Michael Brown 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Derec]

Not the first time police has been LARPing GTA.

The suspect here survived though, and will spend a long time in prison.

 

[another1]

The lax policing in the ghetto was part of the reason for it. There were voices that wanted to do the "Broken windows/tough on crime" thing but the police superintendent at the time said "Fuck that" and went the community policing/neighborhood watch partner route. The results were fairly impressive.

Good deal. Glad they got things locked down. Last thing you need is BLM chaos in Richmond, considering race population and whatnot.

The ones that can't need to take off the uniform and find another line of work and leave that job for the people who CAN handle it without deluding themselves into thinking they're "at war" with anyone.

Yes and Wendy needs to stop spitting in my food. Arby's, Rally's, the whole crew hires people spitting in the food, and putting even worse thing into it. That is something that happens in the food industry. A certain amount of saliva is to be expected. Same kind of deal. People who CAN handle fast food are probably overqualified, and working better jobs. Spitting into my food is the high point of someone's day. Asking them to leave their job isn't an option. Fast food body cams?

They're not on HUD.

Yes they are.

urban blight and gentrification

What are those? Metal bands? "Giant glacier of poverty" makes sense. Yes I agree. And I'm more of a Picola's man, if we're talking Richmond. Chicago I will never visit, and I couldn't care less about the place. I heard they use mob corpses for concrete when they run out of rebar. That has always been an evil place in my opinion. But yeah, gentrification is your point maybe.

It's actually easier to be a thug than it is to be nothing.

I consider "thugness" and nothingness the same thing, Eddie. So I don't disagree. What have I fallen for?

You can steal cars and fence the parts, you can scam people, shake people down for money, or if you're twisted enough, kill people on a hired hit.

These are legitimate professions in Chicago? We can do that from our computer chairs can't we? But yeah I follow.

The truth is, some of the most ambitious and talented people in the ghetto actually become career criminals simply for lack of a better option. Simply living where they do and being who they are pretty much bars them from using their skills in a more socially acceptable line of work that would compensate them tot he full value of their talents, and with that first or second arrest for some petty possession charge or "accepting stolen goods," plus "resisting arrest" and "disorderly conduct" on top of it, they know they'll never EVER get hired as anything more meaningful than a dishwasher repairman.

Still agreeing. Smartest man I've ever met was black and semi-illiterate. Happens to be a drug dealer. Good one. And yep he'll never be hired as anything else, but he makes more than anyone else could pay him - even if he had a big school degree. I still consider him nothing but there was potential.

if you're too lazy to get a real job, you're definitely too lazy to join a gang,

Joining a gang is a survival tool for the lazy isn't it? Falls under cultural obligation at some point. The lazy are notoriously gang-minded aren't they?

The degeneracy is the the predictable result of the concentration of poverty on a population that has no legitimate way out of it

there is a way out, Eddie, but they won't like it. They push the timetable up when they go wild and break public property. Just a matter of time now. They think cops are dicks... Army men are TOTAL dicks. God I hope they calm down soon, for their own sake.

"beg your way out" and "shoot your way out.

400% agreed. Two choices. Well, one more if you consider suicide-by-cop. Sometimes that turns into a BLM issue. Acting like a dick to a cop can get you murderized, and I feel like people are starting to understand that.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

1) Bumping her like that would mean slowing down--increasing the risk of getting shot.

2) Knocking her down wouldn't disarm her--she could still shoot.

Would he have to slow down or speed up? And naw she didn't have a supervillain look to her. She wasn't going to do anything while flying through the air. I mean he'd have to be a stuntman to bump her in the first place. I don't know why you brought up the possibility. He'd need a lot of practice teasing people with his big evil police car to develop that skill.

No stuntman theatrics. If you simply knock her down you now have a gunwoman on the ground instead of standing up. She's not disarmed, the threat is not removed. You have to hit hard enough to either disable or or knock the gun out of her hand.

Following your strategy either means you're an idiot or that you are guilty of aggravated assault.

What strategy would you suggest? Maybe he could whip the car around, roll out, draw his gun and fire simultaneously and hit her gun hand? Oh wait school zone, no go on that. I think we agreed she's dead and the world is a safer place. But not really because two more crackheads have magically spawned. They never stop.

