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Apparently another disease is starting to make the rounds, and this one is far uglier than Covid.

Next up in the shitty apocalypse seems to be a plague of BOILS! Hooray!

It seems to be stemmed effectively by the smallpox vaccine but the question is, will we have enough in reserve if things get out of control yet again?

Or will people be fucking stupid, yet again?
 

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Marjorie Taylor Greene is already publically spreading the claim this is all a plot by Bill Gates and the Democrats to make big money and mandate evil, compulsory vaccination, and mask mandates. Huffing, and puffing, and drooling uncontrollably. There is indeed a monkey pox vaccine available. The worst forms of monkey pox have a 10% morbidly rate. Even Ivermectine can't make the ugly, oozing pustules go away. Survivers will be pox marked for life. If monkey pox takes off big time in America, I will be first in line for vaccnation.
 

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Marjorie Taylor Greene is already publically spreading the claim this is all a plot by Bill Gates and the Democrats to make big money and mandate evil, compulsory vaccination, and mask mandates. Huffing, and puffing, and drooling uncontrollably. There is indeed a monkey pox vaccine available. The worst forms of monkey pox have a 10% morbidly rate. Even Ivermectine can't make the ugly, oozing pustules go away. Survivers will be pox marked for life. If monkey pox takes off big time in America, I will be first in line for vaccnation.
I'm certainly not going to fuck around with it.

Like, how do they not see that the ones getting killed by plagues of boils and respiratory disease are... They themselves?!?

If monkey pox takes off big time in America, maybe we can hope to see all these antivaxx covidiots actually win enough Darwin awards to turn the elections?
 

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Monkeypox appears to affect a certain demographic engaged in certain behavior. Most people will be alright.
 

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I remember in my youth buying pot called monkeypaw. Tight fat buds that got you high Af. I'm not sure if this is the same thing.
 

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Monkeypox appears to affect a certain demographic engaged in certain behavior. Most people will be alright.
Sure. :rolleyesa:

And obviously, if you don’t expect it to affect you personally, you needn’t give a crap at all. Because that attitude has never ever backfired at all.

In other news, only gay men get AIDS, so it’s not a problem and never will be.
 

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Monkeypox appears to affect a certain demographic engaged in certain behavior. Most people will be alright.
Sure. :rolleyesa:

And obviously, if you don’t expect it to affect you personally, you needn’t give a crap at all. Because that attitude has never ever backfired at all.

In other news, only gay men get AIDS, so it’s not a problem and never will be.
Clutch your pearls more. But avoid the gay origies.

 

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Monkeypox appears to affect a certain demographic engaged in certain behavior. Most people will be alright.
Sure. :rolleyesa:

And obviously, if you don’t expect it to affect you personally, you needn’t give a crap at all. Because that attitude has never ever backfired at all.

In other news, only gay men get AIDS, so it’s not a problem and never will be.
Clutch your pearls more. But avoid the gay origies.

Yeah. It’s like the 1980s all over again.

Homophobic morons with no clue about epidemiology, smugly certain that a virus has the same prejudices that they do, and confident that they therefore have nothing to worry about.

Those who refuse to learn from history…
 

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Monkeypox appears to affect a certain demographic engaged in certain behavior. Most people will be alright.
Sure. :rolleyesa:

And obviously, if you don’t expect it to affect you personally, you needn’t give a crap at all. Because that attitude has never ever backfired at all.

In other news, only gay men get AIDS, so it’s not a problem and never will be.
Clutch your pearls more. But avoid the gay origies.

Yeah. It’s like the 1980s all over again.

Homophobic morons with no clue about epidemiology, smugly certain that a virus has the same prejudices that they do, and confident that they therefore have nothing to worry about.

Those who refuse to learn from history…
Not to mention that whole spread-by-contact part, and the fact that the pustules leave behind an active infective residue that is persistent just like smallpox does.

