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NASCAR endorses Trump

 
 
 
Deepak said:
What's funny is that I work with a Cruz supporter who still confidently thinks Trump is running as a joke and is bound to drop out any day now...
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I'm expecting something to do with disclosure.
 
In the end, a lot of people will go with Hillary over Trump because - Supreme court nominations.

Trump has said he'd like Sarah Palin in his cabinet. Enough said.
 
It would be far better for the sane world, if both Cruz stay's in it until the end. IF Cruz drops out, most of his support will go to Rubio. The Christian right is not a fan of Trump. Sure, they love his sexism, racism, and disdain for the poor (despite many being poor and women themselves). But he's transparently not Christian and they don't want America to be great again, they want it to be more Theocracatic than its ever been of Constitutionally is allowed to be. They want an America that bans abortion and contraception, attacks homosexuals, and where no child is left unbowed before a cross in their public school classroom. Rubio aint' their ideal but he gets them much closer to that than Trump. Rubio is sincerely religious and sees no problem basing government on his faith. He is a right-wing conservative Catholic (against most of Francis' modernist ways) plus a part-time Evangelical and attender of Southern Baptist Megachurches (not just as campaign photo-ops).

Pragmatic Republicans would back Rubio because he guarantees the GOP Florida and way more Hispanics in other states than Trump would. My prediction/fear for some time has been that if Rubio outlast all other Trump challengers, he would win the nomination and then the Presidency. Rubio would be as bad or worse a President as Trump in the ways that matter, and has the best chance to beat the Dems. The best chance to prevent a GOP win is to prevent a Rubio nomination, and the best odds of that is if Cruz stays in the race up until the end and splits the non-Trump vote.
 
ronburgundy said:
It would be far better for the sane world, if both Cruz stay's in it until the end. IF Cruz drops out, most of his support will go to Rubio. The Christian right is not a fan of Trump.
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Polling has not indicated as such, and Evangelicals are supporting him, despite any level of religious logic... oh wait... nevermind.

Rubio aint' their ideal but he gets them much closer to that than Trump. Rubio is sincerely religious and sees no problem basing government on his faith. He is a right-wing conservative Catholic (against most of Francis' modernist ways) plus a part-time Evangelical and attender of Southern Baptist Megachurches (not just as campaign photo-ops).

Pragmatic Republicans would back Rubio because he guarantees the GOP Florida and way more Hispanics in other states than Trump would.
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"Pragmatic" Republicans... who now?
My prediction/fear for some time has been that if Rubio outlast all other Trump challengers, he would win the nomination and then the Presidency.
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Rubio really shows the difference between Obama and Rubio (light-weight politicans with not much experience). Obama and Rubio share similarities with Political experience, but Obama could run a campaign and give great speeches and look great in debates. Rubio can't do any of that. While I agree, Rubio technically has the best chance at winning the election for a Republican, it'd be extremely hard against Clinton. What Rubio does, however, is not destroy the Republican controlled House. At least in theory. The Republican electorate has been so irrational, predicting their actions may be folly.
 
Cheerful Charlie said:
In the end, a lot of people will go with Hillary over Trump because - Supreme court nominations.

Trump has said he'd like Sarah Palin in his cabinet. Enough said.
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Contrary to myth, Sarah Palin increased McCain's poll numbers by 5%-10% and made him more likely to win. The economic panic of late September and October 2008 is what brought McCain back down to the 10% loss margin that he was suffering from prior to bringing Palin on board. If you think that anyone who would ever consider Trump thinks Palin in his Cabinet is a deal breaker or would rather have Hillary choosing SCOTUS judges, then you don't get his supporters at all.
 
ronburgundy said:
Cheerful Charlie said:
In the end, a lot of people will go with Hillary over Trump because - Supreme court nominations.

