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Like most of you, I don't like ideologies. Every truth claim should be evaluated on its own merits and we should not allow some list of dos and don'ts form our opinions. All the same, I identify pretty strongly with liberals. This of course means that my Facebook feed is choked with specious health claims. Natural this, organic that, paleo diet this, coconut oil that, gluten-free this, OMG GMO BADBADBADBAD MOSANTO!!!!!

The source of this of course is all that alternative medicine crap.

While some of the origins go back to hippy nonsense from the 1960s, this mostly goes back to a particularly dimwitted act of deregulation by two idiot liberal senators. This allowed certain health claims to bypass the normal FDA regulations and created the alternative medicine industry overnight.

Being wildly irresponsible, the mainstream media touted alternative medicine as something valid and sold the public on the idea that alternative medicine claims made in a regulation-free and science-free environment were just as valid as regular health care based on science and government regulation. They even touted "experts" they could site to "prove" to the public that this new alternative medicine stuff was valid and could be trusted. That the "experts" were quacks with no scientific basis for their claims didn't seem to matter.

So now a whole industry has sprung up around deregulated medical claims and medical products. Hordes of idiots buy into this stuff and have created a whole subculture in which they reinforce to each other in an echo chamber that they are in fact making perfectly reasonable choices about their health.

We've all heard the horror stories about people killing themselves or family members by choosing alternative medicine over real medicine.

What's stupid is the role ideology plays in all of this. Like I said, I don't like and don't trust ideologies, but in this case ideology should have saved these idiots and their idiot parents. Liberals frequently argue that profit-driven corporations sometimes need regulation to keep things safer. Based on these arguments, you would expect a liberal to prefer regular regulated health care over the unregulated free-for-all of alternative medicine. Yet this is not what happens in many cases, is it?

On the flip side, conservolibertarians frequently argue that a completely unregulated industry would produce better results and be safer than a regulated industry, thanks to the magic of the free market. Somehow, "rational self interest" is supposed to cause corporations to choose customer health over higher short term profits. By their own arguments, the quality of health care provided by the unregulated alternative medicine industry should be producing better and safer results than regular regulated health care, yet they consistently choose regulated health care over unregulated health care.

I find all of this incredibly bizarre.

It's as if no one is listening to the arguments coming out of their own mouths.
 
Google "alternative medicine, right wing". The far right has long been a champion of quackery. From vitamin madness to Laetrile and beyond. Anti-Flouride, anti-vax hysteria and on and on. To be sure you can find hippy-dippy new age liberals, practicing Reiki and herbal teas, but this is hardly the average American liberals' position on the issue of AM.
And of course, there is the religious right's utter hate of evolution, which now informs the latest medical advances.Mike the savage Weiner, one of the few right wing extremist talk show radio hosts with a PHD is an ardent supporter of homeopathy and other alternative medicines. Google for that for a good example of far right medical foolishness.


http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/altwary.html
[h=4]The NIH Debacle[/h] The National Institutes of Health's involvement with "alternative medicine" began in 1991 with creation of a small entity became the Office of Alternative Medicine (OAM) a few years later. It's creation was spearheaded by promoters of dubious cancer therapies who wanted more attention paid to their methods. Most of its advisory panel members were promoters of "alternative" methods, and none of its publications criticized any method. In 1994, the OAM's first director resigned, charging that political interference had hampered his ability to carry out OAM's mission in a scientific manner [10]. In 1998, Congress upgraded OAM into an NIH center with an annual budget of $50 million. Today the agency is called the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM) and has an annual budget exceeding $100 million [11].
When OAM was created, I stated: "It remains to be seen whether such studies will yield useful results. Even if some do, their benefit is unlikely to outweigh the publicity bonanza given to questionable methods." In 2002, Wallace I. Sampson, M.D., editor of the Scientific Review of Alternative Medicine summed up what has happened:
It is time for Congress to defund the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine. After ten years of existence and over $200 million in expenditures, it has not proved effectiveness for any "alternative" method. It has added evidence of ineffectiveness of some methods that we knew did not work before NCCAM was formed. NCCAM proposals for 2002 and 2003 promise no more. Its major accomplishment has been to ensure the positions of medical school faculty who might become otherwise employed —in more productive pursuits [11].
 
Who's idea was it to jam a hose up your ass and fill that space with everything from coffee to tree-root juice?

All in the name of "detoxification" of course.

