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My experiences that suggest an intelligent force exists


Married mouth-breather
Note that my metaphysical theories used to be much worse.... it was more arbitrary.... from December 2005:


The matrix - the theory of everything...

As I get closer to this, sabotage seems to keep on happening...
I think I know why...
Because my primary mode of thinking is binary (avoid or don't avoid pain)
And the average of the solution would be the centre of the matrix, and the centre of the matrix = dream/indeterminate/fantasy

I'm already getting very close to it...

Basically it is a 3 x 9 x 3 matrix...

The x is value (truth/false, valuable, worthless)

x=0,y=0,z=0 is indeterminate morality, value, magic.

Note I'm getting confused - I had mixed up x with y... when going from intuitive to logical thinking it reverses...
the y is active/passive (seek/avoid) - it works as a neural network. Intuitive/analogue people think using a neural network.


I think the matrix is binary = 3x9x3 spots (keep getting mixed up) = 81
And I think that it is 2^81 combinations =

2417851639229258349412352 combinations of concepts/ideas
After this I'm going to x=2, y=1 (this matrix is noisy I think? or just thinking too much using magic logic), z=1....

That is where the machine logic mind rests. It doesn't feel - except during sexual type connections where it crosses over to x=-2 y=-1 z=-1.

Maybe true knowledge of the machine mind is a bad thing since it leads to coming to a single spot which is static and not magical (it's "real"), has value, has no intuition/emotion

so choose your path... x = morality (avoid pain/indeterminate/seek pleasure) y = value (true/interminate/false) z = magic (real/indeterminate/imaginary)

If you don't choose a path goto indeterminate...


Married mouth-breather
Lately I've been watching "A Beautiful Mind". I especially watched the scenes about mental illness - sometimes the music repeated every 5 seconds or so. The next day I woke up and I couldn't get that 5 second repeating sound out of my mind. Eventually I discovered that I could usually make myself think of other music - music that I actually liked.

Then I was listening to some of my favourite songs on Youtube. After a few songs I was overwhelmed with emotion. I closed my eyes and shed tears. I thought I was close to God - in part of a game of "hide and seek". I remember also having tears - very strongly - when listening to Spirit Wings a few years ago. I remembered watching an excerpt in a Christian ad when I was a boy:

Note I originally chose a version that cut off the talking at the start.... then I remembered that the speech was relevant to my recent interest in the purpose of suffering.

I found this relevant to "spirit wings".... https://linenum.com/

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In post #21 I talked about a tingling sensation during a belief that an intelligent force may be present. Later this morning I saw a GP and am seeing a psychologist later today.

While walking the "You get what you give" song from my playlist played that I mentioned in the first post. I thought that I hadn't been listening to that advice - online I was wanting the maximum gain with the minimum exertion. I also found "what's real can't die" to be interesting. I didn't used to agree with it - but now I do.... I think outside all of the possible simulations there could be some kind of eternal multiverse.
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Married mouth-breather
Some more things relating to "LineNum"
The thread about it:

I chose the model because he reminded me of a cool version of Napoleon Dynamite....

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I eventually noticed he had two tattoos.... first I noticed the triangle (in LineNum it was originally upright) and then I noticed the cross near his wrist - that is like the cross in the Christian set of LineNum symbols... if he didn't have glasses to push up then I might not have seen it....

So this 2/2 set of symbols also adds to my belief in an intelligent force though it is a relatively small increase in my belief....

BTW I originally chose magenta as the color for the 5 line symbols because it is an unusual color but white seemed to fit things like the Holy Spirit better. So my beliefs can evolve like some books of the Bible can....
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my vocals suck. if you really want to hear me vocalize "there is no intelligent force" i will but then it will end up on facebook.
do you really want to open your app and hear me?


Married mouth-breather
my vocals suck. if you really want to hear me vocalize "there is no intelligent force" i will but then it will end up on facebook.
do you really want to open your app and hear me?
Do you believe that in the future it might be possible to make video games that seem indistinguishable from reality? It so then what if an intelligent force wanted to give hints of its presence?


Married mouth-breather
dude drones, augmented reality is already here.
the future???
Well the games are pretty realistic but still haven't quite mastered grass yet.... though this was close


the game will seem pretty real when the local PD has FLIR sent in to peer into your home from a drone that is silent with a launch capability of 6 miles and batteries that service 6 hours on a single charge after they triangulate your phone.....
already happened... clue...


Married mouth-breather
Well in post 301 I thought I had a very close connection to reality and an intelligent force.
I'm already getting very close to it...

Basically it is a 3 x 9 x 3 matrix...

The x is value (truth/false, valuable, worthless)

x=0,y=0,z=0 is indeterminate morality, value, magic.
Now it seems my linenum projects have got to the next level.
Here is my competition:
shapes1.png shapes2.png

I've come up with at least 8 that are short and have all 4 shapes.... (SOAP BOX, MAX COOL, etc).