I'll laugh though when all us gay folks are vaccinated because we want to have sex, and it's all these antivaxx cucks that are sporting lifelong pox marks proclaiming them to be raging fucking idiots.
 

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Monkeypox appears to affect a certain demographic engaged in certain behavior. Most people will be alright.
A million Americans died from Covid-19, and you weren't worried about that. So your concerns aren't particularly worth much.

From what I've read, Monkey Pox is not an alarming thing, like the Omicron variant became instantly. I'll stick to the pros, and not people that have shown the incredible lengths they'll go regarding apathy.
 

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Monkeypox appears to affect a certain demographic engaged in certain behavior. Most people will be alright.
No reason to think that's anything but chance. The transmission is close contact for a period of time--gay or straight makes no difference, it's just sex does provide sufficient contact for transmission. It's always been around but the younger crowd is more vulnerable (there is cross protection from the smallpox vaccine) and there were a couple of superspreader events that got it in the news. R0 is well below 1, unless we are looking at a mutation this is just a fluke.
 

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Monkeypox appears to affect a certain demographic engaged in certain behavior. Most people will be alright.
No reason to think that's anything but chance. The transmission is close contact for a period of time--gay or straight makes no difference, it's just sex does provide sufficient contact for transmission. It's always been around but the younger crowd is more vulnerable (there is cross protection from the smallpox vaccine) and there were a couple of superspreader events that got it in the news. R0 is well below 1, unless we are looking at a mutation this is just a fluke.
But of course, "primarily spread by men who have sex with men" is a much catchier tagline than "primarily spread at a handful of social gatherings in Europe". People are more likely to read a headline that makes it sound like their already-distrusted neighbor poses an existential threat, than one which makes it sound like it has nothing to do with them personally.

Evidence: the fact that everyone in the US and Europe utterly ignored monkeypox when it was an "African problem" and gays weren't involved. We have known about this disease since 1956. Without queer white men to blame for it, epidemics just aren't news worth caring about to your average Western news reader. We aren't a fact about the story, we are the story.
 

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The US has enough smallpox vaccine in reserve for everyone. It is in case it is used as a bioweapon. No reason not to get one if you can.
 

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The US has enough smallpox vaccine in reserve for everyone. It is in case it is used as a bioweapon. No reason not to get one if you can.
If everyone gets the smallpox vaccine you're looking at a few hundred dead.
And, the best part about using the vaccine now? Bioweapon use becomes ineffective for at least long enough to refresh the supply.
 

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The US has enough smallpox vaccine in reserve for everyone. It is in case it is used as a bioweapon. No reason not to get one if you can.
If everyone gets the smallpox vaccine you're looking at a few hundred dead.
And, the best part about using the vaccine now? Bioweapon use becomes ineffective for at least long enough to refresh the supply.
And they can't engineer a variant that evades the vaccine??
 

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The US has enough smallpox vaccine in reserve for everyone. It is in case it is used as a bioweapon. No reason not to get one if you can.
If everyone gets the smallpox vaccine you're looking at a few hundred dead.
And, the best part about using the vaccine now? Bioweapon use becomes ineffective for at least long enough to refresh the supply.
And they can't engineer a variant that evades the vaccine??
So, think about that with respect to our vaccine supply...
 

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We need to immediately, uniformly, loudly demand USE of the national strategic smallpox vaccine reserve.

If we do not, we will see a new wave of vilification of gay people.

All our rights will roll back.

Edit: well, I guess we have our casting pick for "whore of Babylon"

As to Loren since you didn't unfuck your own post:

The US has enough smallpox vaccine in reserve for everyone. It is in case it is used as a bioweapon. No reason not to get one if you can.
If everyone gets the smallpox vaccine you're looking at a few hundred dead.
And, the best part about using the vaccine now? Bioweapon use becomes ineffective for at least long enough to refresh the supply.
And they can't engineer a variant that evades the vaccine??
So, think about that with respect to our vaccine supply...
If an evasive variant is engineered, the vaccine we had was already useless for it, so it's not like having an ineffective vaccine rather than having used it will make any difference to that scenario.