To be sure, there are legitimate reasons for enemas, but I don't know if tree fairies care to have their souls ground up and mixed with water so that they can purify my precious colon.
 
Who's idea was it to jam a hose up your ass and fill that space with everything from coffee to tree-root juice?

All in the name of "detoxification" of course.

To be sure, there are legitimate reasons for enemas, but I don't know if tree fairies care to have their souls ground up and mixed with water so that they can purify my precious colon.

I like to believe someone walked in on a languid fetishist who had to come up with a quick explanation and discovered he found cash cow.
 
Google "alternative medicine, right wing". The far right has long been a champion of quackery. From vitamin madness to Laetrile and beyond. Anti-Flouride, anti-vax hysteria and on and on. To be sure you can find hippy-dippy new age liberals, practicing Reiki and herbal teas, but this is hardly the average American liberals' position on the issue of AM.

Extremists are generally champions of quackery, whatever direction they're extremists in.
 
Google "alternative medicine, right wing". The far right has long been a champion of quackery. From vitamin madness to Laetrile and beyond. Anti-Flouride, anti-vax hysteria and on and on. To be sure you can find hippy-dippy new age liberals, practicing Reiki and herbal teas, but this is hardly the average American liberals' position on the issue of AM.
And of course, there is the religious right's utter hate of evolution, which now informs the latest medical advances.Mike the savage Weiner, one of the few right wing extremist talk show radio hosts with a PHD is an ardent supporter of homeopathy and other alternative medicines. Google for that for a good example of far right medical foolishness.


http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/altwary.html
[h=4]The NIH Debacle[/h] The National Institutes of Health's involvement with "alternative medicine" began in 1991 with creation of a small entity became the Office of Alternative Medicine (OAM) a few years later. It's creation was spearheaded by promoters of dubious cancer therapies who wanted more attention paid to their methods. Most of its advisory panel members were promoters of "alternative" methods, and none of its publications criticized any method. In 1994, the OAM's first director resigned, charging that political interference had hampered his ability to carry out OAM's mission in a scientific manner [10]. In 1998, Congress upgraded OAM into an NIH center with an annual budget of $50 million. Today the agency is called the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM) and has an annual budget exceeding $100 million [11].
When OAM was created, I stated: "It remains to be seen whether such studies will yield useful results. Even if some do, their benefit is unlikely to outweigh the publicity bonanza given to questionable methods." In 2002, Wallace I. Sampson, M.D., editor of the Scientific Review of Alternative Medicine summed up what has happened:
It is time for Congress to defund the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine. After ten years of existence and over $200 million in expenditures, it has not proved effectiveness for any "alternative" method. It has added evidence of ineffectiveness of some methods that we knew did not work before NCCAM was formed. NCCAM proposals for 2002 and 2003 promise no more. Its major accomplishment has been to ensure the positions of medical school faculty who might become otherwise employed —in more productive pursuits [11].

That doesn't surprise me, but that still doesn't change what I see on my Facebook feed. Most conservatives and libertarians I know do not embrace alternative medicine despite the fact that it is the ultimate free market health-wise, while many of my liberal friends do.
 
That doesn't surprise me, but that still doesn't change what I see on my Facebook feed. Most conservatives and libertarians I know do not embrace alternative medicine despite the fact that it is the ultimate free market health-wise, while many of my liberal friends do.

Your anecdotes aren't really representative of the broader trends, and if you find it convincing the two anti-vaxxers I personally know are both right-wingers, and the individual who most prominently fills my FB feed with CAM-woo nonsense is a right-winger.

Also see: https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.or...-mandela-and-jesus-christ-rolled-up-into-one/

Or browse around sites like World Nut Daily without adblock.
 
I think if left-ish people have any sympathy for alternative medicines it is because of how traditional medicine has been tainted by big pharma:
  • big pharma "educating" (marketing to) doctors
  • doctors getting kickbacks from giving said medicines
  • etc

There is some distrust there. When you couple that with a market barrier in any market for sometimes better products from not becoming a "thing," there is a perception that alternative medicine X hasn't been given a fair outcome in the market. Consider, say, a Linux OS as an alternative medicine to Microsoft. Maybe it's better (maybe) but who rules the market and what will they do to keep Windows on top?

Or consider black elderberries, a known treatment for flu*. Why are there no pharmaceutical medicines for it? I am certainly not saying every alternative medicine is real--they aren't--I am just saying that there are some few valid alternative medicines and explaining the distrust. There is another quack industry that takes advantage of the distrust of mainstream medicine and also any of its failure--because yeah sometimes it does fail certain individuals--by claiming all of their alternatives are just as good as the few alternatives that work and that they're all essentially blocked by big pharma.

