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My city, Minneapolis, On Fire: a story about white nationalism and it's consequences

Jarhyn

Contributor
I live in Minneapolis. The last two nights, I've spent on neighborhood watch, in immediate coordination with my neighbors. While all this started with the murder of a black man by a white cop, that's not all there is to it. But this isn't about that.

This is about the fact of who is doing the shooting and the burning and the looting.

Rather, It's about the white nationalists riding around in a red truck dropping explosives and incindiaries off the back of their red pickup truck, and shooting at folks.

It's about the fact that white looters and vandals have already put a building in my neighborhood to the torch

It's about the groups of white people roving around.just south of where I live with high powered high capacity rifles.

It's about the military response, shooting people who are legally on their own porches with "less lethal" rounds that have cracked skulls and blinded reporters.

It's about the fact that in my neighborhood we aren't on the lookout for black folks, it's the white people with out of state (or covered, or absent) license plates that we record and are tracking movements of.

It's about the white person in the clown mask that was roving back alleys near Penn that ran away when confronted.

It's about the fact that the people in my community doing watch rotations are anti-fascist but we are now being labeled as terrorists for simply holding the ideology that fascism is bad and must be resisted.

It's about the fact that I'm going to be out with a fire extinguisher and flame-retardant clothing with armed white nationalists out there who have already fired shots in an attempt to "boogaloo".

It's about the fact that several peaceful protestors, one of which who is an acquaintance of mine, have taken 40mm cannisters from point blank (10 feet) as retaliation for being so bold as to wear goggles rather than allow themselves to be maced while protesting. The only thing that kept her shoulder and/or back from being broken was the fact that her filled backpack broke the impact.

It's about the fact that our president is clearing streets of peaceful protests with violent force so he can have photo shoots in front of a church where people HAD been getting medical care and receiving donations... A photo opportunity with a Bible shamelessly taken, without consent, from the priests that were providing aid at that church.

It's about the fact that cops responded to "rioting" and "looting" reports mere seconds after a white cop-looking motherfucker with a gasmask, likely a St Paul COP was breaking out windows at AutoZone, ground zero for the "rioting".

It is about the fact that MPD allowed over a dozen complaints against the officer that instigated all this with the casual choking of a suspect to go unpunished, including 7 deaths, and when another officer, the one who called for backup, sought to attend the welfare of the "suspect", he was told to stand down.

My city is on fire. None of the people here mourn the burned shell of Wells Fargo; they were and have always been predatory of the people of color in our and other neighborhoods. The people of my community, my new housemate doesn't mourn the burning of the target stores (he was scheduled to start at the lake street target that got burned the first night); the were literally working on pioneering racist profiling and shrinkage measures there.we don't mourn the burning of the third precinct. We don't mourn any of that.

What this is about is the fact that my city, particularly it's police department but also in general, has a white supremecy problem, and the fact that apparently, that makes us all terrorists.

I've never been so proud to be a "terrorist".
 

Jarhyn

Contributor
Why are those who claim that it's all white people fault never called out for their racism?

Ah yes, I'm racist for the fact that the people starting fires and shooting people and who are otherwise engaged in suspicious activities are white, sporting symbology of white nationalist militias or white nationalist movements.
 

Trausti

Contributor
Why are those who claim that it's all white people fault never called out for their racism?

Ah yes, I'm racist for the fact that the people starting fires and shooting people and who are otherwise engaged in suspicious activities are white, sporting symbology of white nationalist militias or white nationalist movements.

Antifa are White nationalist. Whatever, dude.
 

Deepak

Veteran Member
“I have not seen any clear evidence that white supremacists or militiamen are masking up and going out to burn and loot,” said Howard Graves, a research analyst at the Southern Poverty Law Center who tracks white supremacist and other anti-government extremist groups.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/george-floyd-protests-white-supremacists-antifa.html

“We’re going to see a diversity of fringe malefactors,” said Brian Levin, the director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino. “We know for a fact there have been far-right agitators both online and at these rallies, as well as far-left.”

...