The exact answer to this is to, as non-violently as will work, demand use of the strategic national reserve, and just rebuild it before the next generation of need.


Every gay and queer person, if they wish to prevent this, and any decent person who loves their queer neighbors, must join this demand.
 
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Aside from every fiber of my being screaming in outrage and horror at the anti-gay bias shown by some in this thread, I'm a bit curious if those of us old enough to have been vaccinated against smallpox would be immune.

I also know that there is sufficient smallpox vaccine that troops being deployed to certain regions were routinely vaccinated against it within the last 10 years.
 

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The US has enough smallpox vaccine in reserve for everyone. It is in case it is used as a bioweapon. No reason not to get one if you can.
If everyone gets the smallpox vaccine you're looking at a few hundred dead.
And, the best part about using the vaccine now? Bioweapon use becomes ineffective for at least long enough to refresh the supply.
And they can't engineer a variant that evades the vaccine??
So, think about that with respect to our vaccine supply...
I think you misunderstood.

I'm questioning how useful the vaccine would be against a bioweapon because I would expect the bioweapon to be engineered to get past the vaccine.
 

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Aside from every fiber of my being screaming in outrage and horror at the anti-gay bias shown by some in this thread, I'm a bit curious if those of us old enough to have been vaccinated against smallpox would be immune.

I also know that there is sufficient smallpox vaccine that troops being deployed to certain regions were routinely vaccinated against it within the last 10 years.

Some protection, I don't think we have any data on how good it is. My wife got the Cowpox version and I find even less information about it.
 

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The US has enough smallpox vaccine in reserve for everyone. It is in case it is used as a bioweapon. No reason not to get one if you can.
If everyone gets the smallpox vaccine you're looking at a few hundred dead.
And, the best part about using the vaccine now? Bioweapon use becomes ineffective for at least long enough to refresh the supply.
And they can't engineer a variant that evades the vaccine??
So, think about that with respect to our vaccine supply...
I think you misunderstood.

I'm questioning how useful the vaccine would be against a bioweapon because I would expect the bioweapon to be engineered to get past the vaccine.
Ah, my bad. So all the more reason we should just USE IT!
 

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Aside from every fiber of my being screaming in outrage and horror at the anti-gay bias shown by some in this thread, I'm a bit curious if those of us old enough to have been vaccinated against smallpox would be immune.

I also know that there is sufficient smallpox vaccine that troops being deployed to certain regions were routinely vaccinated against it within the last 10 years.

Some protection, I don't think we have any data on how good it is. My wife got the Cowpox version and I find even less information about it.
85%. Smallpox vaccine is 85% effective against Monkeypox
 

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Aside from every fiber of my being screaming in outrage and horror at the anti-gay bias shown by some in this thread, I'm a bit curious if those of us old enough to have been vaccinated against smallpox would be immune.

I also know that there is sufficient smallpox vaccine that troops being deployed to certain regions were routinely vaccinated against it within the last 10 years.

Some protection, I don't think we have any data on how good it is. My wife got the Cowpox version and I find even less information about it.
85%. Smallpox vaccine is 85% effective against Monkeypox
Do you have links? Like most people of my generation, I was vaccinated….as a child. Long enough ago that I have no idea when, but I have the scar. I’m curious about whether I still have immunity, give that smallpox has been effectively irradiated in the US. Vaccines wane in effectiveness over time of there is no exposure to the infectious agent.
 

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Aside from every fiber of my being screaming in outrage and horror at the anti-gay bias shown by some in this thread, I'm a bit curious if those of us old enough to have been vaccinated against smallpox would be immune.

I also know that there is sufficient smallpox vaccine that troops being deployed to certain regions were routinely vaccinated against it within the last 10 years.

