More cultural enrichment in Europe

[Derec]

That is the paradox of valuing the freedom of thought. It means that anyone is free to think anything, even if that thing they are thinking is that no one should have freedom of though.

Quoted for truth:

“The so-called paradox of freedom is the argument that freedom in the sense of absence of any constraining control must lead to very great restraint, since it makes the bully free to enslave the meek. The idea is, in a slightly different form, and with very different tendency, clearly expressed in Plato.
Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.”

 

[laughing dog]

Did you bother to read your own Popperian "truth"? The US is nowhere near the point Popper describes, and if strictly interpreted and implemented, your rigid intolerance would be criminalized.

 

[Derec]

Did you bother to read your own Popperian "truth"? The US is nowhere near the point Popper describes, and if strictly interpreted and implemented, your rigid intolerance would be criminalized.

US is not, but Europe is certainly getting there. Just today there was another attempted terrorist attack in Europe, this time in Antwerp.
Man in Antwerp, Belgium, Tries to Drive Into Crowd
The perpetrator? A Nafri by the name of Mohammed.

You and other leftists have a huge blind spot when it comes to Islam. I wonder why. Is it just because you both hate Israel (Entebbe complex) or does it go deeper?

 

[Warpoet]

You and other leftists have a huge blind spot when it comes to Islam. I wonder why. Is it just because you both hate Israel (Entebbe complex) or does it go deeper?

Neither. We just live in the real world, not in the right wing Blogosphere where you get all your information, and thus keep perspective on these issues. Whereas you're a fucking idiot who loves to scream that the sky is falling even though you probably haven't seen it in years.

 

[Warpoet]

I am not smearing all Muslims. Just Islamists.

Oh, shut the fuck up. You conflate the two all the god damn time. Muslims are guilty until proven innocent in your eyes and not the other way around. You don't get to post shit about Muslims invading and conquering the West and how we need a new Charles Martel and then claim you aren't smearing them all.

Take your Google image search crusade and march it the fuck out of here, Derec. Everybody except the rest of your little alt Reich cadre is sick of your bullshit.

 

[Warpoet]

If people like Derec and I can keep large numbers of muslims out of the US and Europe then that would be a splendid thing to happen. Glorious even.

If we do it we are right, history loves winners.

I make no apologies for my opinion on this.

I'm sure it's a tremendous relief for you to feel like you live in a new America where you no longer have to make any attempt at concealing your bigotry. It should be a similar relief to all the other totally-not-racists who no longer have to apologize for wanting to keep large numbers of Latinos out of America, or large numbers of black people out of their communities.

 

[Trausti]

You and other leftists have a huge blind spot when it comes to Islam. I wonder why. Is it just because you both hate Israel (Entebbe complex) or does it go deeper?

Neither. We just live in the real world, not in the right wing Blogosphere where you get all your information, and thus keep perspective on these issues. Whereas you're a fucking idiot who loves to scream that the sky is falling even though you probably haven't seen it in years.

Warpoet keeps perspective on issues? LOLZ. And it's not yet April 1st.

 

[Warpoet]

Warpoet keeps perspective on issues? LOLZ. And it's not yet April 1st.

I'm pretty sure just about anybody who has ever spoken to another human being without having to get their Skype ID first has more perspective than most of you clowns shitting up this board do.

 

[Trausti]

Warpoet keeps perspective on issues? LOLZ. And it's not yet April 1st.

I'm pretty sure just about anybody who has ever spoken to another human being without having to get their Skype ID first has more perspective than most of you clowns shitting up this board do.

Ah, there's the Warpoet we know and love. Always with an insult at the ready so he can avoid actually addressing a disagreement with an actual argument. Yeah know, it's possible for people to have differing points of view, and to discuss those differing posts of view, without name calling and questioning motivation. Or maybe you don't know that. Whatever.

 

[Warpoet]

Oh, because your arguments are just so, so bulletproof that no one could ever hope to make a dent in them. Like that crap you just spewed about preserving Western culture, only to go silent when I tore into you for it. Or, hell, every other time you've tried to advance your regressive worldview only to be shot down in flames, then come back the next day and spam some more shit you pulled off a right wing blog. Yeah, Trausti, you're just too erudite for the rest of us.