Eddie I'll read that. There may be a point to actually argue about

What the cop actually did--hit her.

 

[Arctish]

"beg your way out" and "shoot your way out.

400% agreed. Two choices. Well, one more if you consider suicide-by-cop. Sometimes that turns into a BLM issue. Acting like a dick to a cop can get you murderized, and I feel like people are starting to understand that.

So you have no problem with cops committing murder. In fact, you blame the victim because acting like a dick justifies extrajudicial killing.

Well, that explains just about everything you've posted in this thread.

 

[another1]

No stuntman theatrics. If you simply knock her down you now have a gunwoman on the ground instead of standing up. She's not disarmed, the threat is not removed. You have to hit hard enough to either disable or or knock the gun out of her hand.

That would have been my move. I'd just bump her slightly and lean over if she aimed, but I don't know how adrenaline and terror like that would affect me. I've never chased an evil, gun waving crackhead past an elementary school..

What the cop actually did--hit her.

He did hit her but he also ran over her. She probably died a slow death, once she was pinned under there, huh. I wonder if he held her hand. Maybe he tried to put her in cuffs, only to notice it was impossible because she only had one arm. I wonder which hand he held in that case. It would be cool to see what happened. I wonder if any white people would care. Doubt it. We sure don't, huh. Screw that crazy crackhead. All she had to do was drop the gun. She'd be out on parole, soaking up assistance again by now.

So you have no problem with cops committing murder. In fact, you blame the victim because acting like a dick justifies extrajudicial killing.

Are we talking about the white crackhead, or the black crackdealer? Michael Brown is in the thread title so I guess you mean him. Well, of course I have a problem with cops murdering black people. I'm required to apparently. Wouldn't it be a relief though...if we could give an even amount of energy unto all unjust (yet inevitable) police killings? Maybe it wouldn't be a relief at all, being that the majority are white killings, and there are sooooo many. Some sobering figures about the actual situation somebody? Put it into rap lyrics. Print it on blunt wraps. Whatever gets the point across in a way everyone can understand. It would have to mater oh so much more, if people understood the math. Fueling their illusion of persecution will just get more of them killed, and I'm no good at teaching math, so I can't help them. How in the hell can they BE helped? btw - saying "they" is not insulting, though it does look like it if you're black or misinformed about what it means to care about other races.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I consider "thugness" and nothingness the same thing, Eddie. So I don't disagree. What have I fallen for?

The idea that choosing an existence of lawful deprivation can be considered a form of success where unlawful prosperity cannot. People who are systematically marginalized by society don't have a lot of reasons to give a shit what society thinks about their life choices. THEY consider themselves to be succeeding, and by most absolute measures, they are.

In a sense, they're doing the same thing Donald Trump did in his business ventures, just doing it on a much smaller scale.

if you're too lazy to get a real job, you're definitely too lazy to join a gang,

Joining a gang is a survival tool for the lazy isn't it?

No. It's a survival tool for the industrious when other more lawful opportunities don't materialize. It's kind of like joining the military except the training is harder and you don't have to move anywhere. On the other hand, there are many gang bangers who actually do BOTH of those. To again reference Chicago: during the Iraq War it was estimated that one third to one half of gang bangers on the south side had either served or at least enlisted in the military. There were so many of them in the USMC that Corner Hustler gang tags started showing up in Fallujah.

People who are lazy do not join gangs because being in a gang takes a shitload of WORK. The choice to join comes from the fact that it's work that pays off a hell of a lot more than anything else they might think to do.

The thing you "fell for" is this idea that government assistance/welfare/whatever plays into any part of that. The kinds of people who sit on their ass all day living off the taxpayer are NOT the kinds of people devoting their time, money and talent to drug and weapons trafficking and they sure as hell aren't running with a gang. Those things require work and creativity, and welfare "moochers" have neither.

The degeneracy is the the predictable result of the concentration of poverty on a population that has no legitimate way out of it

there is a way out, Eddie, but they won't like it.