Then I wanted to find words that use all 5 shapes - including the star. The star would be A and then the triangle would become D (and in recent versions the triangle was pointing to the right anyway).

So I looked up an anagram solver: A (star), X (cross), O (circle), O (square), D (triangle)

Then it came up with woodwax. After searching the internet I found that wax wood is also a word. So I wasn't sure whether to use woodwax or waxwood. Though the words were meaningless I thought it was clever to use all 5 of the symbols...

Then it popped into my head - MAX MOOD.

I found that there was a 2013 jazzy song with that name by Giorgio Rosciglione

That song has had 20 views and everything else Max Mood has virtually no views or subscriptions, etc. There are usernames and tablets that are called Max Mood.... but no brands. I was able to get maxmood.net for $15/yr....

Here is the design for the name:


BTW I don't consider this to just be normal coincidences.... linenum has links to sacred geometry and I've got a set of 5 symbols for Christianity, etc.

BTW Wikipedia has no results for Max Mood or Maxmood.....

So this isn't strengthening my belief in an intelligent force but I still see it as being more than just some coincidences.....

I see going from woodwax to wax wood to max mood as a kind of "hide and seek"....
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It was Xenophanes that said,

But if cattle and horses and lions had hands
or could paint with their hands and create works such as men do,
horses like horses and cattle like cattle
also would depict the gods' shapes and make their bodies
of such a sort as the form they themselves have.
Ethiopians say that their gods are snub–nosed [σιμούς] and black
Thracians that they are pale and red-haired.

In other words, when you are trying to think about something that is beyond your comprehension, your most natural starting point is to frame it as an ubered-up version of yourself. This is nothing to be ashamed of. Every culture in human history has done the same, and you should not doubt that your pet dog would do the same thing if they stopped to think about it.

By "intelligence," what are you really referring to? The human brain shares the same essential parts with the majority of mammals on the planet, and birds are really not all that far off. In fact, I would let a crow run for president! I like crows. I like something about their punk rock outlook on life.

I once had a pet crow, but I never saw him. I did not look. They would call out to me, every morning, with the same sequence of caws, and I would call it back to them. They would follow it up with a slightly more sophisticated riposte that I would return, and in this way, we would greet each other. I never once turned my head to look. Our relationship was entirely based on the music between us.

However, I have no doubt in my mind that if you were to ask that crow where the universe came from and that crow had learned the capacity for fluent English, that crow would say,

Well, it is the Mother Crow. I have never been religious, so I do not pretend that I can understand it. However, it goes like this. She wanted something shiny to put in her nest, so she created the Milky Way galaxy. I am not sure that I remember the rest of the story, though. I remember that much from my mum. Maybe the small part of me that believes in the story just misses my mum. I liked having someone watching over me, and I liked it when somebody cared about whether I was doing right or wrong. It was affirming, and when I was told it was time to leave the nest and fly on my own, I will admit this to you without feeling ashamed: I was scared.

If I am responsible for what kind of person I am, from now on, then what if I am a bad person? I don't want to be a bad person. Sometimes, I get mad, though, and then somebody is hurt. I guess that a lesser crow would say it made him feel big to do that, but it just makes me feel lonely. I used to think that that loneliness was Mother Crow telling me that I should go back and try to apologize, but these days, I just skip that. If I am feeling sorry, I just say I am sorry.

I have been around long enough, now, that I know my mum had good reasons why she taught me those things. It was just too much to try to explain to a little nestling, but I see now how I would not want to live in the kind of world where nobody tried to do what is right. I do what is right, whether or not it directly benefits me, because if the world cannot be beautiful, then I do not want it. That is what the metaphor meant. The world is just another pretty thing, but I have to make it pretty. It is my greatest treasure.

I tend to see crows as substantially more well-adjusted than most humans.

You can use metaphors to explain these kinds of things if you want to. It works the same way, though.


Married mouth-breather
In other words, when you are trying to think about something that is beyond your comprehension, your most natural starting point is to frame it as an ubered-up version of yourself.
I'm not sure this applies to my non-obvious "God" belief which is based on this Futurama quote:
GOD: Bender, being God isn't easy. If you do too much, people get dependent on you. And if you do nothing, they lose hope. You have to use a light touch like a safecracker or a pickpocket.​
BENDER: Or a guy who burns down the bar for the insurance money.​
GOD: Yes, if you make it look like an electrical thing. When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.​
....By "intelligence," what are you really referring to?
The intelligent force which could be an AI or post-human, etc.


Married mouth-breather
Lately I've been very interested in incels - on Youtube and their forum.... then I woke up in the night and after a while it popped into my head - their term "looksmax"....
looksmaxing is the practice of making the most of what you’ve got.
Well it can be spelt with the 4 basic shapes.... OO (circle and square) AX (triangle and cross).... another big "coincidence" regarding my LineNum interest....
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