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Nobody thinks Joe Biden is as smart as his old boss, Barack Obama (though his IQ is probably higher than the present ilk of top GOPsters like Marco Rubio or high-school dropout Lauren Boebert). And, just like with me and others in their 70's his mental agility may be declining. But Joe Biden is fundamentally a decent person, a generous man who serves his country, not his personal greed.

Even Senator Lindsay Graham — so high in the Trumpist hierarchy that he's permitted to lick His Flatulence's taint with his open mouth — once said "The bottom line is if you can't admire Joe Biden as a person than it's probably -- you've got a problem. You need to do some self-evaluation."

Yet lies about Joe Biden are abounding without the slightest hint of truth. Some inane QAnon-inspired meme about "Brandon" has taken over, and even some low-IQ Congresscritters are pushing it.

There's a YouTube of His Flatulence leering at a 14-year old he passes on an escalator, and telling her he'll be dating her in a few years. Matt Gaetz is about to be indicted for actual sex trafficking, but he is a rising QOP star! Yet for the Bullshit Machine it is Joe Biden who is a child sex trafficker! Here's a Trumpist preacher with the message "Sleepy Joe is a sex-trafficking demon-possessed mongrel." (This preacher seems more intelligent and articulate than most QOP politicos. Will he become a Senator? Or promoted directly to the Supreme Court when QOP regains control in 2025?)

What motivated me to start this thread is the claim (by Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, Sean Hannity or MTG — who bothers to distinguish among these despicable comedians?) that Joe Biden said "End of Message" at a memorial for Bob Dole when reading a message off his teleprompter. But if you click for details at a REAL news site you learn that the "End of Message" was part of the Dole utterance being quoted! Indeed the emphatic "End of Message" gave special meaning to Dole's message. This was obvious to Biden, and obvious to anyone who watched Biden's actual speech instead of the doctored FoxNews soundbite. But liars got to lie.

The contrast between Trump and Biden is stark. Trump is an infantile brat who never matured, and whose own staff has so little respect for him that they let him board Air Force One with a roll of toilet paper stuck to his shoe! Trump's ONLY decent speeches come from teleprompters. (And at the end of the speech his staff prepared, he often ad-libs a contradiction to the speech!)

I'll repost what Trump sounds like when he's ad-libbing. (Yes, this is the 4th time I've posted this but I can't get over it! I think it should go down in history with the Gettysburg Address and JFK's promise to land a man on the moon.)
Look, having nuclear my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, okay, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, okay, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world it's true! but when you're a conservative Republican they try oh, do they do a number that's why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fort. you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we're a little disadvantaged but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me it would have been so easy, and it's not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners now it used to be three, now it's four but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven't figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it's gonna take them about another 150 years but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.

Sorry: No particular conclusion in this post. I just think the insulting lies directed against President Biden epitomize the depths into which the GOP has plunged.
 

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They PROBABLY think it's fully justified by, and an equal reaction to, all the time spent in the previous four years listing Trump's faults, failings, flailings, felonies, fabrications, and use of a sharpie to fully flesh out hurricane paths. But Trump actually DID get caught with the sharpie on his desk, and so on....
 

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Joe Biden is just the latest object of the Rove Doctrine. Karl Rove is the guy who created the strategy of attacking the opponent's strong points. This showed it's effectiveness when there were stories that George W Bush used political connections to enlist in the National Guard to evade service in Viet Nam. No big deal until he has to face John Kerry, decorated war hero who chased the Viet Cong into the tall grass. The solution was obvious. Start telling stories that Kerry was a coward whose medals were the result of family influence.

The reason Biden's mental acuity is an issue is solely to distract from Trump's lack of it.
 

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Lying works. More and more Republican voters think there is something wrong with the 2020 election than they did six months ago. The lying simply works.
Yes lying works. It is the main driver of propoganda and has been known about for many generations.. It worked during WW2 Germany and its functioning very well now with the monopolized main stream media of the US.
 