I personally agree with this: "[e]very truth claim should be evaluated on its own merits" but a lot of other people are disgusted with big pharma to give up on it completely or have personal experience with its failing and so are looking for something new when in reality there may be no good solution at all.

*

Elderberry flavonoids bind to and prevent H1N1 infection in vitro.

Abstract

A ionization technique in mass spectrometry called Direct Analysis in Real Time Mass Spectrometry (DART TOF-MS) coupled with a Direct Binding Assay was used to identify and characterize anti-viral components of an elderberry fruit (Sambucus nigra L.) extract without either derivatization or separation by standard chromatographic techniques. The elderberry extract inhibited Human Influenza A (H1N1) infection in vitro with an IC(50) value of 252+/-34 microg/mL. The Direct Binding Assay established that flavonoids from the elderberry extract bind to H1N1 virions and, when bound, block the ability of the viruses to infect host cells. Two compounds were identified, 5,7,3',4'-tetra-O-methylquercetin (1) and 5,7-dihydroxy-4-oxo-2-(3,4,5-trihydroxyphenyl)chroman-3-yl-3,4,5-trihydroxycyclohexanecarboxylate (2), as H1N1-bound chemical species. Compound 1 and dihydromyricetin (3), the corresponding 3-hydroxyflavonone of 2, were synthesized and shown to inhibit H1N1 infection in vitro by binding to H1N1 virions, blocking host cell entry and/or recognition. Compound 1 gave an IC(50) of 0.13 microg/mL (0.36 microM) for H1N1 infection inhibition, while dihydromyricetin (3) achieved an IC(50) of 2.8 microg/mL (8.7 microM). The H1N1 inhibition activities of the elderberry flavonoids compare favorably to the known anti-influenza activities of Oseltamivir (Tamiflu; 0.32 microM) and Amantadine (27 microM).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19682714

Emphasis added.

The effect of Sambucol, a black elderberry-based, natural product, on the production of human cytokines: I. Inflammatory cytokines.

Abstract

Sambucus nigra L. products - Sambucol - are based on a standardized black elderberry extract. They are natural remedies with antiviral properties, especially against different strains of influenza virus. Sambucol was shown to be effective in vitro against 10 strains of influenza virus. In a double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized study, Sambucol reduced the duration of flu symptoms to 3-4 days. Convalescent phase serum showed a higher antibody level to influenza virus in the Sambucol group, than in the control group. The present study aimed to assess the effect of Sambucol products on the healthy immune system - namely, its effect on cytokine production. The production of inflammatory cytokines was tested using blood - derived monocytes from 12 healthy human donors. Adherent monocytes were separated from PBL and incubated with different Sambucol preparations i.e., Sambucol Elderberry Extract, Sambucol Black Elderberry Syrup, Sambucol Immune System and Sambucol for Kids. Production of inflammatory cytokines (IL-1 beta, TNF-alpha, IL-6, IL-8) was significantly increased, mostly by the Sambucol Black Elderberry Extract (2-45 fold), as compared to LPS, a known monocyte activator (3.6-10.7 fold). The most striking increase was noted in TNF-alpha production (44.9 fold). We conclude from this study that, in addition to its antiviral properties, Sambucol Elderberry Extract and its formulations activate the healthy immune system by increasing inflammatory cytokine production. Sambucol might therefore be beneficial to the immune system activation and in the inflammatory process in healthy individuals or in patients with various diseases. Sambucol could also have an immunoprotective or immunostimulatory effect when administered to cancer or AIDS patients, in conjunction with chemotherapeutic or other treatments. In view of the increasing popularity of botanical supplements, such studies and investigations in vitro, in vivo and in clinical trials need to be developed.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11399518

 
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Like most of you, I don't like ideologies. Every truth claim should be evaluated on its own merits and we should not allow some list of dos and don'ts form our opinions. All the same, I identify pretty strongly with liberals. This of course means that my Facebook feed is choked with specious health claims. Natural this, organic that, paleo diet this, coconut oil that, gluten-free this, OMG GMO BADBADBADBAD MOSANTO!!!!!

The source of this of course is all that alternative medicine crap.

While some of the origins go back to hippy nonsense from the 1960s, this mostly goes back to a particularly dimwitted act of deregulation by two idiot liberal senators. This allowed certain health claims to bypass the normal FDA regulations and created the alternative medicine industry overnight.