In a Facebook post from Richmond, two young white men are shown holding that flag up behind an African-American woman with a hand-lettered sign reading “A knee is the new noose!!” That referred to the police action used in the death of Mr. Floyd.

Mike Griffin, a longtime activist in Minneapolis, said the demonstrations in his city attracted people he had never seen before. They included well-dressed young white men in expensive boots carrying hammers and talking about torching buildings. “I know protests, I’ve been doing it for 20 years,” he said. “People not affiliated with the protests are creating havoc on the streets.”

Whither our Kantians?
 

Trausti

Contributor
Federal authorities accuse Galesburg man of traveling to Chicago for protests with homemade bombs, charge him with inciting a riot

An Illinois man arrested in Chicago over the weekend had homemade bombs in his car and had been seen on videos posted on the internet participating in the looting and rioting in Minneapolis and Chicago, according to federal charges filed Monday.

Matthew Rupert, 28, of Galesburg, was charged in U.S. District Court in Minnesota with inciting a riot and possession of an explosive device, court records show.

According to the complaint, Rupert posted a messages on his Facebook account on Thursday saying he was going to Minneapolis to protest the police-involved death of George Floyd and wanted “goons” to join him.

Yep. White Nationalist.
 

Trausti

Contributor
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Deepak

Veteran Member

Notice how not one person in this thread said riots are good. Everyone is a hypocrite in imagination land.

Elsewhere you're simultaneously advocating a secret government hit list while posting cartoons about totalitarian regimes.

Memes are the new duckspeak
 

Metaphor

Contributor
My city is on fire. None of the people here mourn the burned shell of Wells Fargo; they were and have always been predatory of the people of color in our and other neighborhoods. The people of my community, my new housemate doesn't mourn the burning of the target stores (he was scheduled to start at the lake street target that got burned the first night); the were literally working on pioneering racist profiling and shrinkage measures there.we don't mourn the burning of the third precinct. We don't mourn any of that.

No, this person doesn't mourn 'any of that', and he projects his lack of grief to his entire neighbourhood. I'd say the owners and employees and customers might be a bit miffed, but.
 
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Axulus

Veteran Member
My city is on fire. None of the people here mourn the burned shell of Wells Fargo; they were and have always been predatory of the people of color in our and other neighborhoods. The people of my community, my new housemate doesn't mourn the burning of the target stores (he was scheduled to start at the lake street target that got burned the first night); the were literally working on pioneering racist profiling and shrinkage measures there.we don't mourn the burning of the third precinct. We don't mourn any of that.

No, this person doesn't mourn 'any of that', and he projects his lack of grief to his entire neighbourhood. I'd say the owners and employees and customers might be a bit miffed, but.

And, to add to that, in the same breath a person like this will criticize businesses for not investing and locating enough branches in minority neighborhoods, creating things like so called food deserts and fewer job opportunities, and yet he apparently doesn't mourn when they are driven out. Their only consistent trait is to be anti-business (as part of their anti-capitalist worldview), even when they contradict themselves.
 
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Jarhyn

Contributor
What stubs me about the ignorance I see in some of the posts from 'the usual crowd' is that they don't seem to understand how the people of the community can band together against rioting and disruption, and select which businesses to mourn and defend and care about based on the conduct of that business towards the community.

It's not like the community grocery store that went in two years ago isn't cared for; after a petty theft and minor damage, there have been people camped out there every night. People are posting shifts at all the major businesses in the community, yet we don't see any significant complaints about the burned out shell of the Wells Fargo. It's almost like the conduct of a business within it's community is the thing against which we measure pity and empathy in this situation. It is almost as if community support is a function of support that business gives to the community. Target supported a precinct known for their racist enforcement, and we have 'the usual crowd', 'very fine people's indeed out here making it seem like that is somehow central or counter to the idea that the people attacking our communities are literally white nationalist terrorists. I know this because we have identified several, and linked them back to "boogaloo" Facebook groups, and have exposed various text conversations through infiltration of one of their channels.
 

Derec

Contributor
Target supported a precinct known for their racist enforcement,

In what way? And how does that justify looting and destroying the store? And why is the chief of police in Minneapolis so uninterested in bringing those vandals to justice?
 