There are many ways out, but the way out that doesn't involve ethnic cleansing is expensive and depends on the investment of resources they don't actually have. Things certainly can't stay the way they are, so there's either the long slow slog through the valley of "fixing things without tools" or "protest loudly until they give us some better tools."

I spent enough years working in IT to internalize one simple truth: if you leave people to solve their own problems, you forfeit the right to complain when their solutions are terrible.

Acting like a dick to a cop can get you murderized, and I feel like people are starting to understand that.

They do. Hence the protests: people think this is a BAD thing that cops can shoot you just for being an asshole. It wouldn't actually be much of a problem if you could guarantee that cops THEMSELVES are not also assholes; "asshole with a badge and a license to kill" isn't something black people want walking around in their streets because, frankly, they've already got an abundance of assholes with guns and giving badges to some of them isn't going to solve that problem.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

That would have been my move. I'd just bump her slightly and lean over if she aimed, but I don't know how adrenaline and terror like that would affect me. I've never chased an evil, gun waving crackhead past an elementary school..

And you better hope the jury buys your stupidity defense. Otherwise you have admitted to running someone down without justification.

What the cop actually did--hit her.

He did hit her but he also ran over her. She probably died a slow death, once she was pinned under there, huh. I wonder if he held her hand. Maybe he tried to put her in cuffs, only to notice it was impossible because she only had one arm. I wonder which hand he held in that case. It would be cool to see what happened. I wonder if any white people would care. Doubt it. We sure don't, huh. Screw that crazy crackhead. All she had to do was drop the gun. She'd be out on parole, soaking up assistance again by now.

He hit her hard enough to stop her. Unfortunately, stopping someone has a decent chance of killing them.

So you have no problem with cops committing murder. In fact, you blame the victim because acting like a dick justifies extrajudicial killing.

Are we talking about the white crackhead, or the black crackdealer? Michael Brown is in the thread title so I guess you mean him. Well, of course I have a problem with cops murdering black people. I'm required to apparently. Wouldn't it be a relief though...if we could give an even amount of energy unto all unjust (yet inevitable) police killings? Maybe it wouldn't be a relief at all, being that the majority are white killings, and there are sooooo many. Some sobering figures about the actual situation somebody? Put it into rap lyrics. Print it on blunt wraps. Whatever gets the point across in a way everyone can understand. It would have to mater oh so much more, if people understood the math. Fueling their illusion of persecution will just get more of them killed, and I'm no good at teaching math, so I can't help them. How in the hell can they BE helped? btw - saying "they" is not insulting, though it does look like it if you're black or misinformed about what it means to care about other races.

I don't know whose words you are quoting above, they aren't mine.

Your problem is one that many people have--when faced with a situation with nothing but bad choices you can't choose the least bad and instead try to introduce some fantasy element to remove the need to make a bad choice, or else you throw up your hands and don't attempt to choose at all, even when that means a worse outcome.

It's actually a selfish position, all that matters is if you did good or bad, not whether the outcome was good or bad.

 

[another1]

I don't get your meaning Loren. I wasn't quoting you. Someone else said something. And yeah I still don't understand what you're saying. Probably the same thing as Eddie, and I'm also saying it.

Oh God there are even more words to read. Loren the rest of that I'll read when I can stomach thinking about this. Small doses of compassion for all races and both genders. That seems fair. Thinking about this any further seems unfair, doesn't it? Hey did you know that of the 20,000 people disappearing every day, ten of them are found? And 23,000 people starve to death. Those people deserve some attention today. BL will still M tomorrow.

 

[another1]

Naw black people are way more fun to ramble about. Other stuff turned out to be boring.

Your problem is one that many people have--when faced with a situation with nothing but bad choices you can't choose the least bad and instead try to introduce some fantasy element to remove the need to make a bad choice, or else you throw up your hands and don't attempt to choose at all, even when that means a worse outcome.

I'm not black. I'm acceptably white and polite to police, so I don't have a problem with them lately.

It's actually a selfish position, all that matters is if you did good or bad, not whether the outcome was good or bad.

I don't actually know what we're talking about. I'd like to talk about black people, I really would, but I have no idea what we're saying. I think we are agree and it is just awkward now, but that doesn't feel right at all. Something amiss.