 

[Trausti]

Oh, because your arguments are just so, so bulletproof that no one could ever hope to make a dent in them. Like that crap you just spewed about preserving Western culture, only to go silent when I tore into you for it. Or, hell, every other time you've tried to advance your regressive worldview only to be shot down in flames, then come back the next day and spam some more shit you pulled off a right wing blog. Yeah, Trausti, you're just too erudite for the rest of us.

I had to go searching for when you "tore into" me. Took awhile. But spotted it. You called me "asshole." That's all you ever do.

 

[Warpoet]

Keep living in your alt right bubble and pretending it just didn't happen when you get bitch slapped by reality if that's what you want. I don't give a fuck. Just don't complain when others choose not to take you or your "arguments" seriously.

 

[laughing dog]

Did you bother to read your own Popperian "truth"? The US is nowhere near the point Popper describes, and if strictly interpreted and implemented, your rigid intolerance would be criminalized.

US is not, but Europe is certainly getting there. Just today there was another attempted terrorist attack in Europe, this time in Antwerp.
Man in Antwerp, Belgium, Tries to Drive Into Crowd
The perpetrator? A Nafri by the name of Mohammed.

Let's see. "Not there" and "getting there" mean neither the US nor Europe has arrived at your ideal state of criminalizing objectional thought. Which is good for you, since your bigotry-fueled rants would certainly qualify as criminal activity under that system of law.

You and other leftists have a huge blind spot when it comes to Islam. I wonder why. Is it just because you both hate Israel (Entebbe complex) or does it go deeper?

Nah. It's just that "leftists" like me try to live up to "Western values" instead of hypocritically using them to promote hate and bigotry.

But honestly, why did you immigrate to the USA when you clearly hate what it stands for?

 

[whichphilosophy]

No, I am not. I have never said that we should judge all Muslims by acts of individuals. At the same time, we must admit that there is a unique threat of extremism coming from Islam.
We also should be selective as to who is allowed to immigrate into Western countries. Right now Europe is taking in everybody who shows up anywhere in the general vicinity of Europe, no questions asked. That is obviously a stupid strategy.

And besides, this shit is happening over and over again. It's a pattern, not an anecdote.


Are you still beating your wife?

Because evangelicals in Africa have been killing children for "witchcraft." The death toll is estimated at around a thousand, and most of those children were killed with fire or acid. Do you agree that murdering a thousand concern with fire or acid is immoral, or have the Christians corrupted your morals? Do you agree that all Christians should be condemned for this?

No, but I do think that these witch-hunting Evangelcals should not be allowed to immigrate into Europe or the West. Which means that, again, migrants should be vetted.

The danger of mass migration of those with incompatible cultures is not limited to Islam, but it is currently most acute with Islamists.

Or does this kind of  hasty generalization fallacy supply to Muslims, but not Christians? Because if that is the case, then you are committing a  special pleading fallacy.

As I have explained, it is neither.

I'm actually a lot more concerned about the extremism of the Republican Party, which has been taken over by the alt-right for the most part, than I ever have been afraid of radical Islam.

Extremes to the right and left distort things out of proportions. My earlier posts cite sources many from their own websites and Marxist ones plus mainstream which show that 7 out of 8 organisers of the Women's Strike Committee are Marxists. Of these one was involved in purchasing guns which shot dead a judge and the other was convicted of 2 terrorist acts in Israel.

The ISIS manual, page 64 (amongst others) promotes alliances with left wing and civil rights groups.


http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/07/inter...d-and-heres-how-you-can-get-involved-6433045/

Angela Davis: Marxist Supporter of violent revolution
Linda MartinAlcoff: No indication of Marxist affiliations or membership.
CinziaArruza: Marxist
Tithi Bhattacharya Marxist
Nancy Fraser: Marxist
Barbara Ransby: Marxist
Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor: Marxist
Rasmea Yousef Odeh: Convicted Terrorist served 10 years in an Israeli prison. Jailed in USA for 18 months for not declaring this in her asylum request.

It appears that the most active extremist groups are to be found on the left. However they actively spread the word fascist for anyone who is to the right of their extreme views. If seems the crime speaks loudly in accusation.

 

[iolo]

So much for the wisdom of automatic birthright citizenship.

As to the follow up question: "Why wait until he actually tries to kill people before anything is done?", that would be because precrime isn't yet prosecutable under French law.

Perhaps Madame President will make it one.

You can't be deported from your country of citizenship; Nor can you be arrested for crimes you haven't yet committed - not even if you have brown skin, or profess to be a Muslim. It's almost as though these people lived in a free country. Go figure.