Trump has said he'd like Sarah Palin in his cabinet. Enough said.
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Contrary to myth, Sarah Palin increased McCain's poll numbers by 5%-10% and made him more likely to win. The economic panic of late September and October 2008 is what brought McCain back down to the 10% loss margin that he was suffering from prior to bringing Palin on board. If you think that anyone who would ever consider Trump thinks Palin in his Cabinet is a deal breaker or would rather have Hillary choosing SCOTUS judges, then you don't get his supporters at all.
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In a general election, things are different. Adding Sarah Palin to a cabinet may make his supporters happy, but he needs to get the moderates on his side and Palin actually managed to alienate right-wingers when they learned this wilderness girl huntress didn't know how to handle a gun.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Polling has not indicated as such, and Evangelicals are supporting him, despite any level of religious logic... oh wait... nevermind.
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Polls do indicate as much, and show Evangelicals currently with Cruz would go to Rubio.

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Trumps current massive lead on Rubio shrinks to 6% if Cruz drops out, and Rubio leads Trump among White Evangelicals (newsflash, they are way more dominant in the GOP than non-white Evangelicals).


Rubio aint' their ideal but he gets them much closer to that than Trump. Rubio is sincerely religious and sees no problem basing government on his faith. He is a right-wing conservative Catholic (against most of Francis' modernist ways) plus a part-time Evangelical and attender of Southern Baptist Megachurches (not just as campaign photo-ops).

Pragmatic Republicans would back Rubio because he guarantees the GOP Florida and way more Hispanics in other states than Trump would.
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"Pragmatic" Republicans... who now?
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It's thinking (or lack of) like that which will lose the Dems the election. There are many GOP voters (and most of the leaders of the party) that vote pragmatically for the party to win over a particular ideological candidate. They know that most polls show Rubio beating Hillary, and even Cruz barely beating Hillary, but Trump losing to Hillary. Thus, they are currently in support of either Cruz or Rubio and will switch to which ever of those two stay in the race.

My prediction/fear for some time has been that if Rubio outlast all other Trump challengers, he would win the nomination and then the Presidency.
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Rubio really shows the difference between Obama and Rubio (light-weight politicans with not much experience). Obama and Rubio share similarities with Political experience, but Obama could run a campaign and give great speeches and look great in debates. Rubio can't do any of that. While I agree, Rubio technically has the best chance at winning the election for a Republican, it'd be extremely hard against Clinton. What Rubio does, however, is not destroy the Republican controlled House. At least in theory. The Republican electorate has been so irrational, predicting their actions may be folly.
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Polls show Rubio with a lead on Hillary for the past 3 months and growing steadily to a current 5 point margin. Turnout will matter much more for the general election than will anything the candidates say during the general, and the GOP is generally better at getting turnout, especially with conservative vitriol at it current level and against Hillary who is merely the unlikeable lesser evil among most that would favor her. Also, the party machines control to discourse and news cycles, and again, the GOP is better at that. All Rubio has to do is lay low and not fuck it up, and a win is more likely than not.
 
I keep trying to find an analogy to this election in our history -- two candidates who are extremely polarizing and who inspire a visceral loathing in their opponents....McGovern/Nixon comes closest. This year will, I hope be an anomaly that doesn't characterize our politics. I hope it looks utterly deranged to future Americans.
I'm a Democrat, not all that enthused about HRC, but JESUS, we can't have that red-faced ranting dildo in the White House. The real wild card that makes all the polls suspect is DT's personality -- who knows what whacko move he'll make next? Is he truly mistake-proof? I remember when a single weird yelp made Howard Dean unelectable. We now have a guy who claims he could murder people in the street for sport and his supporters wouldn't care. Is the phrase American Civilization now obsolete? Should Howard Stern jump in the race?
 
