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Loren Pechtel said:
Good. An awful lot of the girls aren't exactly consenting.
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Then do something about those selectively. Don't go after all sex work indiscriminately.

There have been instances of involuntary labor in other industries, but only in the sex industry is existence of (alleged) involuntary servitude used as an excuse to outlaw and persecute all sex work.

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laughing dog said:
Why bother poking a hole in condom in order to get a STD when it is easier and cheaper to not wear one in the first place?
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It was a facetious response because you deserve no more.
 
Derec said:
Deepak said:
Maybe they could turn their sights on the child-sex tourism shadow industry first.
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Sure. Child prostitutes and adult prostitutes who are doing it against their will are real victims. Every other form of prostitution should be allowed because they are consenting adults. Even ladyboys as long as they disclose it upfront. :)
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They can promise a hidden bonus on agreement of services.
 
Derec said:
Then do something about those selectively. Don't go after all sex work indiscriminately.
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Yes, that makes a lot of sense.
We can judge all women by what a few feminists say.
We can judge all blacks by what a few activists did 50 years ago.
But we can't judge everyone who'll touch Derec's fuzzies for money by the crimes against some of them.
 
Derec said:
Then do something about those selectively. Don't go after all sex work indiscriminately.

There have been instances of involuntary labor in other industries, but only in the sex industry is existence of (alleged) involuntary servitude used as an excuse to outlaw and persecute all sex work.

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laughing dog said:
Why bother poking a hole in condom in order to get a STD when it is easier and cheaper to not wear one in the first place?
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It was a facetious response because you deserve no more.
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Are you sure the intent was to make it all illegal rather than just fixing the problems?
 
The "Swiss Solution" to prostitution, inspired by activists supporting the minority of sex workers that were forced into the profession, was to make it a crime to hire a prostitute, but not a crime to be a prostitute. So prostitutes are not breaking the law, but utilizing them is.

today's sorry state of the trade is due to Prohibition. The 'sex black market' is the result of prohibition, just like the social issues relating to illegal drug use is the result of prohibition of selected substances (the War on Drugs).

The fact of tha matter is that things and services that people demand, or going to be gotten by the people. Governemnts exist to serve people, and their job is not to fail at convincing people that what they want they don't really want, but to provide it safely, and fairly.
 
It is no laughing matter. Derec always supports things like sex business (could be deemed fascist sex) and regards shutting down whorehouses as a bad thing. He shallowly only addresses his own perceived needs and ignores how it affects others...you know...things like aids, and rape, and drugged exploitation of young women...things that in my book are and will always be WRONG.
 
Rewind. Why do we insist on calling those who receive money for sex sex workers?

Are they working?

Or are they just getting money for serving up what they are equipped to serve and for which they are designed to do very well to customers who don't want to do knot holes.
 
arkirk said:
It is no laughing matter. Derec always supports things like sex business (could be deemed fascist sex) and regards shutting down whorehouses as a bad thing. He shallowly only addresses his own perceived needs and ignores how it affects others...you know...things like aids, and rape, and drugged exploitation of young women...things that in my book are and will always be WRONG.
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I am of the opinion that all of the bad things you mention are a result of Prohibition and the forcing of the services that have demand underground.
If 'whorehouses' were legal, and regulated like any other 'heath or personal services', then the issues you mentioned would be reduced considerably, if not eliminated entirely.

Abortion - Prohibition resulted in 'coat hanger abortions'
Alcohol - Prohibition resulted in powerful Organized Crime families and speakeasies
Drugs - Prohibition resulted in overcrowded, for profit, penal systems, racism.. AND organized crime
Sex - Prohibition resulted in human trafficking, drug addiction, and disease.
Music - See "Footloose"

Prohibition has absolutely no effect on demand. basic economics. It's like saying that you will prohibit the rain to ensure sunny days.

You can't 'fix' the 'sex trade' by outlawing it. You have to actually FIX it by imposing regulation that makes it safely accessible (for all parties).
 
ronburgundy said:
jonatha said:
I see what you did there...
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Making everyone that pays for sex a criminal only masks the drastic moral distinction between paying a consenting adult and paying someone who enslaves non-consenting adults and children. It expands the black market sex trade to include all pay-for-sex activity, giving sex-slavers more shadows to hide in.