Some protection, I don't think we have any data on how good it is. My wife got the Cowpox version and I find even less information about it.
85%. Smallpox vaccine is 85% effective against Monkeypox
Do you have links? Like most people of my generation, I was vaccinated….as a child. Long enough ago that I have no idea when, but I have the scar. I’m curious about whether I still have immunity, give that smallpox has been effectively irradiated in the US. Vaccines wane in effectiveness over time of there is no exposure to the infectious agent.
I'm not sure how effective past inoculation is. You would have to research long term effectiveness of the smallpox vaccine, initial effectiveness, and then do a comparison between the smallpox effectiveness and the cowpox effectiveness.

My expectation is that you have a little protection but not a lot.

CDC: Past data from Africa suggests that the smallpox vaccine is at least 85% effective in preventing monkeypox
 

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I’m curious about whether I still have immunity, give that smallpox has been effectively irradiated in the US.
Radioactive smallpox!!!

Run for the hills!!!!

Oh, wait, probably an autocorrect of "eradicated".

Shame, I was hoping to hear about people developing superpowers. No police force could catch The Scarlet Pimple! (Though I suspect Baroness Orczy has dibs on that story...)
 

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Aside from every fiber of my being screaming in outrage and horror at the anti-gay bias shown by some in this thread, I'm a bit curious if those of us old enough to have been vaccinated against smallpox would be immune.

I also know that there is sufficient smallpox vaccine that troops being deployed to certain regions were routinely vaccinated against it within the last 10 years.

Some protection, I don't think we have any data on how good it is. My wife got the Cowpox version and I find even less information about it.
85%. Smallpox vaccine is 85% effective against Monkeypox
Do you have links? Like most people of my generation, I was vaccinated….as a child. Long enough ago that I have no idea when, but I have the scar. I’m curious about whether I still have immunity, give that smallpox has been effectively irradiated in the US. Vaccines wane in effectiveness over time of there is no exposure to the infectious agent.
I have the scar too so I'm not that worried. But, just to be safe, I decided to quit having sex with infected monkeys.
 

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I’m curious about whether I still have immunity, give that smallpox has been effectively irradiated in the US.
Radioactive smallpox!!!

Run for the hills!!!!

Oh, wait, probably an autocorrect of "eradicated".

Shame, I was hoping to hear about people developing superpowers. No police force could catch The Scarlet Pimple! (Though I suspect Baroness Orczy has dibs on that story...)

Sink me, you can be tedious at times.
;)
 

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I’m curious about whether I still have immunity, give that smallpox has been effectively irradiated in the US.
Radioactive smallpox!!!

Run for the hills!!!!

Oh, wait, probably an autocorrect of "eradicated".

Shame, I was hoping to hear about people developing superpowers. No police force could catch The Scarlet Pimple! (Though I suspect Baroness Orczy has dibs on that story...)

Sink me, you can be tedious at times.
;)
Yeah, I was typing from my phone which has an odd sense of humor. If I don't carefully go back and re-check every single word, sometimes there are some very interesting substitutions. My PC is less...problematic.
 

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I’m curious about whether I still have immunity, give that smallpox has been effectively irradiated in the US.
Radioactive smallpox!!!

Run for the hills!!!!

Oh, wait, probably an autocorrect of "eradicated".

Shame, I was hoping to hear about people developing superpowers. No police force could catch The Scarlet Pimple! (Though I suspect Baroness Orczy has dibs on that story...)
You know I’m a terrible typist especially on my phone which has interesting and creative ways of ‘correcting’ my typos.

I actually do know the difference between eradicated and irradiated even if my phone dies not.
 

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I’m curious about whether I still have immunity, give that smallpox has been effectively irradiated in the US.
Radioactive smallpox!!!

Run for the hills!!!!

Oh, wait, probably an autocorrect of "eradicated".

Shame, I was hoping to hear about people developing superpowers. No police force could catch The Scarlet Pimple! (Though I suspect Baroness Orczy has dibs on that story...)
You know I’m a terrible typist especially on my phone which has interesting and creative ways of ‘correcting’ my typos.

