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Left wing trade unions- why do they support mass immigration?, I just don't get it!
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crispy
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Ok, I'll try and make a sensible post - Trade Unions that love mass immigration - I don't get it.
Surely more workers just empowers the bosses, so how does that help the working man?
More members of the union?
laughing dog
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Do you have any evidence of trade unions loving mass immigration?Ok, I'll try and make a sensible post - Trade Unions that love mass immigration - I don't get it.
Surely more workers just empowers the bosses, so how does that help the working man?
EricK
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A cynic would say that it is in the union's interest to have a weak work force who need the union.
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Which unions are we talking about exactly? I don't share your observation. It seems to me that it's the employers and businesses who are much more open to immigration than unions.
On the other hand, I don't see unions taking an openly anti-immigration stance either because it would alienate part of their own membership for political reasons, not to mention th epotential new members from elsewhere.
On the other hand, I don't see unions taking an openly anti-immigration stance either because it would alienate part of their own membership for political reasons, not to mention th epotential new members from elsewhere.
What a load of balls racists like BarHitler talk! Unionists, like anyone who knows anything about the matter, know that the bosses will get cheap labour whatever anyone says, and the only answer is to get them organised when they come. Fascist bullshitters will simply tell bigger lies about it even that Murdoch.
That's a bit like asking if there's any evidence for leaves falling from the trees.
Bar-Hitler, hey I like it, nice one
But you mean you're just gonna give up the fight, cause mass-immigration is, like, inevitable? Well, no it frigging isn't, it's only a recent phenomena in Europe, proudly backed by all big business, and govt shills.
And lapped up by the leftist parties and Trade Unions - whatever happened to the defence of the working man, groups like Labour Party, Shilliband etc.. have sold them down the river!
More workers = Lower wages, don't you lefties get it?
As a leftie you should fight for the worker, not the boss - right?
Bar-Hitler, hey I like it, nice one
But you mean you're just gonna give up the fight, cause mass-immigration is, like, inevitable? Well, no it frigging isn't, it's only a recent phenomena in Europe, proudly backed by all big business, and govt shills.
And lapped up by the leftist parties and Trade Unions - whatever happened to the defence of the working man, groups like Labour Party, Shilliband etc.. have sold them down the river!
More workers = Lower wages, don't you lefties get it?
As a leftie you should fight for the worker, not the boss - right?
Immigration is not inevitable except under capitalist dictatorship such as that we live under. You know this perfectly well, so stop your silly pretending.
hurtinbuckaroo
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That's a bit like asking if there's any evidence for leaves falling from the trees.
So it should be easy for you to provide that evidence. You did say you were going to TRY to make a sensible post; that implies some level of effort. Let's see it.
Ok, but how is mass immigration going to bring the downfall of capitalism? Surely, it will just do the opposite, in fact we can see it now with the rise of the right in Europe, largely as a response to mass immigration. And you guys just go along with it, wtf
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I give up. How is mass immigration going to bring down capitalism?
Is capitalism even a thing?
If you are claiming that "Left wing trade unions- [...] support mass immigration" then I presume you have a reason to believe this. For example, you heard a representative of a trade union saying they support "mass immigration" or you have seen an ad in print or video, or perhaps a mailer or robocall.
You further claim that this is as common as "leaves falling from trees". One can then presume you have LOTS of these examples.
It should be trivially easy for you to provide these examples so that we can come to see this well known truth. Indeed, one would expect you to post nothing at all on the subject UNTIL you have posted this foundational evidence for your claim. As you can see by the replies so far, it is not a widely known "fact," so your discussion cannot move forward until you set the stage.
Most people, introducing a topic, post a link to an article or video or press release that supports the new information so that people can come up to speed.
So - get your ducks in a row before you knock down your straw-man.
(It's mixed-proverbs day, by the way.)
You further claim that this is as common as "leaves falling from trees". One can then presume you have LOTS of these examples.
It should be trivially easy for you to provide these examples so that we can come to see this well known truth. Indeed, one would expect you to post nothing at all on the subject UNTIL you have posted this foundational evidence for your claim. As you can see by the replies so far, it is not a widely known "fact," so your discussion cannot move forward until you set the stage.
Most people, introducing a topic, post a link to an article or video or press release that supports the new information so that people can come up to speed.
So - get your ducks in a row before you knock down your straw-man.
(It's mixed-proverbs day, by the way.)
DrZoidberg
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That's a bit like asking if there's any evidence for leaves falling from the trees.
I think you're wrong. This is nothing I've observed and it's not even logical. It's primarily members of the working class who are opposed to immigration. Trade unions are primarily made up of members of the working class. So the logic would be that trade unions are more opposed to immigration than the general population. But it's all relative. People in general are very positive to immigration. So obviously members of the working class will be as well. Just less so than the more fortunate.
And what exactly is a right wing trade union? Isn't that a contradiction in terms?
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Who wants a down-fall of capitalism? You are very confusing today.
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This might be a good read as a general overview: Immigration Policy and Security http://samples.sainsburysebooks.co.uk/9781135853396_sample_517752.pdf
This one suggests labor unions tend to restrict immigration: Do Interest Groups affect US Immigration Policy http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/14195/1/14195.pdf
This one suggests labor unions tend to restrict immigration: Do Interest Groups affect US Immigration Policy http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/14195/1/14195.pdf
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My union supports "paths to citizenship" and "helping refugees" but opposes illegal immigration as a means of exploitation of labor by employers and a means to drive down wages. Notice how no position is taken on mass immigration or immigration in general. (Probably because we have many immigrants in our ranks.)
It does have a big red fist in its unofficial logo, so I guess it is leftist.
It does have a big red fist in its unofficial logo, so I guess it is leftist.
Cheerful Charlie
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Ok, I'll try and make a sensible post - Trade Unions that love mass immigration - I don't get it.
Surely more workers just empowers the bosses, so how does that help the working man?
And so, where did you get that idea? What unions? Where? all of them?
laughing dog
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Then it shouldn't be hard for you produce some. However, the evidence of your content free response suggests otherwise.
That's a bit like asking if there's any evidence for leaves falling from the trees.
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
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Ok, I'll try and make a sensible post - Trade Unions that love mass immigration - I don't get it.
Surely more workers just empowers the bosses, so how does that help the working man?
Can you give an example that we can look up? They've probably made a statement about it, if they exist.