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McConnell opposes House’s bipartisan Jan. 6 commission bill

And he is far from the only one.

Of course Captain Corruption aka "the other mac" is opposed, since he was complicit in facilitating the crimes of sedition, treason, insurrection etc.
House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) on Tuesday announced his opposition to a bipartisan deal to establish a panel divided equally between Republican and Democratic appointees, arguing that the commission should be looking into other acts of politically charged violence, as well. He charged that the proposal, which will be voted upon Wednesday, was “shortsighted,” “duplicative” and “potentially counterproductive,” focusing his blame on Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), despite the fact that several Republicans — including the top GOP member of the House Homeland Security Committee — have endorsed the measure.

Republicans are desperately trying to conflate the time-honored and constitutionally protected practice of public protest, with their treasonous attempt to overthrow the results of a free and fair election. It's going to be very difficult to find 10 members of the American Fascist Party who are willing to see the truth of Jan 6 presented to the American public.
 

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Part of me thinks is it really necessary to conclude Trump incited a riot and a GOP member of Congress was live tweeting the movements of Speaker Pelosi?

We know the White House refused to intervene, Trump released a Tweet against Pence DURING the riot, and even before this happened the Capitol Police weren't allowed to prepare sufficiently for that day. We know this already. But the GOP doesn't want to allow an investigation (remember the W Admin being against the 9/11 Commission because they were caught with their pants down) because this goes all the way to the top of the Trump White House, and several people, at best, committed acts that might not be illegal, but certainly was intentional negligence.
 

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If they really believe antifa was behind the riot, wouldn't they want an investigation?
 

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If they really believe antifa was behind the riot, wouldn't they want an investigation?
Obviously, this question answers itself.

No one wants an investigation into something that might implicate themselves.
 

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If they really believe antifa was behind the riot, wouldn't they want an investigation?

Indeed. The question answers itself.
Yes, yes they would. And they don’t. So.

The difference between what you say and what you do, is what you do.
 

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As long as the only investigations possible are those done by the Democrats and/or Republicans (by the Senate or House or other entity run by one party or the other), then we'll never have a real investigation.

There should be a way that a Grand Jury can do the investigation. There has to be a way an investigation can de done which is not controlled by the Reds and Blues.

It's not an "independent" investigation if its existence depends on a vote of Congress to make it happen.

Since the only truth to investigate is always limited to the Red or the Blue version, depending on who's in power, it's inevitable that the minority party has to always oppose any investigation.

Conceivably an ongoing "grand jury" or "investigating" system could be enacted by Congress and given unlimited latitude to choose to do future investigations into anything it chooses, without the Reds and Blues choosing each case to be investigated.
 

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As long as the only investigations possible are those done by the Democrats and/or Republicans (by the Senate or House or other entity run by one party or the other), then we'll never have a real investigation.

Good thing it's not the only possible investigation, and the FBI and other law enforcement agencies are investigating, and have already charged hundreds of people with crimes related to it.

I think you misunderstand what it means to have a Congressional investigation into the Insurrection. The investigation that they will be doing is to determine what security and intelligence failures occurred during the insurrection, and what can be done to keep it from happening again. I'm not exactly clear on whether or not Congress can even recommend prosecution against, say the former *resident. Perhaps someone else can fill us in on that. It does not matter, however, as the FBI is perfectly capable of investigating the insurrection and putting together a case against Trump and any of his cronies who may be criminally liable with regard to the insurrection.
 

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It's not an "independent" investigation if its existence depends on a vote of Congress to make it happen.

:rolleyes:

Congress has to vote to create an independent, no-partisan, apolitical commission to investigate.
That's the LAST thing the treasonous Republican insurrectionists want. If the Republicans weren't accomplices, that commission would have been created the day Congress was sworn in.
 

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It's not an "independent" investigation if its existence depends on a vote of Congress to make it happen.

Seriously?

A huge part of the reason I'm no longer willing to vote Republican, despite being rather "conservative", is the number of frivolous congessional investigations brought on by the Republicans.

From Slick Willy banging the secretary to Godzillary taking Colin Powell's advice on Email security, the list of congressional investigations Republicans demanded for partisan purposes is rather long.

Squealing "Lets just all be friends", at this stage in history, just makes Republicans look even more hypocritical and self centered.

No.
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How about instead of all these commissions we have two panels: One with a permanent job of investigating the Democrats and one with a permanent job of investigating the Republicans. Each panel is controlled by the other party.
 

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As long as the only investigations possible are those done by the Democrats and/or Republicans (by the Senate or House or other entity run by one party or the other), then we'll never have a real investigation.

There should be a way that a Grand Jury can do the investigation. There has to be a way an investigation can de done which is not controlled by the Reds and Blues.

It's not an "independent" investigation if its existence depends on a vote of Congress to make it happen.

