equal than British citizens (of any background). We should also not try to stop allocations coming in.

 

[whichphilosophy]

The Euro-grovelers agreed to what they were told not the people nor the sheeple.
There were lies on both sides in Brexit; its called politics. so why should politicians be different than anyone else. The plea is usually that the perpetrators honestly believed what they were saying was true. (After Blair in Iraq). We are better off as a single entity trading with everyone. We've had Blair and the Tories who succeeded him both of which should be unelectable. There is the debate whether a referendum should carry more weight than a parliamentary democracy. In this instance I think the referendum should prevail.

As you know. 'the People' is a fantasy concept much beloved by dictators and other crooks. Real people vote for parties they generally approve of, trusting those they elect to deal with the complex detail and voting them out if they disapprove of their doings. To ask every gash noodle to decide matters they know nothing about s bullshit, as well you know. Constant referendums are a guarantee of total dictatorship and constant spite, idiocy and bullying. If that's what you like, get a time machine and go back to live under Napoleon 111.

Referendums are rare. The real problems Britain is facing, regardless of BREXIT is a lousy government which is attacking the poor people and pensioners. Under new laws. Incomes are stagnant (and I think falling). The Tories are now trying to turn the clock back to pre war times where a good economy could only be determined by a few well off industries and people out of work without government assistance. I'm sure some of the Tory voters could switch.

I take it you saw the TV coverage of Parliamentary affairs over the last few days. Corbyn could have a chance at the next election. If Britain goes into to debt, so what it's going into debt anyway. I don't know what will happen with the UKIP.

Meanwhile enjoy Brexit.

 

[whichphilosophy]

So if you feel that the law treats you unfairly, your go-to response is to lobby for it to treat everyone else as badly as it treats you?

Why not lobby to have the law treat you as well as you perceive it to treat refugees?

Mainly for the reason I mentioned before.

Refugees should be treated as de facto citizens and with full rights until they are citizens. Citizens who have worked abroad and return to live in the UK should have full citizen rights.

 

[Jayjay]

Yeah, why worry about their safety until you have a decent job.

This is true and should be considered as refugees are special circumstances. However if I did not have a decent job I can no longer bring my wife in unless I have a job myself and earn a minmum of 18,000 pounds per year plus for each child and have to be interviewed to verify if acceptable to reside in the UK (by proving intent to do so).
Refugees to me are equal in rights but should not be more equal than British citizens (of any background). We should also not try to stop allocations coming in.

You do realize that the income restrictions on British citizens have absolutely nothing to do with EU?

 

[Speakpigeon]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/world/europe/donald-trump-marine-le-pen.html

First the UK with Brexit, then America with Trump, now it looks like France is next.

Did I mention that France, the UK, and America are also ground zero for anti-vaccine crap in the Western world?

I think it's time to declare America, the UK, and France the Axis of Stupid.

The New York Times - Adam NOSSITERNOV. 11, 2016
In France, voters on the left and right routinely join in the final round of voting, to form what is called a “republican front” to defeat the candidate of the far right.

Not quite. Most voters on the left will vote if need be for candidates from the right against the ones from the National Front but voters on the right are much more reluctant to vote for a socialist and will abstain or even vote for the National Front. So if Le pen does get to the second round of the 2017 presidential election, which seems likely at the moment, she'll be more likely to win against a socialist than against a candidate from the right, probably Juppé or Fillon. Fillon comes out as more conservative and nationalist than Juppé, so again Le Pen will have more chances to get elected if she has to run against Juppé. But, it's now becoming very unlikely. It seems also very unlikely that a socialist, whoever this is, could get to the second round. and it is Fillon who appears to be the preferred option of voters on the right. Le Pen is much less likely to win against him. It will still be a shift to the right, even compared to Sarkosy. He wants to reduce the welfare state quite seriously so the critical issue is whether, as in previous elections, voters on the left will give their vote to Fillon on the second round against Le Pen, knowing that he is going to make life more difficult for them. Plus, the National Front has during the last few years adopted a somewhat social agenda borrowed from the left to woo working class voters and they are getting some traction. Still, this is somewhat compensated by the perceived social conservativeness of Fillon, which is attractive to a big chunk of the Catholic vote, some of which had shifted to the national Front in the last few years but could come back home so to speak on this occasion.

Me I think Le Pen has no chance.

But then again...
EB

 

[whichphilosophy]

This is true and should be considered as refugees are special circumstances. However if I did not have a decent job I can no longer bring my wife in unless I have a job myself and earn a minmum of 18,000 pounds per year plus for each child and have to be interviewed to verify if acceptable to reside in the UK (by proving intent to do so).
Refugees to me are equal in rights but should not be more equal than British citizens (of any background). We should also not try to stop allocations coming in.

You do realize that the income restrictions on British citizens have absolutely nothing to do with EU?

They do because some people coming over from Europe and other places were abusing the system. As a result restrictions were placed on everyone. This is to take the burden off the welfare system but it affects those now married to UK citizens of all nationalities. Perhaps the US can take these in.

 

[whichphilosophy]

A refugee has a better status than British citizens. A refugee who has a family by definition can bring his family which is not a problem. However to bring my wife from the Philippines I have to satisfy an income test of a minimum of 18,500 pounds per year plus additional for the children. There are poorer Brits who cannot bring their wives in.