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I'll repost what Trump sounds like when he's ad-libbing. (Yes, this is the 4th time I've posted this but I can't get over it! I think it should go down in history with the Gettysburg Address and JFK's promise to land a man on the moon.)
Look, having nuclear my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, okay, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, okay, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world it's true! but when you're a conservative Republican they try oh, do they do a number that's why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fort. you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we're a little disadvantaged but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me it would have been so easy, and it's not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners now it used to be three, now it's four but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven't figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it's gonna take them about another 150 years but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.
As someone who actually agreed with most if not all of Trump's platform....I got to admit that was really out on left field somewhere. I can't even figure out what he was trying to say....
 

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As someone who actually agreed with most if not all of Trump's platform....I got to admit that was really out on left field somewhere. I can't even figure out what he was trying to say....

That places you solidly within the Trump camp. None of the rest of his sycophants can figure it out either, but they're all dead certain that it's something profound and true. And if you doubt it, ask him - he'll tell you so.
For his entire life, Donald Trump has done nothing but lie, cheat and steal. I have to agree; lying cheating and stealing while keeping people convinced that you're Jesus --- nothing short of a miracle.
 

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Lying works. More and more Republican voters think there is something wrong with the 2020 election than they did six months ago. The lying simply works.
Yes lying works. It is the main driver of propoganda and has been known about for many generations.. It worked during WW2 Germany and its functioning very well now with the monopolized main stream media of the US.
I thought that this comment was very interesting. Is it your view that all US media including CNN, MSNBC, Fox, Newsmax and etc are all lying and have been monopolized? Or is it your view that only the media left of fox news is lying and is monopolized? If the latter is true, where is the monopoly? BTW: in WW2 Germany, the Nazis took over all media. So, your comments above seem odd, unless I'm misunderstanding your point.
 

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So, your comments above seem odd, unless I'm misunderstanding your point.
No, I'm sure RVonse believes that. It's just curious that he never mentions NewsCorp or Sinclair Media while condemning monopolies.
 

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I feel like they are shouting “fire!” In a crowded Democracy. They have calculated that they can cause chaos and death and destruction and they think they’ll get people out, be able to set a fire in the chaos without being seen as the arsonist, and end up owning an empty building lot in a prime piece of town. They don’t care about the deaths.


It is horrible.


And people like RVonse love it and cheer them on. Perhaps he thinks they will give him a corner condo. They will not.
 

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I'll repost what Trump sounds like when he's ad-libbing. (Yes, this is the 4th time I've posted this but I can't get over it! I think it should go down in history with the Gettysburg Address and JFK's promise to land a man on the moon.)
Look, having nuclear my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, okay, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, okay, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world it's true! but when you're a conservative Republican they try oh, do they do a number that's why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fort. you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we're a little disadvantaged but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me it would have been so easy, and it's not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners now it used to be three, now it's four but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven't figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it's gonna take them about another 150 years but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.
As someone who actually agreed with most if not all of Trump's platform....I got to admit that was really out on left field somewhere. I can't even figure out what he was trying to say....

The strong opposition to Trump, for many of us, had little to do with his specific policies. His agenda wasn't too different from that of other GOPsters. I really thought TPP was a good idea, but even Hillary had been moved by popular sentiment to oppose that.

What made Trump so very abhorrent were non-policy issues. He leered at 14-year-old girls and bragged about grabbing pussy. His businesses like Trump University and the Trump Foundation were steeped in criminality. He stuffed his Cabinet with incompetents (Carson, Perry) and criminals (Ross, DeVos). And, whatever one's views on the "collusion," the deference he showed to Putin — divulging intelligence which cost the lives of top assets and meeting Putin without even a U.S. translator present —was unforgivable.

And, regardless of whether you think his signature "idea" — The Wall — was a brilliant idea or a horrid one, Trump himself initially thought it a stupid idea! It was casually inserted into a campaign speech as a test and only after Trump heard the crowd's reaction, did The Wall become so dear to Trump's heart.
 

