Left wing trade unions- why do they support mass immigration?, I just don't get it!

[angelo]

Do you really think the union bosses give two tosses about the rank and file unionists? The more members there are the more union dues are collected, the more money they get.

 

[Bar-Jesus]

You've got to look at it relatively. Most people are for immigration. So any political party that goes for a wide appeal will be pro-immigration. It could very well be that the support for immigration is weaker on labour than for the Tories. Hard to measure.

ok, but you mean just toss ideology out the window? Like with the Trot Spew party - hardly makes much appeal to those on the hard left if they want to throw away all the working mans' gains

 

[Bar-Jesus]

. True, poor immigrants tend to accept worse wages and conditions, but the left wing solution is to get them better wages and conditions, not to exclude them. It's win-win unless you're of the employer/investor class.

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And how the fuck can the union 'get them better wages' when the boss now has hordes of unemployed to choose from?

Who's to say all the immigs will join a union anyway

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Well there ya go then. Unions aren't just workers' corporations but part of the left wing push for social justice, to which exclusion by accident of birth is obviously antithetical. Unions were never just that, even in the US.

This is getting to the crux, you see it's the Trot PC faggot brigade who want to 'save the world' - yep, just give it away to the world's poor and screw the locals!

 

[Canard DuJour]

Not in the modern era. Remember most are left of centre, which includes the pc brigades.

Do you really think the union bosses give two tosses about the rank and file unionists? The more members there are the more union dues are collected, the more money they get.

So by "left of centre" and "pc" you meant cynical capitalistic enterprise. OK as long as you're not expecting any serious response.

 

[Canard DuJour]

And how the fuck can the union 'get them better wages' when the boss now has hordes of unemployed to choose from?

Who's to say all the immigs will join a union anyway

I believe you've just answered your own question.

Well there ya go then. Unions aren't just workers' corporations but part of the left wing push for social justice, to which exclusion by accident of birth is obviously antithetical. Unions were never just that, even in the US.

This is getting to the crux, you see it's the Trot PC faggot brigade who want to 'save the world' - yep, just give it away to the world's poor and screw the locals!

And I believe I addressed this (insofar as it makes any sense) in the rest of the post you're ostensibly responding to, including the bit you've edited out.

 

[iolo]

Ok, but how is mass immigration going to bring the downfall of capitalism? Surely, it will just do the opposite, in fact we can see it now with the rise of the right in Europe, largely as a response to mass immigration. And you guys just go along with it, wtf

Why should it? You drunk?

 

[iolo]

We all knew American conservative were totally ignorant and uneducated, but we are learning that they are shit scared of almost anything and repeat bullshit they know to be untrue while hiding behind the yob Trump. We are disillusioned!

 

[laughing dog]

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[Jayjay]

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[DrZoidberg]

Do you really think the union bosses give two tosses about the rank and file unionists? The more members there are the more union dues are collected, the more money they get.

Have you been watching too many gangster movies set in prohibition-America? Obviously they care about the rank and file of the unionists. Of course that's all they care about. They're elected by the members directly. There's a very straight line between doing well and keeping their job. If they wouldn't care they'd get fired.

 

[DrZoidberg]

You've got to look at it relatively. Most people are for immigration. So any political party that goes for a wide appeal will be pro-immigration. It could very well be that the support for immigration is weaker on labour than for the Tories. Hard to measure.

ok, but you mean just toss ideology out the window? Like with the Trot Spew party - hardly makes much appeal to those on the hard left if they want to throw away all the working mans' gains

Wtf are you on about? The only political ideology that has anything to say about immigration are the right-wing openly racist parties. The rest of them have a pragmatic approach. So no need to toss any ideology out the window.

The communist international were ideologically cosmopolitan. But socialism has moved on since then. The Nazi party were also socialists.... not pro-immigration... at all, nor pro-communism. Socialism has developed into a whole family of loosely related ideologies. Same with conservatism. Most conservatists aren't pro mercantilism. But once upon a time those two words were synonyms.

 

[bilby]

Trades unions who support higher wages for foreign workers - whether they are immigrants or whether they stay in foreign parts - are acting to reduce the undermining of their members' conditions.

If your job can be given to a foreign worker, because he earns half what you do, then insisting that he must be paid at least three-quarters of what you earn might prevent the work from being off-shored at all.

Unionisation is strength through solidarity - if there is an outgroup - at home, or abroad - who are not supported by the union, then that erodes the effectiveness of collective action.

The idea that 'they' have to come over here to take our jobs is several decades out of date. It's a global economy; If 'they' can take 'our' jobs, then they can do it without leaving home.