Being wildly irresponsible, the mainstream media touted alternative medicine as something valid and sold the public on the idea that alternative medicine claims made in a regulation-free and science-free environment were just as valid as regular health care based on science and government regulation. They even touted "experts" they could site to "prove" to the public that this new alternative medicine stuff was valid and could be trusted. That the "experts" were quacks with no scientific basis for their claims didn't seem to matter.

So now a whole industry has sprung up around deregulated medical claims and medical products. Hordes of idiots buy into this stuff and have created a whole subculture in which they reinforce to each other in an echo chamber that they are in fact making perfectly reasonable choices about their health.

We've all heard the horror stories about people killing themselves or family members by choosing alternative medicine over real medicine.

What's stupid is the role ideology plays in all of this. Like I said, I don't like and don't trust ideologies, but in this case ideology should have saved these idiots and their idiot parents. Liberals frequently argue that profit-driven corporations sometimes need regulation to keep things safer. Based on these arguments, you would expect a liberal to prefer regular regulated health care over the unregulated free-for-all of alternative medicine. Yet this is not what happens in many cases, is it?

On the flip side, conservolibertarians frequently argue that a completely unregulated industry would produce better results and be safer than a regulated industry, thanks to the magic of the free market. Somehow, "rational self interest" is supposed to cause corporations to choose customer health over higher short term profits. By their own arguments, the quality of health care provided by the unregulated alternative medicine industry should be producing better and safer results than regular regulated health care, yet they consistently choose regulated health care over unregulated health care.

I find all of this incredibly bizarre.

It's as if no one is listening to the arguments coming out of their own mouths.

It is explainable though. I think that liberals support alternative medicine out of two threads running through modern liberal doctrine.

There is a strong distrust of corporations and big business. Their conspiracy theories involve big business hiding a way to run cars on water, for example. They distrust the big drug companies.

And while liberals support science, evolution and climate change, they have a fear of technology, nuclear power and genetically modified food.

Good post.
 
That doesn't surprise me, but that still doesn't change what I see on my Facebook feed. Most conservatives and libertarians I know do not embrace alternative medicine despite the fact that it is the ultimate free market health-wise, while many of my liberal friends do.

Your anecdotes aren't really representative of the broader trends, and if you find it convincing the two anti-vaxxers I personally know are both right-wingers, and the individual who most prominently fills my FB feed with CAM-woo nonsense is a right-winger.

Also see: https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.or...-mandela-and-jesus-christ-rolled-up-into-one/

Or browse around sites like World Nut Daily without adblock.
LOL...fun with anecdotes. Yep, my redneck/evangelical/conservative in-laws hate Monsanto on FB as well. And currently Carnival Cruz seems to be their favorite Repug.
 
That doesn't surprise me, but that still doesn't change what I see on my Facebook feed. Most conservatives and libertarians I know do not embrace alternative medicine despite the fact that it is the ultimate free market health-wise, while many of my liberal friends do.

Your anecdotes aren't really representative of the broader trends, and if you find it convincing the two anti-vaxxers I personally know are both right-wingers, and the individual who most prominently fills my FB feed with CAM-woo nonsense is a right-winger.

Also see: https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.or...-mandela-and-jesus-christ-rolled-up-into-one/

Or browse around sites like World Nut Daily without adblock.

I am aware of the problem with anecdotal evidence. Do you have evidence showing what percentage of conservatives ascribe to alternative medicine?
 
Your anecdotes aren't really representative of the broader trends, and if you find it convincing the two anti-vaxxers I personally know are both right-wingers, and the individual who most prominently fills my FB feed with CAM-woo nonsense is a right-winger.

Also see: https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.or...-mandela-and-jesus-christ-rolled-up-into-one/

Or browse around sites like World Nut Daily without adblock.
LOL...fun with anecdotes. Yep, my redneck/evangelical/conservative in-laws hate Monsanto on FB as well. And currently Carnival Cruz seems to be their favorite Repug.

Weird.

Up until the Trump campaign, I had quite a few conservative friends and relatives on my Facebook feed, and not a one of them mentioned any alternative medicine views nor shared any such links.

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Like most of you, I don't like ideologies. Every truth claim should be evaluated on its own merits and we should not allow some list of dos and don'ts form our opinions. All the same, I identify pretty strongly with liberals. This of course means that my Facebook feed is choked with specious health claims. Natural this, organic that, paleo diet this, coconut oil that, gluten-free this, OMG GMO BADBADBADBAD MOSANTO!!!!!