Well that was fun. Hm. Do you think they're still mad? Black people? I haven't heard of any strangeness coming from the black people I somewhat know. I think everything is alright now.

I could use some minority friends. Having all white friends, and only dealing with minorities for drugs and stolen property... that seems unhealthy. But would it be healthy to seek out some minority friends with my intention in mind? I need at least one though. An Asian would be ideal. I like Asian women a whole lot. Middle Eastern women are my fav, so maybe getting some friends of that particular group could have big payoff. Which do you suggest? Mexicans aren't completely off the table but I'd rather start with something less popular. Anybody can cop a Mexican friend.

I'd like one of each, that way they collectively match the amount of whites I deal with. Willing sex partners of any race are always welcome. How can you make some toast if you're not in the kitchen, kind of thing. How can you butter your toast without opening the fridge, and how can you apply it without a knife, kind of thing. Someday I'll find that perfect minority friend. Some people look like a mix of all races. I mean yeah most people are, but some people, you can't nail down their actual race unless you ask them. That is the Holy Grail of friends. You're pretty much covered if you have that on your side. A friend like that (with a cool car) could mean endless sexual encounters with women of many races, which I consider one of the only reasons for living.

 

[Underseer]

Another1, I think you have been acting like a dick.

Am I justified in killing you now?

Or is it only police who are justified in randomly killing people who displease them?

 

[another1]

Yes I'm acting like a dick but am I wrong? And yeah a cop can get away with it but you can't.

Do you mean racist-like dickish? I don't think I'm racist. Do you think I'm racist, or just a dick?

 

[Underseer]

Yes I'm acting like a dick but am I wrong? And yeah a cop can get away with it but you can't.

Do you mean racist-like dickish? I don't think I'm racist. Do you think I'm racist, or just a dick?

I didn't ask if I could get away with killing you.

I asked if I would be justified in killing you.

So if I get a job as a cop and get a badge, and then decide that I don't like your behavior, am I then justified in killing you?

Yes, we all get that America is a place where cops can kill pretty much anyone they want anytime they want, and are extremely unlikely to face any kind of consequence for doing so.

However in other countries called "democracies," they have this crazy thing called "rights" including the "right to life," so police who kill citizens for something as trivial as deciding that you are a dick face very serious consequences. As a result, police in free countries generally don't go around doing things like that.

You seem so unconcerned about the fact that America has become the kind of place that does the very things we once mocked the Soviets for doing, so I'm trying to explore your lackadaisical attitude about living in a police state, and why you seem so unconcerned about it.

If I get a badge, I would be justified in killing you.

Do I also have to have my uniform on, or is the badge enough by itself?

How does your race affect whether or not I am justified in killing you?

 

[Underseer]

We've already established that there are circumstances under which you feel I would be justified in killing you.

Now we are just haggling over the price.

I'm just trying to establish the specific circumstances that need to be met. I wouldn't want to kill you in a way that you thought was unfair.

 

[another1]

Oh God. Oh dear God. Please stop. Sounds like you won't be happy until we have robocops. I don't make robocops man, sorry. We don't live in a "police state" btw. The idea of the police maintains peace. Police themselves only pick up crumbs. Yeah they drop one every now and then. Not my fault.

You could never justify killing me because I'm white and I'm polite, but if you have a badge you can get away with it, yeah.

Crumbs drop. Blame gravity if you have to blame something. Now please stop. You appear to be right because most people have no life experience, and they don't understand what we're actually talking about. Police brutality is not a problem. Just a symptom. I hate it more than anybody but I'm not going soft on these crackheads just because I appear evil for living in reality and expressing what I see.

You seem so unconcerned about the fact that America has become the kind of place that does the very things we once mocked the Soviets for doing, so I'm trying to explore your lackadaisical attitude about living in a police state, and why you seem so unconcerned about it.

Lacksadiasical? Dude I'm not looking up that word. Careless maybe? I'll go with careless. I couldn't care more, and I show it.

Explore my attitude? I think it is pretty clear how I feel. The problems causing the problems which cause the problems that affect this problem... you'd need more threads. Police aren't a problem man. Good God. What is really going on