Arctish
Centimillionaire
There are already pipelines that cross the Rockies.
And some of them are in Canada.
There are already pipelines that cross the Rockies.
When you hear hoofbeats, think of horses not zebras.
Pipelines leak all the time. It's the nature of the beast. This one will be no different, no matter what pie-in-the-sky promises TransCanada makes.
I'm thinking some eco-nut, not someone trying to make them look bad.
Yeah, but you're still thinking sabotage when pipelines leak all by themselves pretty much all the time, even with regular maintenance and no sabotage at all.
Big leaks are unusual, but not so unusual that anyone should be surprised when they happen.
I'm thinking some eco-nut, not someone trying to make them look bad.
Yeah, but you're still thinking sabotage when pipelines leak all by themselves pretty much all the time, even with regular maintenance and no sabotage at all.
Big leaks are unusual, but not so unusual that anyone should be surprised when they happen.
No, pipelines do not generally "leak all by themselves". Especially not a new pipeline buried in the middle of a field. Where pipelines come in to surface facilities there are valves and seals that fail.
But barring decades of corrosion, a buried pipeline tends to fail because someone dug into it.
dismal isn't too far offset from the field, so I wouldn't take his statement with that large a grain of salt. In general, these things fail when you first use them (inadequate installation) or corrosion. It should be too new for corrosion, shy of a very corrosive area, but it'd have to be very very corrosive.Yeah, but you're still thinking sabotage when pipelines leak all by themselves pretty much all the time, even with regular maintenance and no sabotage at all.
Big leaks are unusual, but not so unusual that anyone should be surprised when they happen.
No, pipelines do not generally "leak all by themselves". Especially not a new pipeline buried in the middle of a field. Where pipelines come in to surface facilities there are valves and seals that fail.
But barring decades of corrosion, a buried pipeline tends to fail because someone dug into it.
Is this your expert opinion as a pipeline contractor?
dismal isn't too far offset from the field, so I wouldn't take his statement with that large a grain of salt. In general, these things fail when you first use them (inadequate installation) or corrosion. It should be too new for corrosion, shy of a very corrosive area, but it'd have to be very very corrosive.No, pipelines do not generally "leak all by themselves". Especially not a new pipeline buried in the middle of a field. Where pipelines come in to surface facilities there are valves and seals that fail.
But barring decades of corrosion, a buried pipeline tends to fail because someone dug into it.
Is this your expert opinion as a pipeline contractor?
I'm not too familiar with how long it takes a spill to be noticed. Depending on the leak, it could take much longer to produce enough material to become visible at the surface... and of course there is the tree falling in woods when no one is near it thing as well. Based on the photo, included in the OP, it doesn't appear to be sabotage, as the ground looks undisturbed, other than the saturated oil.
dismal isn't too far offset from the field, so I wouldn't take his statement with that large a grain of salt. In general, these things fail when you first use them (inadequate installation) or corrosion. It should be too new for corrosion, shy of a very corrosive area, but it'd have to be very very corrosive.Is this your expert opinion as a pipeline contractor?
I'm not too familiar with how long it takes a spill to be noticed. Depending on the leak, it could take much longer to produce enough material to become visible at the surface... and of course there is the tree falling in woods when no one is near it thing as well. Based on the photo, included in the OP, it doesn't appear to be sabotage, as the ground looks undisturbed, other than the saturated oil.
They hydrotest these things at well above their maximum operating pressure before commissioning so this makes the "leak was always there" theory unlikely.
It would be odd for a weld to pass the hydrotest and then fail shortly after startup.
Shit sometimes doesn't work. But I like the passive aggressive argument from dismal that it was sabotage, despite any evidence.dismal isn't too far offset from the field, so I wouldn't take his statement with that large a grain of salt. In general, these things fail when you first use them (inadequate installation) or corrosion. It should be too new for corrosion, shy of a very corrosive area, but it'd have to be very very corrosive.
I'm not too familiar with how long it takes a spill to be noticed. Depending on the leak, it could take much longer to produce enough material to become visible at the surface... and of course there is the tree falling in woods when no one is near it thing as well. Based on the photo, included in the OP, it doesn't appear to be sabotage, as the ground looks undisturbed, other than the saturated oil.
They hydrotest these things at well above their maximum operating pressure before commissioning so this makes the "leak was always there" theory unlikely.
It would be odd for a weld to pass the hydrotest and then fail shortly after startup.
It would not be odd for someone to fudge the hydrotest so the big expensive investment can start paying off.
Shit sometimes doesn't work. But I like the passive aggressive argument from dismal that it was sabotage, despite any evidence.They hydrotest these things at well above their maximum operating pressure before commissioning so this makes the "leak was always there" theory unlikely.
It would be odd for a weld to pass the hydrotest and then fail shortly after startup.
It would not be odd for someone to fudge the hydrotest so the big expensive investment can start paying off.
So, it looks like we have a few acres of land that has apparently been permanently altered and/or destroyed by a petroleum product.
So, it looks like we have a few acres of land that has apparently been permanently altered and/or destroyed by a petroleum product.
Permanent? You can remediate a spill like this for next to nothing.
It's somewhat amazing anyone would think this incident has much significance.
It is a matter of statistics. Do something, enough times, something will go wrong. Look at the Space Shuttle program, one of the highest levels of safety and care, and still, x number of missions, y number of disasters.So, it looks like we have a few acres of land that has apparently been permanently altered and/or destroyed by a petroleum product.
Permanent? You can remediate a spill like this for next to nothing.
It's somewhat amazing anyone would think this incident has much significance.
Yeah, all it takes is one tweet; "It didn't happen!". Problem solved.
Just like the Access Hollywood tapes, and Cheato now telling us that it's Fake News.
So, it looks like we have a few acres of land that has apparently been permanently altered and/or destroyed by a petroleum product.
Permanent? You can remediate a spill like this for next to nothing.
It's somewhat amazing anyone would think this incident has much significance.
Yeah, all it takes is one tweet; "It didn't happen!". Problem solved.
Just like the Access Hollywood tapes, and Cheato now telling us that it's Fake News.
It is a matter of statistics. Do something, enough times, something will go wrong. Look at the Space Shuttle program, one of the highest levels of safety and care, and still, x number of missions, y number of disasters.Permanent? You can remediate a spill like this for next to nothing.
It's somewhat amazing anyone would think this incident has much significance.
Yeah, all it takes is one tweet; "It didn't happen!". Problem solved.
Just like the Access Hollywood tapes, and Cheato now telling us that it's Fake News.
dismal is pleased that this can be remedied, which is nice. The trouble however, is if this happens where contamination into sensitive surface or subsurface ground waters occurs. Granted, anything can be remedied and there are lawyers to keep the price of recovery and lawsuits down.
So, it looks like we have a few acres of land that has apparently been permanently altered and/or destroyed by a petroleum product.
Permanent? You can remediate a spill like this for next to nothing.
It's somewhat amazing anyone would think this incident has much significance.
So, it looks like we have a few acres of land that has apparently been permanently altered and/or destroyed by a petroleum product.
Permanent? You can remediate a spill like this for next to nothing.
It's somewhat amazing anyone would think this incident has much significance.
Well, its permanently altered if they do nothing. Is it always guaranteed some remediation will take place even if its in the middle of Bumfuck, South Dakota?