Since the only truth to investigate is always limited to the Red or the Blue version, depending on who's in power, it's inevitable that the minority party has to always oppose any investigation.

Conceivably an ongoing "grand jury" or "investigating" system could be enacted by Congress and given unlimited latitude to choose to do future investigations into anything it chooses, without the Reds and Blues choosing each case to be investigated.

This is exactly why a non-partisan commission is needed to investigate the riot/insurrection/peaceful 1st amendment protest/tourists strolling through the capital. The commission will be made up of civilians, distinguished retired officeholders from the Congress or state and federal government, one half picked by the Republican leadership and the other half by the Democratic leadership.

The 10 members of the 9/11 commission were, according to Wikipedia, the  9/11 Commission,

Thomas Kean (Chairman) – Republican, former Governor of New Jersey
Lee H. Hamilton (Vice-Chairman) – Democrat, former U.S. Representative for the 9th congressional district of Indiana
Richard Ben-Veniste – Democrat, attorney and former chief of the Watergate Task Force of the Watergate Special Prosecutor's Office
Max Cleland – Democrat, former U.S. Senator from Georgia. Resigned in December 2003, stating that "the White House has played cover-up"[9]
Fred F. Fielding – Republican, attorney and former White House Counsel
Jamie Gorelick – Democrat, former U.S. Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton Administration
Slade Gorton – Republican, former U.S. Senator from Washington
Bob Kerrey – Democrat, President of the New School University and former U.S. Senator from Nebraska. He replaced Max Cleland as a Democratic Commissioner, after Cleland's resignation.
John F. Lehman – Republican, former Secretary of the Navy
Timothy J. Roemer – Democrat, former U.S. Representative or the 3rd congressional district of Indiana
James R. Thompson – Republican, former Governor of Illinois
 

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The Bush administration didn't want the 9/11 Commission either because they dropped the ball leading to the attack. The Clinton administration warned Jr. that the greatest threat to the US was Al Qaeda and the other non-state, non-government organizations like it. But the neocons and Jr. wanted to invade Iraq again and immediately pivoted the intelligence agencies to concentrate on state-sponsored terrorism. The month before the attack, Jr. was again warned about Al Qaeda and disturbing reports that middle-easterners were taking flying lessons for commercial aircraft but who didn't want to learn how to land them.
 

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GW Bush, like Trump, was a complete incompetent.

Failed businessman, like Trump. Not as many failures as Trump.

Trump took out loans and paid other people to build huge skyscrapers in New York.

But he couldn't manage to build a wall.

A huge problem with modern elections and the ability to manipulate people exists.

There is no mechanism to ensure competence wins out over bluster and show.

Too many humans prefer style to substance.

That is something a good education could mitigate.
 

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How about instead of all these commissions we have two panels: One with a permanent job of investigating the Democrats and one with a permanent job of investigating the Republicans. Each panel is controlled by the other party.

Great idea. One panel investigating the very real threat of right wing domestic terrorism. The other investigating the merits of Mr Potatohead or Dr Seuss or some shit.
 

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That would be so painful. Not thinking it would go well.
 

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That would be so painful. Not thinking it would go well.

Why? What could possibly go wrong?* Give QAnon nuts coercive powers in an investigation and I'm sure that will evolve into a bipartisan utopia.




*I realise that uttering this once innocuous rhetorical question with regards to GOP "policy" nowadays opens a can of "what the fucking shit" that was heretofore unheard of. I must admit I'm a little apprehensive even asking this ironically. But fuckit, no nice things for anyone.
 

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That would be so painful. Not thinking it would go well.

Why? What could possibly go wrong?* Give QAnon nuts coercive powers in an investigation and I'm sure that will evolve into a bipartisan utopia.




*I realise that uttering this once innocuous rhetorical question with regards to GOP "policy" nowadays opens a can of "what the fucking shit" that was heretofore unheard of. I must admit I'm a little apprehensive even asking this ironically. But fuckit, no nice things for anyone.

Of course the QOP would engage in stuff like another Benghazi investigation. Of course that costs money but does it do any meaningful harm? The idea is to avoid a situation where the party in power can choose not to investigate itself.
 

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Of course the QOP would engage in stuff like another Benghazi investigation. Of course that costs money but does it do any meaningful harm?

FUCK YES! Publicity and legitimacy are the same for these vile cunts. That's why Jewish Space Lasers become part of serious discussions. That's why a teenager with an illegal firearm crossing state borders to murder some people is considered a hero. That's why the largest act of domestic terrorism is considered exuberant tourism. That's why Hugo Chavez is still alive and actively plotting to overthrow America. That's why someone who sells pillows is considered an expert in election fraud.

These are no longer fringe ideas. They have become mainstream because of "both sides" bullshit and "fairness" false equivalency. Fuck these loons. They should never be put in a position of responsibility or power.