TV and credit cards

Veteran Member
My city is on fire. None of the people here mourn the burned shell of Wells Fargo; they were and have always been predatory of the people of color in our and other neighborhoods. The people of my community, my new housemate doesn't mourn the burning of the target stores (he was scheduled to start at the lake street target that got burned the first night); the were literally working on pioneering racist profiling and shrinkage measures there.we don't mourn the burning of the third precinct. We don't mourn any of that.

No, this person doesn't mourn 'any of that', and he projects his lack of grief to his entire neighbourhood. I'd say the owners and employees and customers might be a bit miffed, but.

And, to add to that, in the same breath a person like this will criticize businesses for not investing and locating enough branches in minority neighborhoods, creating things like so called food deserts and fewer job opportunities, and yet he apparently doesn't mourn when they are driven out. Their only consistent trait is to be anti-business (as part of their anti-capitalist worldview), even when they contradict themselves.

You're expecting people to act rationally in an emotionally charged situation? Sometimes shit gets broken just because people need to break shit. Because maybe we're dealing with people who generation after generation have needed to teach their kids not how to thrive but how to survive and this brings a sense of hopelessness in one's life at a very early age, at the age of understanding. They see their lives as having no opportunity, of having little value. And then we point out the outsized disparity in homicides in the black community and wonder why. And let's stop calling it "the black community". It makes it sound like a nice place to live. It's a fucking prison without bars is what it is.
 
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Metaphor

Contributor
Who the hell would mourn a bank getting burned down? :D

The owner of the building, the shareholders/owners of the bank, the employees of the bank, the customers of the bank, and possibly any human being who doesn't sadistically take pleasure in the destruction of someone else's property?
 

Axulus

Veteran Member
What exactly is meant by "not mourning".

Does it mean that they don't think police should stop the destruction of businesses whose destruction isn't mourned?

Does it mean those responsible shouldn't be held criminally liable?

Or does it mean they just don't really care about the destruction, but still respect the idea that the act is criminal and should be prevented and prosecuted? I think this is fine as people can't really control their emotions in such a situation.

What if it is white nationalists doing the destruction? Does that change whether the destruction would be mourned or not?
 

Politesse

Sapere aude
Who the hell would mourn a bank getting burned down? :D

The owner of the building, the shareholders/owners of the bank, the employees of the bank, the customers of the bank, and possibly any human being who doesn't sadistically take pleasure in the destruction of someone else's property?

I feel like you're painting a rather odd dichotomy, there. Are "mourning" and "sadistic pleasure" really the only possible emotions one might have? I reserve mourning for my friends, not for corporations and definitely not for commercial buildings that will be rebuilt in a few months time, ready to exploit and defraud the community again like it had never happened. I'm a Wells Fargo customer, and I assure you that no conversation I have ever had with them has led me to think of them as a beloved family member I can't live without. Mostly they steal shit and lie about it. They definitely don't have any respect for "someone else's property".
 

Metaphor

Contributor
Who the hell would mourn a bank getting burned down? :D

The owner of the building, the shareholders/owners of the bank, the employees of the bank, the customers of the bank, and possibly any human being who doesn't sadistically take pleasure in the destruction of someone else's property?

I feel like you're painting a rather odd dichotomy, there. Are "mourning" and "sadistic pleasure" really the only possible emotions one might have? I reserve mourning for my friends, not for corporations and definitely not for commercial buildings that will be rebuilt in a few months time, ready to exploit and defraud the community again like it had never happened. I'm a Wells Fargo customer, and I assure you that no conversation I have ever had with them has led me to think of them as a beloved family member I can't live without. Mostly they steal shit and lie about it.


If Wells Fargo have stolen your shit and lied about it, I would say at the very least you should stop being a customer.

You'll have to ask Jarhyn why he doesn't "mourn" Wells Fargo or Target. Why did he mention not mourning them? He appears to be saying "there's nothing to be upset about". Or, "there are businesses that we might "mourn", but these businesses are not it, so there's nothing to be upset about".

I'd also like to ask Jarhyn why he thinks he speaks for everyone in Minneapolis.
 