Such blanket restrictions against prostitution should be opposed, even if one thinks that paying consenting adults for sex is problematic due to the desperation that leads many to consent to such a trade. Clearly there are far worse and more transparently immoral aspects of the sex-trade that only increase their market share and ability to hide in the sea of lesser sex crimes, when all sex-trade is made criminal.
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The Chinese know that making something illegal doesn't necessarily make it unpopular. In the PRC prostitution is both banned and in many states also taxed. If this source is correct then Prostitution in China is around US$73 billion per year but its now clear how many are taxed.
http://www.havocscope.com/prostitution-revenue-by-country/
http://www.havocscope.com/prostitution-revenue-by-country/
 
fromderinside said:
Rewind. Why do we insist on calling those who receive money for sex sex workers?

Are they working?

Or are they just getting money for serving up what they are equipped to serve and for which they are designed to do very well to customers who don't want to do knot holes.
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Irrespective of whether it is legal or not a sex worker is fulfilling a contract to supply services. The closest profession to a prostitute is a car mechanic because both mostly make a living lying on their backs.
 
whichphilosophy said:
fromderinside said:
Rewind. Why do we insist on calling those who receive money for sex sex workers?

Are they working?

Or are they just getting money for serving up what they are equipped to serve and for which they are designed to do very well to customers who don't want to do knot holes.
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Irrespective of whether it is legal or not a sex worker is fulfilling a contract to supply services. The closest profession to a prostitute is a car mechanic because both mostly make a living lying on their backs.
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You seem to have a very limited sex life. Or very limited knowledge of sex.
 
Toni said:
whichphilosophy said:
Irrespective of whether it is legal or not a sex worker is fulfilling a contract to supply services. The closest profession to a prostitute is a car mechanic because both mostly make a living lying on their backs.
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You seem to have a very limited sex life. Or very limited knowledge of sex.
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This is often caused by marriage, but I do have a very limited knowledge of cars.
 
whichphilosophy said:
The Chinese know that making something illegal doesn't necessarily make it unpopular. In the PRC prostitution is both banned and in many states also taxed. If this source is correct then Prostitution in China is around US$73 billion per year but its now clear how many are taxed.
http://www.havocscope.com/prostitution-revenue-by-country/
http://www.havocscope.com/prostitution-revenue-by-country/
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I know nothing of the size of the prostitution economy over there but it's quite obvious once you know what to look for. When our plane went mechanical and we landed in Shanghai at midnight it was quite noticeable--hair salon after hair salon open while nothing else but restaurants and a few convenience stores were open tells you something.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
whichphilosophy said:
The Chinese know that making something illegal doesn't necessarily make it unpopular. In the PRC prostitution is both banned and in many states also taxed. If this source is correct then Prostitution in China is around US$73 billion per year but its now clear how many are taxed.
http://www.havocscope.com/prostitution-revenue-by-country/
http://www.havocscope.com/prostitution-revenue-by-country/
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I know nothing of the size of the prostitution economy over there but it's quite obvious once you know what to look for. When our plane went mechanical and we landed in Shanghai at midnight it was quite noticeable--hair salon after hair salon open while nothing else but restaurants and a few convenience stores were open tells you something.
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At those salons men can get anything except a hair cut. This year I was in Beijing and a lot have been boarded up with signs on them.
 
whichphilosophy said:
Loren Pechtel said:
I know nothing of the size of the prostitution economy over there but it's quite obvious once you know what to look for. When our plane went mechanical and we landed in Shanghai at midnight it was quite noticeable--hair salon after hair salon open while nothing else but restaurants and a few convenience stores were open tells you something.
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At those salons men can get anything except a hair cut. This year I was in Beijing and a lot have been boarded up with signs on them.
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My understanding is that they generally wont see foreigners but I have no desire to find out.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
whichphilosophy said:
At those salons men can get anything except a hair cut. This year I was in Beijing and a lot have been boarded up with signs on them.
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My understanding is that they generally wont see foreigners but I have no desire to find out.
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In Beijing especially near the Santitun district the scantily dressed girls would frequently stand in the street and try and even drag some foreign people in for a 'haircut' Maybe blow dry could be a wrong translation for something else.
 
whichphilosophy said:
In Beijing especially near the Santitun district the scantily dressed girls would frequently stand in the street and try and even drag some foreign people in for a 'haircut' Maybe blow dry could be a wrong translation for something else.
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My hair (or whatever little is left of it) is getting a bit shaggy, now that you mention it. ;)
 
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