 

[Bomb#20]

Do you really think the union bosses give two tosses about the rank and file unionists? The more members there are the more union dues are collected, the more money they get.

Have you been watching too many gangster movies set in prohibition-America? Obviously they care about the rank and file of the unionists. Of course that's all they care about. They're elected by the members directly. There's a very straight line between doing well and keeping their job. If they wouldn't care they'd get fired.

Of course that's not all they care about; and of course how much they care about the rank and file vs. how much they care about other things varies wildly from union to union. "All politics is local." A friend of mine is "represented" by one of the unions mentioned up-thread, the SEIU. He and his fellow city-government employees have been trying to get the SEIU decertified from representing them after years of having their local concerns ignored and their best interests subordinated to whatever the heck it is that the union bosses see as broader concerns. These employees aren't anti-union; they just want a more useful union brought in. The SEIU has been fighting them tooth and nail, and even threatened a "union-busting" lawsuit when they went to the city and asked for advice on how to get rid of "their representatives". The city told them its hands were tied and they were on their own. The SEIU bosses will not get fired over this -- two million organized workers aren't going to vote based on the problems in one city of 70,000. Some union bosses give two tosses about rank and file unionists and some don't.

 

[angelo]

There's a Royal Commission into union corruption happening now in Australia. Already half a dozen or so union leaders have or are facing time in jail, and the Commission is only about halfway through the investigation.
Of course union leader, and the Labor leader claim the commission is a witchunt, of course they would wouldn't they. They even tried to get the Royal Commissioner sacked. I tell you, these guys could teach the mafia a thing or three!

 

[Bar-Jesus]

Trades unions who support higher wages for foreign workers - whether they are immigrants or whether they stay in foreign parts - are acting to reduce the undermining of their members' conditions.

If your job can be given to a foreign worker, because he earns half what you do, then insisting that he must be paid at least three-quarters of what you earn might prevent the work from being off-shored at all.

Yes, but the thing is , these fucking retard lefties and unionists just love immigration itself , peace and love and all that - but no reason why these immigrant arabs, ex commies and blacks are gonna sign up to the union anyway! Just more power to the bosses with the backing of cunts like Corbyn , SWP and the like, get it?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Trades unions who support higher wages for foreign workers - whether they are immigrants or whether they stay in foreign parts - are acting to reduce the undermining of their members' conditions.

If your job can be given to a foreign worker, because he earns half what you do, then insisting that he must be paid at least three-quarters of what you earn might prevent the work from being off-shored at all.

Yes, but the thing is , these fucking retard lefties and unionists just love immigration itself , peace and love and all that - but no reason why these immigrant arabs, ex commies and blacks are gonna sign up to the union anyway! Just more power to the bosses with the backing of cunts like Corbyn , SWP and the like, get it?

Okay, this is a very different reality than the one I occupy. Quite racist and nativist.

 

[iolo]

The great trick is to attack the Unions, so that the tories shall have total power and let in Whomever they please, forever. It is amazing just how dim racists get, isn't it?

 

[Keith&Co.]

It is amazing just how dim racists get, isn't it?

Well, no, it's not all that amazing. Racism is so stupid, that saying racists can get stupid is something of a tautology.

 

[ZiprHead]

Have you been watching too many gangster movies set in prohibition-America? Obviously they care about the rank and file of the unionists. Of course that's all they care about. They're elected by the members directly. There's a very straight line between doing well and keeping their job. If they wouldn't care they'd get fired.

Of course that's not all they care about; and of course how much they care about the rank and file vs. how much they care about other things varies wildly from union to union. "All politics is local." A friend of mine is "represented" by one of the unions mentioned up-thread, the SEIU. He and his fellow city-government employees have been trying to get the SEIU decertified from representing them after years of having their local concerns ignored and their best interests subordinated to whatever the heck it is that the union bosses see as broader concerns. These employees aren't anti-union; they just want a more useful union brought in. The SEIU has been fighting them tooth and nail, and even threatened a "union-busting" lawsuit when they went to the city and asked for advice on how to get rid of "their representatives". The city told them its hands were tied and they were on their own. The SEIU bosses will not get fired over this -- two million organized workers aren't going to vote based on the problems in one city of 70,000. Some union bosses give two tosses about rank and file unionists and some don't.

Huh? It's a fairly easy and straightforward process to decertify a union. I've been through it myself.

https://www.nlrb.gov/rights-we-protect/whats-law/employees/i-am-represented-union/decertification-election

 

[laughing dog]

fucking retard lefties

fucking retard lefties

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