I actually do know the difference between eradicated and irradiated even if my phone dies not.
You have my sympathy, Toni! I passed my GWE with flying colors, but when I'm trying to make forum posts from my phone, I rotuinely produce typos, elisions, and accidentally greenlit auto-corrections that would make a primary school teacher blanch.
 

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I’m curious about whether I still have immunity, give that smallpox has been effectively irradiated in the US.
Radioactive smallpox!!!

Run for the hills!!!!

Oh, wait, probably an autocorrect of "eradicated".

Shame, I was hoping to hear about people developing superpowers. No police force could catch The Scarlet Pimple! (Though I suspect Baroness Orczy has dibs on that story...)
You know I’m a terrible typist especially on my phone which has interesting and creative ways of ‘correcting’ my typos.

I actually do know the difference between eradicated and irradiated even if my phone dies not.
Uh oh! Better change that before bilby sees it! :D
 

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I think you misunderstood.

I'm questioning how useful the vaccine would be against a bioweapon because I would expect the bioweapon to be engineered to get past the vaccine.
Ah, my bad. So all the more reason we should just USE IT!
The problem is that it carries a 1-2 in a million death rate. At the present threat level it should be used for ring fencing, not general use.

(And note that while it's not likely to work against a state-sponsored bioweapon there's also the possibility of bioterrorism. I can picture some of the Islamists making themselves a copy (there are companies that could do this now--they're very careful to refuse stuff that matches the smallpox genome, but that doesn't mean a black hat couldn't set up an equivalent system) and using it for terrorist purposes. That wouldn't be engineered to defeat the vaccine and they would be much more likely to do stupid things. Look at the hotheads in Pakistan--keeping trying to egg on war with India even though "success" would almost certainly be nuclear. Fortunately, they're not in control there.
 

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Aside from every fiber of my being screaming in outrage and horror at the anti-gay bias shown by some in this thread, I'm a bit curious if those of us old enough to have been vaccinated against smallpox would be immune.

I also know that there is sufficient smallpox vaccine that troops being deployed to certain regions were routinely vaccinated against it within the last 10 years.

Some protection, I don't think we have any data on how good it is. My wife got the Cowpox version and I find even less information about it.
85%. Smallpox vaccine is 85% effective against Monkeypox
The question is how effective it is after all these years. My last (probably only, but I do not know) smallpox shot was presumably 1974 but I don't have the records. (I know I had a current one in 1975 but given how early in the year our trip started the shot was probably in the previous year.) I've never asked my wife when she had hers, I would presume it was when she was young.
 

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Aside from every fiber of my being screaming in outrage and horror at the anti-gay bias shown by some in this thread, I'm a bit curious if those of us old enough to have been vaccinated against smallpox would be immune.

I also know that there is sufficient smallpox vaccine that troops being deployed to certain regions were routinely vaccinated against it within the last 10 years.

Some protection, I don't think we have any data on how good it is. My wife got the Cowpox version and I find even less information about it.
85%. Smallpox vaccine is 85% effective against Monkeypox
Do you have links? Like most people of my generation, I was vaccinated….as a child. Long enough ago that I have no idea when, but I have the scar. I’m curious about whether I still have immunity, give that smallpox has been effectively irradiated in the US. Vaccines wane in effectiveness over time of there is no exposure to the infectious agent.
I'm not sure how effective past inoculation is. You would have to research long term effectiveness of the smallpox vaccine, initial effectiveness, and then do a comparison between the smallpox effectiveness and the cowpox effectiveness.

My expectation is that you have a little protection but not a lot.

Aside from every fiber of my being screaming in outrage and horror at the anti-gay bias shown by some in this thread, I'm a bit curious if those of us old enough to have been vaccinated against smallpox would be immune.

I also know that there is sufficient smallpox vaccine that troops being deployed to certain regions were routinely vaccinated against it within the last 10 years.