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The strong opposition to Trump, for many of us, had little to do with his specific policies.
Trump had policies? He had slogans, sure. And he mumbled nonsensical crap whenever a camera was in front him and certainly loved making fascistic decisions/executive orders but I can't think of any legislation he advocated or changes to government he implemented. Seriously, what policies did Trump actually accomplish?
 

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Seriously, what policies did Trump actually accomplish?
I remember a very strong campaign promise Trump made.

"I will repeal the ACA! I'll replace it with Something Great."

He had a solid Republican majority on Capitol Hill to work with. So, what we've got now is TrumpCare. Amirite!?

Tom
 

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Lying works. More and more Republican voters think there is something wrong with the 2020 election than they did six months ago. The lying simply works.
Yes lying works. It is the main driver of propoganda and has been known about for many generations.. It worked during WW2 Germany and its functioning very well now with the monopolized main stream media of the US.

Except it's Faux/OAN/NoiseMax that are the real liars.
 

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Seriously, what policies did Trump actually accomplish?
I remember a very strong campaign promise Trump made.

"I will repeal the ACA! I'll replace it with Something Great."

He had a solid Republican majority on Capitol Hill to work with. So, what we've got now is TrumpCare. Amirite!?

Tom

Looking at what he actually accomplished: There was a rate jump when he made so much noise, but other than that I have the same insurance I had when he made that campaign promise. All he actually did is raise the price.
 

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What motivated me to start this thread is the claim (by Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, Sean Hannity or MTG — who bothers to distinguish among these despicable comedians?) that Joe Biden said "End of Message" at a memorial for Bob Dole when reading a message off his teleprompter. But if you click for details at a REAL news site you learn that the "End of Message" was part of the Dole utterance being quoted! Indeed the emphatic "End of Message" gave special meaning to Dole's message. This was obvious to Biden, and obvious to anyone who watched Biden's actual speech instead of the doctored FoxNews soundbite. But liars got to lie.
Snopes disagrees.

The words "end of message" were not part of Dole's column. It was most likely written down on Biden's notes to denote the end of the quote, and Biden did indeed misread it as being part of the quote. But at least he had wits to improvise it and add "And the message said" before it. So he wasn't just reading words out loud without thinking, nor was it at the end of the speech like some pundits claimed.

I agree about the mindboggling double standards that seem to exist between Biden and Trump when it comes to criticizing their respective mental faculties.
 

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I agree about the mindboggling double standards that seem to exist between Biden and Trump when it comes to criticizing their respective mental faculties
A fair comparison would evoke strong feelings of pity for the mango.
 

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Now for the truth: Joe Biden bought ice cream. It's a scandal proving that he is unfit for being the President Of The United States. Yes. Really.



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What motivated me to start this thread is the claim (by Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, Sean Hannity or MTG — who bothers to distinguish among these despicable comedians?) that Joe Biden said "End of Message" at a memorial for Bob Dole when reading a message off his teleprompter. But if you click for details at a REAL news site you learn that the "End of Message" was part of the Dole utterance being quoted! Indeed the emphatic "End of Message" gave special meaning to Dole's message. This was obvious to Biden, and obvious to anyone who watched Biden's actual speech instead of the doctored FoxNews soundbite. But liars got to lie.
Snopes disagrees.

The words "end of message" were not part of Dole's column. It was most likely written down on Biden's notes to denote the end of the quote, and Biden did indeed misread it as being part of the quote. But at least he had wits to improvise it and add "And the message said" before it. So he wasn't just reading words out loud without thinking, nor was it at the end of the speech like some pundits claimed.

I agree about the mindboggling double standards that seem to exist between Biden and Trump when it comes to criticizing their respective mental faculties.
Apparently, it wasn't toilet paper stuck to the bottom of his shoe, either:

Is That Toilet Paper Stuck to President Trump’s Shoe?

I think Swammi needs to expand his news sources beyond just Colbert.
 

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As a government employee through both regimes, it's been a relief to have someone relatively sane at the top, has a cascading effect of relative normalcy throughout the bureaucratic system. Things don't run great, but at least you have some idea of what to expect at the start of each day.
 