Politesse

Sapere aude
I feel like you're painting a rather odd dichotomy, there. Are "mourning" and "sadistic pleasure" really the only possible emotions one might have? I reserve mourning for my friends, not for corporations and definitely not for commercial buildings that will be rebuilt in a few months time, ready to exploit and defraud the community again like it had never happened. I'm a Wells Fargo customer, and I assure you that no conversation I have ever had with them has led me to think of them as a beloved family member I can't live without. Mostly they steal shit and lie about it.


If Wells Fargo have stolen your shit and lied about it, I would say at the very least you should stop being a customer.

Alas, exploitative interest rates and fraudulent-ass fees are par for the course in US banking. If I thought there was a bank that didn't exist specifically to bilk the lower and middle classes to line their pockets I would happily do business with them, but unfortunately I'm not an idiot.
 

Harry Bosch

Contributor
I feel like you're painting a rather odd dichotomy, there. Are "mourning" and "sadistic pleasure" really the only possible emotions one might have? I reserve mourning for my friends, not for corporations and definitely not for commercial buildings that will be rebuilt in a few months time, ready to exploit and defraud the community again like it had never happened. I'm a Wells Fargo customer, and I assure you that no conversation I have ever had with them has led me to think of them as a beloved family member I can't live without. Mostly they steal shit and lie about it.


If Wells Fargo have stolen your shit and lied about it, I would say at the very least you should stop being a customer.

Alas, exploitative interest rates and fraudulent-ass fees are par for the course in US banking. If I thought there was a bank that didn't exist specifically to bilk the lower and middle classes to line their pockets I would happily do business with them, but unfortunately I'm not an idiot.

Bank rates are at an all time low. How much do you think would be appropriate to charge in order to recoup your expenses if you were a bank?
 

Toni

Contributor
I feel like you're painting a rather odd dichotomy, there. Are "mourning" and "sadistic pleasure" really the only possible emotions one might have? I reserve mourning for my friends, not for corporations and definitely not for commercial buildings that will be rebuilt in a few months time, ready to exploit and defraud the community again like it had never happened. I'm a Wells Fargo customer, and I assure you that no conversation I have ever had with them has led me to think of them as a beloved family member I can't live without. Mostly they steal shit and lie about it.


If Wells Fargo have stolen your shit and lied about it, I would say at the very least you should stop being a customer.

Alas, exploitative interest rates and fraudulent-ass fees are par for the course in US banking. If I thought there was a bank that didn't exist specifically to bilk the lower and middle classes to line their pockets I would happily do business with them, but unfortunately I'm not an idiot.

I have really had a great experience with my (up until just very recently) locally owned bank. Now that it’s been taken over, I will have to see. If things go down hill, I will be switching all of my accounts to a local credit union. If you have a local credit union, you should check it out.
 

Jarhyn

Contributor
I don't think any of the employees of Wells Fargo would disagree

Absolutely.

Nor would a significant number of their customers. Honestly, I don’t understand how they still have any customers.

Predatory lending practices, mostly. And advertising. And occasionally selective placement (the one in my neighborhood was pretty much the ONLY bank in the area).

At any rate, I'm going to attempt to put together support through our City Councilman, who I've developed a rapport with via our community watch, for a community credit union. I think we could pull it off; we already pulled off a community coop to end our Ward's 'food desert' status, and it's one of the most jealously patrolled and guarded structures in the neighborhood.

Of course most of the information about who is attacking our community arises through confidential channels associated with our community watch. I honestly wouldn't trust certain folks here with specific details because knowing them, I wouldn't trust them not to attempt to contact the terrorists who are targeting north Minneapolis and divulge what is known about them; it would possibly also compromise actual federal investigations that have been opened.
 

Metaphor

Contributor
Alas, exploitative interest rates and fraudulent-ass fees are par for the course in US banking. If I thought there was a bank that didn't exist specifically to bilk the lower and middle classes to line their pockets I would happily do business with them, but unfortunately I'm not an idiot.

I have really had a great experience with my (up until just very recently) locally owned bank. Now that it’s been taken over, I will have to see. If things go down hill, I will be switching all of my accounts to a local credit union. If you have a local credit union, you should check it out.