But citizenship can be revoked. And I think citizenship of Islamists should be revoked. After all, the West is in an existential struggle with Islam. Freedom must not be a suicide pact. These attacks are not isolated incidents. They are occurring with high frequency. Just a short time before we had a Düsseldorf ax attack by an Islamic Albanian. Then a few days later we had the attack on the UK Parliament, with IS taking responsibility. Where are the Islamists going to strike next?

And there are more and more migrants coming. The boat migration has increased 50% compared to last year. This is completely unsustainable and the idiotic practice of "rescuing" migrants off the coast of Libya and bringing them to Italy (doing the smugglers' work for them) must stop!

Difficult to pick out people called Elms, though I suppose we could argue that anyone claiming to be 'English' was in fact German, and should be sent to Berlin! His mother, after all, has bought the usual 'little place in Wayuls' to help destroy our culture.

 

[LordKiran]

I'm pretty sure just about anybody who has ever spoken to another human being without having to get their Skype ID first has more perspective than most of you clowns shitting up this board do.

Ah, there's the Warpoet we know and love. Always with an insult at the ready so he can avoid actually addressing a disagreement with an actual argument. Yeah know, it's possible for people to have differing points of view, and to discuss those differing posts of view, without name calling and questioning motivation. Or maybe you don't know that. Whatever.

I don't know who Joseph Addison is or why it matters. This quote would have been equally effective if you had just said it yourself.



When you think about it, for all I know that could just be some random picture of an enlightenment era person with completely unrelated words typed up next to him.

 

[TSwizzle]

I'm surprised the mayor of Brussels has not been hounded out of office yet;

The Belgian capital has a problem with extremist Islam, Brussels Mayor Yvan Mayeur said in an interview with newspaper De Morgen published Wednesday, one year after the terror attacks at Zaventem Airport and Maalbeek metro station. “Everyone knows that all mosques in Brussels are in the hands of Salafists,” Mayeur said, referring to the radical form of Islam. “We need to change this, we need new mosques that follow our democratic rules and that are being controlled by the government.” However, Mayeur denied claims his city is the capital of jihad, an image that emerged after authorities revealed many of the terror suspects responsible for the Paris and Brussels terror attacks lived or operated from the city.
“Jihadism in Belgium started in Antwerp, then spread to Vilvoorde, Molenbeek and Brussels-north,” Mayeur said.

Poltico

Cultural enrichment is on the march.

 

[Trausti]

I'm surprised the mayor of Brussels has not been hounded out of office yet;

The Belgian capital has a problem with extremist Islam, Brussels Mayor Yvan Mayeur said in an interview with newspaper De Morgen published Wednesday, one year after the terror attacks at Zaventem Airport and Maalbeek metro station. “Everyone knows that all mosques in Brussels are in the hands of Salafists,” Mayeur said, referring to the radical form of Islam. “We need to change this, we need new mosques that follow our democratic rules and that are being controlled by the government.” However, Mayeur denied claims his city is the capital of jihad, an image that emerged after authorities revealed many of the terror suspects responsible for the Paris and Brussels terror attacks lived or operated from the city.
“Jihadism in Belgium started in Antwerp, then spread to Vilvoorde, Molenbeek and Brussels-north,” Mayeur said.

Poltico

Cultural enrichment is on the march.

Stop with your Izlambophobia. Some members of this board have assured us that there is little to no difference between Islamic and Western Values. What else do you really need other than their assurances? Like this for instance. Many Western countries with sizable Muslim populations are already making criticism of Islam a crime. Or this. The Hijab is now a feminist symbol (the Iranian women who protested against it nearly 40 years ago were just fascists, Nazis, and racists). See, soon enough, the Western and Islamic worlds will be indistinguishable. That should make all the atheists and agnostics on this board super duper happy.

 

[fromderinside]

Nope. There are problems with values carried forward in opposition to norms in places where they immigrated. Women are not to be subjected to harassment in most western countries for sexual, or, clothing choices. Yet many males Muslims harass, shun, even kill, females who don't obey Islamic code in western countries.

Ones who do these things in western cultures are to be prosecuted vigorously. Most western states are secular, not, religious states.

 

[Warpoet]

See, soon enough, the Western and Islamic worlds will be indistinguishable.

No, and only fucking lunatics say shit like this. But keep telling yourself you're some brave and righteous defender of Western civilization.