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Apparently, it wasn't toilet paper stuck to the bottom of his shoe, either:

Is That Toilet Paper Stuck to President Trump’s Shoe?

I think Swammi needs to expand his news sources beyond just Colbert.

So according to a Trump hanger-on, it was just a small moist piece of paper.

Wow! That changes everything.
No it doesn't change anything. Its about as relevant a news bite as Biden eating ice cream.

I can relate to the toilet paper stuck to the shoe thing, though. I was eating at a nice, huge Mexican restaurant in Santa Fe once, and used the men's room located at the far end of the restaurant just before heading out the front door to leave. There was a lot of water and TP on the floor for some reason. A long piece of TP stuck to my shoe (at least a foot long) and I walked to the front trailing it behind me. Nobody on my way through said a thing, until I got to the front and the host said, "Sir, you're trailing something." I think he was being kind of a wise guy, but I appreciated him letting me know while I was leaving and with no else around (except my dining companion). Thinking back on it, I'm glad a fellow diner in the restaurant didn't point it out (if it was even noticed) while I was walking through. As someone with social anxiety back then, I would have been mortified being the center of attention like that in the middle of a crowd.
 

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Now for the truth: Joe Biden bought ice cream. It's a scandal proving that he is unfit for being the President Of The United States. Yes. Really.



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The strong opposition to Trump, for many of us, had little to do with his specific policies.
Trump had policies? He had slogans, sure. And he mumbled nonsensical crap whenever a camera was in front him and certainly loved making fascistic decisions/executive orders but I can't think of any legislation he advocated or changes to government he implemented. Seriously, what policies did Trump actually accomplish?
The start of the end of globalism, neoliberalism, and liberal empiralism. No other conventional leader could have accomplished such a massive shift in US policy. These demographic cycle shifts that happen every 90 years or so anyway but they can not happen with "everyday run of the mill" leadership.
 

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Lying works. More and more Republican voters think there is something wrong with the 2020 election than they did six months ago. The lying simply works.
Yes lying works. It is the main driver of propoganda and has been known about for many generations.. It worked during WW2 Germany and its functioning very well now with the monopolized main stream media of the US.
I thought that this comment was very interesting. Is it your view that all US media including CNN, MSNBC, Fox, Newsmax and etc are all lying and have been monopolized? Or is it your view that only the media left of fox news is lying and is monopolized? If the latter is true, where is the monopoly? BTW: in WW2 Germany, the Nazis took over all media. So, your comments above seem odd, unless I'm misunderstanding your point.
The problem is that the media is too concentrated among too few hands. That mostly happened during Clinton's regime.
 

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I feel like they are shouting “fire!” In a crowded Democracy. They have calculated that they can cause chaos and death and destruction and they think they’ll get people out, be able to set a fire in the chaos without being seen as the arsonist, and end up owning an empty building lot in a prime piece of town. They don’t care about the deaths.


It is horrible.


And people like RVonse love it and cheer them on. Perhaps he thinks they will give him a corner condo. They will not.
Who is shouting fire? And who is the "they" you say I am cheering on and what the hell does a corner condo have to do with anything?

You have really lost me with this response. It makes about as much sense to me as the Trump ramblings in the OP's first post.
 

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The start of the end of globalism, neoliberalism, and liberal empiralism.
Sure. Whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.
Less globalism means the US bringing back to the US (mostly from China) high value manufacturing jobs, reducing income equality and strengthening the middle class. Less neoliberalism means less US involvement with military intervention throughout the world (also always at middle class expense), reducing CIA government overthrows for the purpose of helping overseas corporations. Less liberal imperialism means less US sanctions, monetary manipulations, and financial engineering on the rest of the world (also at middle class tax payer expense).

Basically the middle class was sick of all the aforementioned and spoke at the voting booths when they elected Trump.
 