The source of this of course is all that alternative medicine crap.

While some of the origins go back to hippy nonsense from the 1960s, this mostly goes back to a particularly dimwitted act of deregulation by two idiot liberal senators. This allowed certain health claims to bypass the normal FDA regulations and created the alternative medicine industry overnight.

Being wildly irresponsible, the mainstream media touted alternative medicine as something valid and sold the public on the idea that alternative medicine claims made in a regulation-free and science-free environment were just as valid as regular health care based on science and government regulation. They even touted "experts" they could site to "prove" to the public that this new alternative medicine stuff was valid and could be trusted. That the "experts" were quacks with no scientific basis for their claims didn't seem to matter.

So now a whole industry has sprung up around deregulated medical claims and medical products. Hordes of idiots buy into this stuff and have created a whole subculture in which they reinforce to each other in an echo chamber that they are in fact making perfectly reasonable choices about their health.

We've all heard the horror stories about people killing themselves or family members by choosing alternative medicine over real medicine.

What's stupid is the role ideology plays in all of this. Like I said, I don't like and don't trust ideologies, but in this case ideology should have saved these idiots and their idiot parents. Liberals frequently argue that profit-driven corporations sometimes need regulation to keep things safer. Based on these arguments, you would expect a liberal to prefer regular regulated health care over the unregulated free-for-all of alternative medicine. Yet this is not what happens in many cases, is it?

On the flip side, conservolibertarians frequently argue that a completely unregulated industry would produce better results and be safer than a regulated industry, thanks to the magic of the free market. Somehow, "rational self interest" is supposed to cause corporations to choose customer health over higher short term profits. By their own arguments, the quality of health care provided by the unregulated alternative medicine industry should be producing better and safer results than regular regulated health care, yet they consistently choose regulated health care over unregulated health care.

I find all of this incredibly bizarre.

It's as if no one is listening to the arguments coming out of their own mouths.

It is explainable though. I think that liberals support alternative medicine out of two threads running through modern liberal doctrine.

There is a strong distrust of corporations and big business. Their conspiracy theories involve big business hiding a way to run cars on water, for example. They distrust the big drug companies.

And while liberals support science, evolution and climate change, they have a fear of technology, nuclear power and genetically modified food.

Good post.

One problem with your argument: the businesses selling alternative medicine are also corporations, although it's entirely possible that many liberals simply overlook that fact.
 
That doesn't surprise me, but that still doesn't change what I see on my Facebook feed. Most conservatives and libertarians I know do not embrace alternative medicine despite the fact that it is the ultimate free market health-wise, while many of my liberal friends do.

For me it is across both parties, but does lean liberal. Then again, my friends lean liberal. Not a single Trump supporter.
 
How many people here believe the following? :
1) Orange juice helps prevents colds.
2) Coffee causes dehydration.
3) Beer causes dehydration.
4) Carbs make you fat
5) Non-Celiac Gluten Sensitivity a Real Thing
 
Like most of you, I don't like ideologies. Every truth claim should be evaluated on its own merits and we should not allow some list of dos and don'ts form our opinions. All the same, I identify pretty strongly with liberals. This of course means that my Facebook feed is choked with specious health claims. Natural this, organic that, paleo diet this, coconut oil that, gluten-free this, OMG GMO BADBADBADBAD MOSANTO!!!!!

The source of this of course is all that alternative medicine crap.

While some of the origins go back to hippy nonsense from the 1960s, this mostly goes back to a particularly dimwitted act of deregulation by two idiot liberal senators. This allowed certain health claims to bypass the normal FDA regulations and created the alternative medicine industry overnight.

Being wildly irresponsible, the mainstream media touted alternative medicine as something valid and sold the public on the idea that alternative medicine claims made in a regulation-free and science-free environment were just as valid as regular health care based on science and government regulation. They even touted "experts" they could site to "prove" to the public that this new alternative medicine stuff was valid and could be trusted. That the "experts" were quacks with no scientific basis for their claims didn't seem to matter.

So now a whole industry has sprung up around deregulated medical claims and medical products. Hordes of idiots buy into this stuff and have created a whole subculture in which they reinforce to each other in an echo chamber that they are in fact making perfectly reasonable choices about their health.

We've all heard the horror stories about people killing themselves or family members by choosing alternative medicine over real medicine.