The idea is to avoid a situation where the party in power can choose not to investigate itself.

Fuck that. You can't trust GQPers to even use a toilet correctly and they form the base of one of these sides. I'll give a fox keys to a henhouse when the alternative is making the fox share with fucking Thanos. My solution isn't ideal. Yours is a fucking nightmare.
 

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How about instead of all these commissions we have two panels: One with a permanent job of investigating the Democrats and one with a permanent job of investigating the Republicans. Each panel is controlled by the other party.

This might actually be the dumbest thing you've said on this forum.

Congratulations, I guess.
 

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Of course the QOP would engage in stuff like another Benghazi investigation. Of course that costs money but does it do any meaningful harm?

FUCK YES! Publicity and legitimacy are the same for these vile cunts. That's why Jewish Space Lasers become part of serious discussions. That's why a teenager with an illegal firearm crossing state borders to murder some people is considered a hero. That's why the largest act of domestic terrorism is considered exuberant tourism. That's why Hugo Chavez is still alive and actively plotting to overthrow America. That's why someone who sells pillows is considered an expert in election fraud.

These are no longer fringe ideas. They have become mainstream because of "both sides" bullshit and "fairness" false equivalency. Fuck these loons. They should never be put in a position of responsibility or power.

The idea is to avoid a situation where the party in power can choose not to investigate itself.

Fuck that. You can't trust GQPers to even use a toilet correctly and they form the base of one of these sides. I'll give a fox keys to a henhouse when the alternative is making the fox share with fucking Thanos. My solution isn't ideal. Yours is a fucking nightmare.

Note that everything you're talking about has happened without what I propose.

As it stands it's always the party in power investigating the party not in power. I'm saying to give the party not in power investigative ability also.
 

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How about instead of all these commissions we have two panels: One with a permanent job of investigating the Democrats and one with a permanent job of investigating the Republicans. Each panel is controlled by the other party.

This might actually be the dumbest thing you've said on this forum.

Congratulations, I guess.

How about some indication of why you think it's dumb.
 

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Note that everything you're talking about has happened without what I propose.

As it stands it's always the party in power investigating the party not in power. I'm saying to give the party not in power investigative ability also.

I know what you're saying. And from an abstract hypothetical viewpoint I agree. What I am saying is that given the current state the GQP is in, there is no way they can handle such a responsibility, shouldn't be given such a responsibility nor have they shown any indication to accept such responsibility in good faith.

So, fuck 'em.
 

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How about instead of all these commissions we have two panels: One with a permanent job of investigating the Democrats and one with a permanent job of investigating the Republicans. Each panel is controlled by the other party.

This might actually be the dumbest thing you've said on this forum.

Congratulations, I guess.

How about some indication of why you think it's dumb.

The reason I don't like it is because it further entrenches the power of the Republocratic politicians.

I'm not big on bringing partisan politics into that issue at all. But I suppose, if I had to, I'd prefer a panel chosen by top members of the Green and Libertarian partys.
Tom
 

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How about some indication of why you think it's dumb.

The reason I don't like it is because it further entrenches the power of the Republocratic politicians.

I'm not big on bringing partisan politics into that issue at all. But I suppose, if I had to, I'd prefer a panel chosen by top members of the Green and Libertarian partys.
Tom

Why not do it like most other countries? Have a bunch of public servants who have worked for the government for so long (and for several Presidents) they are too fucking jaded for partisan bullshit.
 

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How about some indication of why you think it's dumb.

The reason I don't like it is because it further entrenches the power of the Republocratic politicians.

I'm not big on bringing partisan politics into that issue at all. But I suppose, if I had to, I'd prefer a panel chosen by top members of the Green and Libertarian partys.
Tom

Why not do it like most other countries? Have a bunch of public servants who have worked for the government for so long (and for several Presidents) they are too fucking jaded for partisan bullshit.

If not former gov employees, then at least apolitical private citizens. I think that's what the proposed independent 1/6 Commission would be.
Republicans don't want anyone giving air to the truth. They are complicit, they know it and will never ever ever assent to any credible fact finding body.

It's time to do away with the filibuster. NOW. Another few months and it will be too late.
 

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Architect Of The Capitol Outlines $30 Million In Damages From Pro-Trump Riot

$30 Million In Damages, and for some reason, the people on this forum who pretend to be so concerned with Property Damage have little or nothing to say about it.
Why?
Because it's not about property damage. It's about the skin color of the people causing it.
White people don't cause
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They just protest lib'ruls stealing elections by getting more votes.

Any minute now, the Turtle Troopers in DC will vote to dismiss any fact finding about that $30m in damages. It's not as important as saving us from the Dems' 1.8 trillion $ infrastructure boondoggle bill.
 

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The only way to get some white people to care about the damage done to black people at the hands of the police would be to allow those white people to own black people as property.
 
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