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The start of the end of globalism, neoliberalism, and liberal empiralism.
Sure. Whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.
Less globalism means the US bringing back to the US (mostly from China) high value manufacturing jobs, reducing income equality and strengthening the middle class. Less neoliberalism means less US involvement with military intervention throughout the world (also always at middle class expense), reducing CIA government overthrows for the purpose of helping overseas corporations. Less liberal imperialism means less US sanctions, monetary manipulations, and financial engineering on the rest of the world (also at middle class tax payer expense).

Basically the middle class was sick of all the aforementioned and spoke at the voting booths when they elected Trump.

But Trump lost the popular election. His electoral victory was by razor thin margins in rust belt states with high electoral vote counts. It was really the conservative white blue collar vote that helped him squeak through. Biden won both the popular and electoral college vote decisively, and you don't mention what drove that victory. Perhaps the middle class was tired of gobbledygook, lies, lack of empathy, dictator-worship, and incompetence of the twice-impeached nut that Republicans somehow managed to squeak into the presidency in 2016 on an electoral fluke.
 

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Less globalism means the US bringing back to the US (mostly from China) high value manufacturing jobs, reducing income equality and strengthening the middle class.
Didn't happen under Trump. Trump's trade war with China cost jobs and hurt the middle class. Also not a policy, just a dick wave.
Less neoliberalism means less US involvement with military intervention throughout the world (also always at middle class expense), reducing CIA government overthrows for the purpose of helping overseas corporations
Also didn't happen under Trump. Ask Soleimani or anyone currently living in Yemen. He did block military pay raises though but insisted on pork barrel spending on projects like the F-35 and "The super duper missile". So yeah. Trump did keep that nice military industrial complex chugging along. That you fell for his bullshit doesn't change that.
A piece of advice RVonse; what people do is more important than what they say.
Basically the middle class was sick of all the aforementioned and spoke at the voting booths when they elected Trump.
Doesn't change the fact Trump did fuck all to address these grievances or have any particular policy. Case in point everything you described Trump as doing was nothing more than rhetorical horseshit.
 

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The start of the end of globalism, neoliberalism, and liberal empiralism.
Sure. Whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.
Less globalism means the US bringing back to the US (mostly from China) high value manufacturing jobs, reducing income equality and strengthening the middle class. Less neoliberalism means less US involvement with military intervention throughout the world (also always at middle class expense), reducing CIA government overthrows for the purpose of helping overseas corporations. Less liberal imperialism means less US sanctions, monetary manipulations, and financial engineering on the rest of the world (also at middle class tax payer expense).

Basically the middle class was sick of all the aforementioned and spoke at the voting booths when they elected Trump.
High value manufacturing jobs?!

What went to China is low value jobs! The high value stuff is still here, or else is being done by robots. The robots have taken far more jobs than China.
 

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Yes lying works. It is the main driver of propoganda and has been known about for many generations.. It worked during WW2 Germany and its functioning very well now with the monopolized main stream media of the US.
I thought that this comment was very interesting. Is it your view that all US media including CNN, MSNBC, Fox, Newsmax and etc are all lying and have been monopolized? Or is it your view that only the media left of fox news is lying and is monopolized? If the latter is true, where is the monopoly? BTW: in WW2 Germany, the Nazis took over all media. So, your comments above seem odd, unless I'm misunderstanding your point.
The problem is that the media is too concentrated among too few hands. That mostly happened during Clinton's regime.
Oh my; a random jibe against Joe Biden, hunh? If you're aware enough to think you know the chronology, why aren't you aware of the actual partisan alignments? :confused2:

Many of the important changes have been made by FCC decisions, usually decided by 3-2 vote. As just one example, "The U.S. Federal Communications Commission voted 3-2 on Tuesday [2020] to maintain its 2017 repeal of Obama-era net neutrality rules," My Google-fu isn't good enough to confirm that all these rulings had 3 R-appointees voting for Big Media, and 2 D-appointees voting No. Any bets?
 