Some protection, I don't think we have any data on how good it is. My wife got the Cowpox version and I find even less information about it.
85%. Smallpox vaccine is 85% effective against Monkeypox
The question is how effective it is after all these years. My last (probably only, but I do not know) smallpox shot was presumably 1974 but I don't have the records. (I know I had a current one in 1975 but given how early in the year our trip started the shot was probably in the previous year.) I've never asked my wife when she had hers, I would presume it was when she was young.
Oh. Probably not 85% in that case. I don't know how you would tell, you would have to look at whether there is a boundary on boomer age folks and there isn't a big enough population of those doing the things that apparently spread monkey pox to measure as of yet, I don't think.
 

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Aside from every fiber of my being screaming in outrage and horror at the anti-gay bias shown by some in this thread, I'm a bit curious if those of us old enough to have been vaccinated against smallpox would be immune.

I also know that there is sufficient smallpox vaccine that troops being deployed to certain regions were routinely vaccinated against it within the last 10 years.

Some protection, I don't think we have any data on how good it is. My wife got the Cowpox version and I find even less information about it.
85%. Smallpox vaccine is 85% effective against Monkeypox
Do you have links? Like most people of my generation, I was vaccinated….as a child. Long enough ago that I have no idea when, but I have the scar. I’m curious about whether I still have immunity, give that smallpox has been effectively irradiated in the US. Vaccines wane in effectiveness over time of there is no exposure to the infectious agent.
I'm not sure how effective past inoculation is. You would have to research long term effectiveness of the smallpox vaccine, initial effectiveness, and then do a comparison between the smallpox effectiveness and the cowpox effectiveness.

My expectation is that you have a little protection but not a lot.

Aside from every fiber of my being screaming in outrage and horror at the anti-gay bias shown by some in this thread, I'm a bit curious if those of us old enough to have been vaccinated against smallpox would be immune.

I also know that there is sufficient smallpox vaccine that troops being deployed to certain regions were routinely vaccinated against it within the last 10 years.

Some protection, I don't think we have any data on how good it is. My wife got the Cowpox version and I find even less information about it.
85%. Smallpox vaccine is 85% effective against Monkeypox
The question is how effective it is after all these years. My last (probably only, but I do not know) smallpox shot was presumably 1974 but I don't have the records. (I know I had a current one in 1975 but given how early in the year our trip started the shot was probably in the previous year.) I've never asked my wife when she had hers, I would presume it was when she was young.
Oh. Probably not 85% in that case. I don't know how you would tell, you would have to look at whether there is a boundary on boomer age folks and there isn't a big enough population of those doing the things that apparently spread monkey pox to measure as of yet, I don't think.
Yeah, mine would have been prior
to 1960….
 

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I’m curious about whether I still have immunity, give that smallpox has been effectively irradiated in the US.
Radioactive smallpox!!!

Run for the hills!!!!

Oh, wait, probably an autocorrect of "eradicated".

Shame, I was hoping to hear about people developing superpowers. No police force could catch The Scarlet Pimple! (Though I suspect Baroness Orczy has dibs on that story...)
You know I’m a terrible typist especially on my phone which has interesting and creative ways of ‘correcting’ my typos.

I actually do know the difference between eradicated and irradiated even if my phone dies not.
I never doubted it for a minuet.

Though for a waltz, I could muster some skepticism :)
 

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I’m curious about whether I still have immunity, give that smallpox has been effectively irradiated in the US.
Radioactive smallpox!!!

Run for the hills!!!!

Oh, wait, probably an autocorrect of "eradicated".

Shame, I was hoping to hear about people developing superpowers. No police force could catch The Scarlet Pimple! (Though I suspect Baroness Orczy has dibs on that story...)
You know I’m a terrible typist especially on my phone which has interesting and creative ways of ‘correcting’ my typos.

I actually do know the difference between eradicated and irradiated even if my phone dies not.
I never doubted it for a minuet.

Though for a waltz, I could muster some skepticism :)
Lol.
 
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