ideologyhunter said:
I keep trying to find an analogy to this election in our history -- two candidates who are extremely polarizing and who inspire a visceral loathing in their opponents....McGovern/Nixon comes closest. This year will, I hope be an anomaly that doesn't characterize our politics. I hope it looks utterly deranged to future Americans.
I'm a Democrat, not all that enthused about HRC, but JESUS, we can't have that red-faced ranting dildo in the White House. The real wild card that makes all the polls suspect is DT's personality -- who knows what whacko move he'll make next? Is he truly mistake-proof? I remember when a single weird yelp made Howard Dean unelectable. We now have a guy who claims he could murder people in the street for sport and his supporters wouldn't care. Is the phrase American Civilization now obsolete? Should Howard Stern jump in the race?
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Trump has made a fortune selling an image. What he apparently doesn't realize is that when you are in the White House, you own it. All of the failures with his name on it didn't cost him anything. You can't just walk away from the Presidency... well... he would, but that is what it'd take to get out of owning the Presidency. He can't just throw a Trump (Drumpf) placard on the White House and "America is great again".
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
ronburgundy said:
Contrary to myth, Sarah Palin increased McCain's poll numbers by 5%-10% and made him more likely to win. The economic panic of late September and October 2008 is what brought McCain back down to the 10% loss margin that he was suffering from prior to bringing Palin on board. If you think that anyone who would ever consider Trump thinks Palin in his Cabinet is a deal breaker or would rather have Hillary choosing SCOTUS judges, then you don't get his supporters at all.
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In a general election, things are different. Adding Sarah Palin to a cabinet may make his supporters happy, but he needs to get the moderates on his side and Palin actually managed to alienate right-wingers when they learned this wilderness girl huntress didn't know how to handle a gun.
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So, your theory is that people upset that Palin can't handle a gun would support Hillary for President over having Palin in a largely meaningless position?
The general is different. It all comes down to people's forced to choose between two people of opposing parties, which means something like Palin in the cabinet would not matter in any way. Moderates didn't matter in 2012 (Obama lost the Independent vote) and won't matter much in 2016. Turn out of party loyalists and those to the right and left of the parties will matter more. I think Trump would lose to Hillary, but neither Palin won't have anything to do with it, and, if anything, the conservative base cares (is angry) more about SCOTUS, and that issue will help their turnout regardless of the nominee.
 
ronburgundy said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
In a general election, things are different. Adding Sarah Palin to a cabinet may make his supporters happy, but he needs to get the moderates on his side and Palin actually managed to alienate right-wingers when they learned this wilderness girl huntress didn't know how to handle a gun.
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So, your theory is that people upset that Palin can't handle a gun would support Hillary for President over having Palin in a largely meaningless position?
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I'm saying that Palin's support even among the right side of the right-wing has been noticably diminished.
The general is different. It all comes down to people's forced to choose between two people of opposing parties, which means something like Palin in the cabinet would not matter in any way. Moderates didn't matter in 2012 (Obama lost the Independent vote) and won't matter much in 2016.
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Actually he won in three states, but point understood. I hadn't realized he lost the Independent vote in a number of battleground states. It should be noted, that it is a numbers game. He doesn't have to win out right a certain group of votes, he just needs to win enough.
Turn out of party loyalists and those to the right and left of the parties will matter more. I think Trump would lose to Hillary, but neither Palin won't have anything to do with it, and, if anything, the conservative base cares (is angry) more about SCOTUS, and that issue will help their turnout regardless of the nominee.
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I can't believe the Independents will go in majority for a fake business man who says pretty stupid crap. If he is the nominee, the luster of the Trump brand is going to be tarnished.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
NASCAR CEO and some of his cronies endorsed Trump today. Afterward, Trump said no one else can win and they might as well stop the election. Is the nail really in the coffin of the American people or does Trump need some additional endorsement, like from Budweiser or the Kardashians?
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Does this mean the race for the Republican Nomination is going to get real boring, and a woman will start running and everyone will complain about how the woman never does better than fifth?
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I think that already happened.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
he needs to get the moderates on his side and Palin actually managed to alienate right-wingers when they learned this wilderness girl huntress didn't know how to handle a gun.
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no he doesn't, because "moderates" as you're using the term here don't exist, except as a mass delusion of the political establishment and its attendant media parasites.
 
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