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The start of the end of globalism, neoliberalism, and liberal empiralism.
Sure. Whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.
Less globalism means the US bringing back to the US (mostly from China) high value manufacturing jobs, reducing income equality and strengthening the middle class. Less neoliberalism means less US involvement with military intervention throughout the world (also always at middle class expense), reducing CIA government overthrows for the purpose of helping overseas corporations. Less liberal imperialism means less US sanctions, monetary manipulations, and financial engineering on the rest of the world (also at middle class tax payer expense).

Basically the middle class was sick of all the aforementioned and spoke at the voting booths when they elected Trump.
High value manufacturing jobs?!

What went to China is low value jobs! The high value stuff is still here, or else is being done by robots. The robots have taken far more jobs than China.
All manufacturing jobs are high value added. Simply because manufacturers take a low value raw material and adds the high value (profit) of production to make something useful. With high value added manufacturing it is at least economically possible to pay high wages. And in Germany where labor unions still have power, high wages are paid for this labor.

And the robots have not taken more jobs than China. It is the Triffin Delemma coupled with good old fashioned political corruption that has taken more jobs to China. The reserve currency paradox has all but killed exports out of the US.

 

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Apparently, it wasn't toilet paper stuck to the bottom of his shoe, either:

I think Swammi needs to expand his news sources beyond just Colbert.

So according to a Trump hanger-on, it was just a small moist piece of paper.

Wow! That changes everything.
No it doesn't change anything. Its about as relevant a news bite as Biden eating ice cream.
:confused2: The Swammi excerpt above was obviously sarcastic.

I'm trying to figure out which of your two posts were sarcastic, because if BOTH were sincere you're showing a giant cognition failure.

The correction from "toilet paper" to "small moist piece of paper" was so urgent that I needed to watch whoever (InfoWars?) instead of CBS. Yet it was all "about as relevant a news bite as Biden eating ice cream." (To take this at face value, I need to watch the Alex Jones segment on Biden's ice cream as well! :) )

:confused2: Were BOTH of your posts sarcastic? Perhaps you should prefix paragraphs with "[serious]" when they're intended as substantive.
 

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Less globalism means the US bringing back to the US (mostly from China) high value manufacturing jobs, reducing income equality and strengthening the middle class.
Didn't happen under Trump. Trump's trade war with China cost jobs and hurt the middle class. Also not a policy, just a dick wave.
Less neoliberalism means less US involvement with military intervention throughout the world (also always at middle class expense), reducing CIA government overthrows for the purpose of helping overseas corporations
Also didn't happen under Trump. Ask Soleimani or anyone currently living in Yemen. He did block military pay raises though but insisted on pork barrel spending on projects like the F-35 and "The super duper missile". So yeah. Trump did keep that nice military industrial complex chugging along. That you fell for his bullshit doesn't change that.
A piece of advice RVonse; what people do is more important than what they say.
Basically the middle class was sick of all the aforementioned and spoke at the voting booths when they elected Trump.
Doesn't change the fact Trump did fuck all to address these grievances or have any particular policy. Case in point everything you described Trump as doing was nothing more than rhetorical horseshit.
But his rhetorical horseshit was the horseshit that connected with half of the population. Because his rhetorical horseshit was horseshit that smelled different than the republican or democrat horseshit that clearly was not working for the middle class.
 

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But his rhetorical horseshit was the horseshit that connected with half of the population. Because his rhetorical horseshit was horseshit that smelled different than the republican or democrat horseshit that clearly was not working for the middle class.
That it accomplished the exact opposite doesn't register with you, does it? Talk about style over substance.
 

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Less neoliberalism means less US involvement with military intervention throughout the world (also always at middle class expense), reducing CIA government overthrows for the purpose of helping overseas corporations
But his rhetorical horseshit was the horseshit that connected with half of the population. Because his rhetorical horseshit was horseshit that smelled different than the republican or democrat horseshit that clearly was not working for the middle class.
Nitpick: I think "neoconservativism" is the word you're looking for where I've reddened. (Yes, all the ill-defined jargon gets confusing, especially with "neos" thrown in here and there.)
 

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High value manufacturing jobs?!