I have no objection to refugees brining their wives in but what about Britons who have been genuinely married for years?

So if you feel that the law treats you unfairly, your go-to response is to lobby for it to treat everyone else as badly as it treats you?
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Why not lobby to have the law treat you as well as you perceive it to treat refugees?

The family of a refugee could be at risk if excluded so there should not be any restrictions on bringing them over. However while not at risk, a Briton should be free to bring his wife or her husband over if the marriage was legally conducted regardless of income. This is still being disputed by some groups.

 

[Jayjay]

You do realize that the income restrictions on British citizens have absolutely nothing to do with EU?

They do because some people coming over from Europe and other places were abusing the system. As a result restrictions were placed on everyone. This is to take the burden off the welfare system but it affects those now married to UK citizens of all nationalities. Perhaps the US can take these in.

It would have been a simple matter to make an exception to UK citizens. Besides I don't think the restrictions even apply to British citizens marrying people from other EU countries? At least not until Brexit becomes a reality.

 

[whichphilosophy]

They do because some people coming over from Europe and other places were abusing the system. As a result restrictions were placed on everyone. This is to take the burden off the welfare system but it affects those now married to UK citizens of all nationalities. Perhaps the US can take these in.

It would have been a simple matter to make an exception to UK citizens. Besides I don't think the restrictions even apply to British citizens marrying people from other EU countries? At least not until Brexit becomes a reality.

We're all in the Eu now so the thinking is that British citizens are member of the EU hence as we all share the same trough we are 'equal.' However I was checking this and under common law you cannot refuse a Briton the right to reside in England if they have worked abroad. However this is enforced as the Habitual residence Test. That is to say an unemployed Briton must prove he wishes to live in the UK if he is to benefit from assistance.

 

[iolo]

As you know. 'the People' is a fantasy concept much beloved by dictators and other crooks. Real people vote for parties they generally approve of, trusting those they elect to deal with the complex detail and voting them out if they disapprove of their doings. To ask every gash noodle to decide matters they know nothing about s bullshit, as well you know. Constant referendums are a guarantee of total dictatorship and constant spite, idiocy and bullying. If that's what you like, get a time machine and go back to live under Napoleon 111.

Referendums are rare. The real problems Britain is facing, regardless of BREXIT is a lousy government which is attacking the poor people and pensioners. Under new laws. Incomes are stagnant (and I think falling). The Tories are now trying to turn the clock back to pre war times where a good economy could only be determined by a few well off industries and people out of work without government assistance. I'm sure some of the Tory voters could switch.

I take it you saw the TV coverage of Parliamentary affairs over the last few days. Corbyn could have a chance at the next election. If Britain goes into to debt, so what it's going into debt anyway. I don't know what will happen with the UKIP.

Meanwhile enjoy Brexit.

I don't think that they are trying to turn the clock back, unfortunately - they started it under Thatcher, and are about back to the 1880's, at a rough estimate. It is difficult to know whether a decent, honest person like Mr Corbyn can survive in the era of post-truth and fuhrer-principles - we can only hope. I and two of my family rejoined the Labour Party on that basis, but I am not a betting man, fortunately: I only have to think about backing a horse and it drops dead, so let's hope I know a bit more about politics .

 

[whichphilosophy]

Referendums are rare. The real problems Britain is facing, regardless of BREXIT is a lousy government which is attacking the poor people and pensioners. Under new laws. Incomes are stagnant (and I think falling). The Tories are now trying to turn the clock back to pre war times where a good economy could only be determined by a few well off industries and people out of work without government assistance. I'm sure some of the Tory voters could switch.

I take it you saw the TV coverage of Parliamentary affairs over the last few days. Corbyn could have a chance at the next election. If Britain goes into to debt, so what it's going into debt anyway. I don't know what will happen with the UKIP.

Meanwhile enjoy Brexit.

I don't think that they are trying to turn the clock back, unfortunately - they started it under Thatcher, and are about back to the 1880's, at a rough estimate. It is difficult to know whether a decent, honest person like Mr Corbyn can survive in the era of post-truth and fuhrer-principles - we can only hope. I and two of my family rejoined the Labour Party on that basis, but I am not a betting man, fortunately: I only have to think about backing a horse and it drops dead, so let's hope I know a bit more about politics .

Society needs a voice that supports those who work for industry or who are unable through unemployment. Some people did well under Thatcher but others did not. I was lucky as I was in the Oil Industry but many were losing their jobs as a sacrifice for a falsely high economy.

The cock us over BREXIT and the economy could assist labour as the economy spirals out of control. Labour (as expected) gets mainly negative press, even more than UKIP which is actually supported in some media.

It may surprise you but I think the UKIP and Labour would actually make a better coalition than Labour and Tory or Tory and UKIP.
Labour would have the control on housing and welfare. The UKIP would restrict (not stop) economic migrants by way of work contract. Asylum seekers would not be impeded.

There is a lack of major housing infrastructure. This is what the government could invest in. Once there were enough houses around and the National Health Service is reinforced with more staff then additional workers would be required. I would also encourage some worker cooperatives being established. They a little harder than partnerships because everyone has a say. They do work in Italy but involve a lot of hard work and hours at times (from what I have seen). However we should restrict our quotas of people coming over (not ban) until we can restructure the economy. (By British means any ethnic background).