What's stupid is the role ideology plays in all of this. Like I said, I don't like and don't trust ideologies, but in this case ideology should have saved these idiots and their idiot parents. Liberals frequently argue that profit-driven corporations sometimes need regulation to keep things safer. Based on these arguments, you would expect a liberal to prefer regular regulated health care over the unregulated free-for-all of alternative medicine. Yet this is not what happens in many cases, is it?

On the flip side, conservolibertarians frequently argue that a completely unregulated industry would produce better results and be safer than a regulated industry, thanks to the magic of the free market. Somehow, "rational self interest" is supposed to cause corporations to choose customer health over higher short term profits. By their own arguments, the quality of health care provided by the unregulated alternative medicine industry should be producing better and safer results than regular regulated health care, yet they consistently choose regulated health care over unregulated health care.

I find all of this incredibly bizarre.

It's as if no one is listening to the arguments coming out of their own mouths.

It is explainable though. I think that liberals support alternative medicine out of two threads running through modern liberal doctrine.

There is a strong distrust of corporations and big business. Their conspiracy theories involve big business hiding a way to run cars on water, for example. They distrust the big drug companies.

And while liberals support science, evolution and climate change, they have a fear of technology, nuclear power and genetically modified food.

Good post.
If by alternative medicine you mean smart medicine, then sure, that's a liberal thing. The southern comfort conservative isn't going to have any thoughts about his fried food, not even when he's laying on the gurney and they're rearranging his plumbing because his arteries are clogged. Not even when he has to eat his dozen meds after snarfing down his biscuits and gravy. To these clowns that's how medicine is supposed to work. Fuck eating any broccoli, that's for communists.

Just wanted to add that when it comes to medicine the conservative battle-cry is something like, "You can pry my twinkie out of my cold dead hand."
 
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This study suggests that very people actually believe in a vaccine - autism connection, and that there is no relationship to political ideology. IOW, there is arguably more hysteria about the anti-vaxers than their is hysteria against vaccines.
Now, its true that about 1 in 4 Americans are against vaccination requirements and think it should be parental choice, and the number is a bit higher among conservatives, but that doesn't mean the person is anti-vax, just anti-requirement.

As for alternative medicine, I am having trouble finding empirical data on the political breakdown of those who accept or use clear-cut quakery in the realm of alternative medicine. My guess is that the OP is correct and that it is predominantly a liberal bent. While distrust of corporations is part of it, the fact is that big corporations are mostly who are selling them supplements, homeopathy, etc.. The bigger reason is the general religious like anti-modernism, anti-tech bent among many liberals. This is rooted in a naturalistic fallacy and a romanticizing of pre-modern cultures, combined with a desire to deny any superiority of Western culture, which includes "Western" medicine (aka scientifically based medicine).

There also seems to be a much greater liberal bias towards other quackery within mental health practices, educational fads, anti-science views of nuclear power, and anti-science views on various psychological gender differences, and the massively growing body of evidence showing highly stable differences in basic cognitive abilities including a genetic influence.
 
There also seems to be a much greater liberal bias towards other quackery within mental health practices, educational fads, anti-science views of nuclear power, and anti-science views on various psychological gender differences, and the massively growing body of evidence showing highly stable differences in basic cognitive abilities including a genetic influence.
Which can be seen in nature v. nurture debate. It's be nice to see if the breakdown is related to politics.
 
There also seems to be a much greater liberal bias towards other quackery within mental health practices, educational fads, anti-science views of nuclear power, and anti-science views on various psychological gender differences, and the massively growing body of evidence showing highly stable differences in basic cognitive abilities including a genetic influence.
Which can be seen in nature v. nurture debate. It's be nice to see if the breakdown is related to politics.

Agreed. Although, the liberals and conservatives who take anti-science positions are internally inconsistent in whether they take a nature or nurture position. They take whatever side suits their political agenda, and whether it coheres with the science is incidental. Most of the liberals who deny natural gender differences or natural cogntive difference between people are likely to take a strong nature position on homosexuality and transgender issues. In fact, its sadly amusing that people who deny that gender has any natural differences beyond genitals, contradict themselves by accepting that transgenders are psychologically the opposite gender of their genitals (which is impossible unless there are innate psychological differences between genders). Likewise, conservatives reject a "nature" explanation for sexuality and transgender, but accept nature differences for gender roles. Since the science usually supports a dual and interactive role of nature and nurture for these things, there are many liberals and conservatives who are on opposites sides and both anti-science in their extremism.
 
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