What went to China is low value jobs! The high value stuff is still here, or else is being done by robots. The robots have taken far more jobs than China.
All manufacturing jobs are high value added. Simply because manufacturers take a low value raw material and adds the high value (profit) of production to make something useful. With high value added manufacturing it is at least economically possible to pay high wages. And in Germany where labor unions still have power, high wages are paid for this labor.

And the robots have not taken more jobs than China. It is the Triffin Delemma coupled with good old fashioned political corruption that has taken more jobs to China. The reserve currency paradox has all but killed exports out of the US.

Automation, computers, and robots have taken away a lot of jobs. As many as China? Maybe, maybe not.
 

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Less globalism means the US bringing back to the US (mostly from China) high value manufacturing jobs, reducing income equality and strengthening the middle class.
Didn't happen under Trump. Trump's trade war with China cost jobs and hurt the middle class. Also not a policy, just a dick wave.
Less neoliberalism means less US involvement with military intervention throughout the world (also always at middle class expense), reducing CIA government overthrows for the purpose of helping overseas corporations
Also didn't happen under Trump. Ask Soleimani or anyone currently living in Yemen. He did block military pay raises though but insisted on pork barrel spending on projects like the F-35 and "The super duper missile". So yeah. Trump did keep that nice military industrial complex chugging along. That you fell for his bullshit doesn't change that.
A piece of advice RVonse; what people do is more important than what they say.
Basically the middle class was sick of all the aforementioned and spoke at the voting booths when they elected Trump.
Doesn't change the fact Trump did fuck all to address these grievances or have any particular policy. Case in point everything you described Trump as doing was nothing more than rhetorical horseshit.
But his rhetorical horseshit was the horseshit that connected with half of the population. Because his rhetorical horseshit was horseshit that smelled different than the republican or democrat horseshit that clearly was not working for the middle class.
Trump accomplished nothing for the middle class and is still popular amongst his supporters, which implies his support has nothing to do with economic policy, but isolationist nationalistic bullshit.
 

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The start of the end of globalism, neoliberalism, and liberal empiralism.
Sure. Whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.
Less globalism means the US bringing back to the US (mostly from China) high value manufacturing jobs, reducing income equality and strengthening the middle class. Less neoliberalism means less US involvement with military intervention throughout the world (also always at middle class expense), reducing CIA government overthrows for the purpose of helping overseas corporations. Less liberal imperialism means less US sanctions, monetary manipulations, and financial engineering on the rest of the world (also at middle class tax payer expense).

Basically the middle class was sick of all the aforementioned and spoke at the voting booths when they elected Trump.
High value manufacturing jobs?!

What went to China is low value jobs! The high value stuff is still here, or else is being done by robots. The robots have taken far more jobs than China.
All manufacturing jobs are high value added. Simply because manufacturers take a low value raw material and adds the high value (profit) of production to make something useful. With high value added manufacturing it is at least economically possible to pay high wages. And in Germany where labor unions still have power, high wages are paid for this labor.

Value comes from both workers and machinery. The value of the workers is based on skill. Jobs which demand a lot of skill generally pay well, jobs that don't rarely pay well. The high skill stuff is mostly still here.

Fundamentally, on a sufficiently large scale of a sufficiently specific operation it's always cheaper to have robots do a job, the only question being whether any particular task happens at a scale large enough to reach this point. There's also a substantial midrange where part of the job meets this threshold but it varies around the edges--in these jobs you will have humans dealing with the variable parts of the job and robots dealing with the repetitive parts. Finally, you have the jobs that are sufficiently variable that robots play little role. (For example, basically anything creative. You're doing something different every time.)

As technology advances the robots become cheaper and more flexible, the tasks they can do increase. Note that all manufacturing jobs are repetitive in nature, prime grounds for robots to take jobs. I'm thinking of my former employer--over the course of 20 years I watched the output per factory worker go up severalfold--and many of the jobs were becoming more a matter of assisting the robot. (For example, instead of cutting up the wood the operator would pick up the wood, mark any defects and put it on the intake of the machine. The machine would compute it's own cuts and sort the output into product and waste.)
 
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