I agree with Toni for once.

America has scores of banks, building societies, and credit unions. If you are unhappy with yours, search for a better deal.

If you cannot find one, it means that what you are searching for doesn't exist, and you should perhaps re-evaluate how reasonable your expectations are.

I've changed my mortgage provider twice in three years. It was a fucking hassle each time--I hate bureaucratic paperwork--but if customers are lazy (loyal is interchangeable with lazy here), corporations will exploit it.
 

Harry Bosch

Contributor
Alas, exploitative interest rates and fraudulent-ass fees are par for the course in US banking. If I thought there was a bank that didn't exist specifically to bilk the lower and middle classes to line their pockets I would happily do business with them, but unfortunately I'm not an idiot.

I have really had a great experience with my (up until just very recently) locally owned bank. Now that it’s been taken over, I will have to see. If things go down hill, I will be switching all of my accounts to a local credit union. If you have a local credit union, you should check it out.


I agree with Toni for once.

America has scores of banks, building societies, and credit unions. If you are unhappy with yours, search for a better deal.

If you cannot find one, it means that what you are searching for doesn't exist, and you should perhaps re-evaluate how reasonable your expectations are.

I've changed my mortgage provider twice in three years. It was a fucking hassle each time--I hate bureaucratic paperwork--but if customers are lazy (loyal is interchangeable with lazy here), corporations will exploit it.

It's awesome to have a relationship with your bank. I've been with the same bank for five years. My RM is awesome. She knows me, knows the business. I got my PPP in the first round. More importantly, whenever we need something, she's there. I could probably get a better rate if I shopped, but having a relationship is more important to me.
 

Jarhyn

Contributor
Just heard back from my councilman, and a POC-community credit union is already on their way into the neighborhood, within the next year or so.

So what was that again about how it was contradictory to not mourn the loss of predatory businesses yet also dismay at the "desert" status of the community? How
such things prevent communities from having good access to services?

Because it looks to me like we just got an upgrade.
 

Trausti

Contributor
Just heard back from my councilman, and a POC-community credit union is already on their way into the neighborhood, within the next year or so.

So what was that again about how it was contradictory to not mourn the loss of predatory businesses yet also dismay at the "desert" status of the community? How
such things prevent communities from having good access to services?

Because it looks to me like we just got an upgrade.

So true. Detroit prospered after the ‘60’s riots.
 

Metaphor

Contributor
Just heard back from my councilman, and a POC-community credit union is already on their way into the neighborhood, within the next year or so.

So what was that again about how it was contradictory to not mourn the loss of predatory businesses


yet also dismay at the "desert" status of the community? How
such things prevent communities from having good access to services?

Because it looks to me like we just got an upgrade.

Don't stop there! There might be other businesses you can drive out of your neighbourhood with arson.
 

Toni

Contributor
I feel like you're painting a rather odd dichotomy, there. Are "mourning" and "sadistic pleasure" really the only possible emotions one might have? I reserve mourning for my friends, not for corporations and definitely not for commercial buildings that will be rebuilt in a few months time, ready to exploit and defraud the community again like it had never happened. I'm a Wells Fargo customer, and I assure you that no conversation I have ever had with them has led me to think of them as a beloved family member I can't live without. Mostly they steal shit and lie about it.


If Wells Fargo have stolen your shit and lied about it, I would say at the very least you should stop being a customer.

Alas, exploitative interest rates and fraudulent-ass fees are par for the course in US banking. If I thought there was a bank that didn't exist specifically to bilk the lower and middle classes to line their pockets I would happily do business with them, but unfortunately I'm not an idiot.

I have really had a great experience with my (up until just very recently) locally owned bank. Now that it’s been taken over, I will have to see. If things go down hill, I will be switching all of my accounts to a local credit union. If you have a local credit union, you should check it out.
 

Jarhyn

Contributor
Just heard back from my councilman, and a POC-community credit union is already on their way into the neighborhood, within the next year or so.

So what was that again about how it was contradictory to not mourn the loss of predatory businesses


yet also dismay at the "desert" status of the community? How
such things prevent communities from having good access to services?

Because it looks to me like we just got an upgrade.

Don't stop there! There might be other businesses you can drive out of your neighbourhood with arson.

Naw, we're all good now at this point. Then, every Wells Fargo across the city seems to have gotten similar treatment. At any rate, fuck the "shareholders" and "owners". They certainly don't live here, and certainly don't contribute anything positive to the community in comparison to what community-owned and driven businesses do.

It's almost like when a business plays stupid games, they can win stupid prizes, too.
 

Derec

Contributor
At any rate, fuck the "shareholders" and "owners".

A lot of shareholders aka owners of publicly owned companies are middle class people who have 401ks and IRAs. But sure, fuck them, right?

As long as racially pure businesses then move into the burned out neighborhoods once all the "white interlopers" are driven out.
 

Derec

Contributor
Just heard back from my councilman, and a POC-community credit union is already on their way into the neighborhood, within the next year or so.

Well, everything is fine as long as the owners have the politically correct skin color!
 

Jarhyn

Contributor
I always find it hilarious when someone talks about those who gamble on and claim the value of the work of others for their own benefit, as if they have any right to the value that they just lost when things don't go their way. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

And in majority-minority community especially, but also just in general a.country where black people are underrepresented in business, and in large discriminated against by, well, interlopers, it's nice to see a business unlikely to discriminate going in. It is a good step in restoring the public trust to see a mixture of responsibility and ownership.

I mean shit, at least some, people, even if not some of the 'very fine people on ...<the other> side', recognize that when you have an opportunity to pick "a business that will do the job" and "a business that will do the job, and help ease racial tensions and inequity", picking the latter does make good sense.

Granted with this particular development, the credit union coming in is owned by people of color because they are the ones who first came together and organized the idea, because they were tired of getting fucked by Wells Fargo.
 

Toni

Contributor
At any rate, fuck the "shareholders" and "owners".

A lot of shareholders aka owners of publicly owned companies are middle class people who have 401ks and IRAs. But sure, fuck them, right?

As long as racially pure businesses then move into the burned out neighborhoods once all the "white interlopers" are driven out.

With regards to 401Ks —you can choose parameters of what type of investments you want to include in your portfolio. It’s possible to do well and be invested in corporations that represent your personal values.
 

Metaphor

Contributor
I always find it hilarious when someone talks about those who gamble on and claim the value of the work of others for their own benefit, as if they have any right to the value that they just lost when things don't go their way. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Jarhyn, are you remotely embarrassed that you support the violent destruction of legal businesses you don't care for?
 

Derec

Contributor
I always find it hilarious when someone talks about those who gamble on and claim the value of the work of others for their own benefit, as if they have any right to the value that they just lost when things don't go their way. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
It's not "playing stupid games" to find yourself a victim of looters and arsonists.

And in majority-minority community especially, but also just in general a.country where black people are underrepresented in business, and in large discriminated against by, well, interlopers, it's nice to see a business unlikely to discriminate going in. It is a good step in restoring the public trust to see a mixture of responsibility and ownership.
Your sentiment is dripping in racism against white people.
Do you also think a black-owned business in a majority white neighborhood is interloping too? Or is your idea of racial purity a one-way street.
Say what you will about repoman, but at least to him racial exclusivity is a two-way street, unlike with you, who applaud it for blacks, but decry it for whites. It is deeply hypocritical as well as racist.

Granted with this particular development, the credit union coming in is owned by people of color because they are the ones who first came together and organized the idea, because they were tired of getting fucked by Wells Fargo.

Also helps if there is looting and arson chasing out competition. Kind of like my joke that Gus "Buggin' Out" Fring burned down Sal's Pizzeria in "Do the Right Thing" to eliminate competition so he could more easily move into the neighborhood with Los Pollos Hermanos. :)
 

Derec

Contributor
With regards to 401Ks —you can choose parameters of what type of investments you want to include in your portfolio. It’s possible to do well and be invested in corporations that represent your personal values.

Not to mention racially "correct" ownership structure - no whitey allowed!
 
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