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Here's an odd one. Denmark has passed a law to prevent lifetime prisoners to date while in prison. This means they're only allowed to have mail correspondences with people they already know and no nuptial meetings.

I don't get this. Supposedly the goal is to protect these women. But the way I think, if these women are seeking out violent murders, then how does this protect them? At least this way they're dating guys who can't physically hurt them.

And not only that... but shouldn't anybody be allowed to date anybody? If it's all consensual than, surely, it's nobody's business.

Insider knowledge, this guy was a part of the Copenhagen kinky scene and also swinger scene before going to jail. He was a charming and popular guy. This is a community where everybody talks to each other and dirty laundry gets aired very fast. It's an incredibly protective (for women's safety) community. So I don't think it's for these women's safety that they're concerned. I think they're jealous. I think these boring us fuck grey politicians are bitter about they not getting pussy they haven't paid for, while murders have women falling all over them.

I think it's moralistic nonsense. I see allowing these guys to start pen pall relationships with women of dubious judgement as just one of these fascinating things about life.
 

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It is punishment.

The utility and morality of punishment is questionable.
 

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...This means they're only allowed to have mail correspondences with people they already know...
Does this mean true-crime authors are no longer allowed to do research for their books?
 

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i think this is more of a punishment for the "ladies" than it is for the prisoners.

That depends on the goal, but I think the result is probably worse for the murderers, who lose the chance of having sex entirely, or almost so depending on the case, unless perhaps they already have a spouse willing to continue the relationship. On the other hand, other people only lose the chance of meeting them and having sex with them - which would happen anyway if they were executed, for example -, and not with other people.
 

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Well, these people are almost certainly psychopaths and it's hereditary. You don't want these people procreating.
 

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Well, these people are almost certainly psychopaths and it's hereditary. You don't want these people procreating.

So, we're doing eugenics then to prisoners?
 

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Well, these people are almost certainly psychopaths and it's hereditary. You don't want these people procreating.

So, we're doing eugenics then to prisoners?
Yes and I am fine with it. I saw psychologists advocating for keeping violent psychopaths isolated indefinitely one way or another, even after they served their sentences.
By the way, they don't have life sentences in Norway, but they can keep certain people like Breivik isolated even after release. He is not getting out completely free ever.
 

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Being violent and a sociopath is not a genetic trait.

All humans have the capacity to be both.
 

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Being violent and a sociopath is not a genetic trait.
According to latest data IT IS. That is, you are your genome, and that's the end of it.

All humans have the capacity to be both.
So what? just because it's a distribution you can't have a cut-off level?
And sociopaths fall so off on distribution that they can be said to be binary. They literally have no conscience. Whereas the rest have different amount of it.
 

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But the way I think, if these women are seeking out violent murders, then how does this protect them? At least this way they're dating guys who can't physically hurt them.
It's about not making it easy. If a woman wants to date violent psychopath she should go find one herself and not rely on the government to provide one for her.
 

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This thread looks like a couple of little kids trying to blame each other. That doesn't settle anything.
 

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Finger pointing?

I have asked somebody to defend their claims and they had a series of tirades.
 

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But the way I think, if these women are seeking out violent murders, then how does this protect them? At least this way they're dating guys who can't physically hurt them.
It's about not making it easy. If a woman wants to date violent psychopath she should go find one herself and not rely on the government to provide one for her.

I agree, barbos.

It's funny how some people who would be against capital punishment for violent murderers and rapists are now wishing death on anti-vaxxers.
 

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How could somebody that supports capital punishment not want people who deliberately kill others to not suffer a similar punishment for their evil?

If your malignant stupidity that is killing others kills you I am all for it.
 

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How could somebody that supports capital punishment not want people who deliberately kill others to not suffer a similar punishment for their evil?

If your malignant stupidity that is killing others kills you I am all for it.

Sigh...

1. I don't support capital punishment. In fact, I wrote a sonnet about capital punishment called "Lethal Injection", which I have posted in two threads hereabouts. I did support it when I was young, or thought I did. But life and reflection and empathy changed my view altogether.

2. I was referring to certain people in the political threads who, I believe, are (or were) opposed to capital punishment, who are now wishing death on anti-vaxxers. Do you advocate capital punishment? I have no idea if you do.

3. The death penalty is for capital offenses. "Malignant stupidity" is not a capital offense. Ignorance is not a capital offense.

That you wish death on people for being stupid is monumentally asinine.

ie, extremely stupid.
 

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Malignant stupidity that kills others is an offense.

Deliberately endangering others because of your malignant stupidity is an offense.

And if somebody dies because of it I don't give a damn.

I am a moral human. Moral humans do not deliberately endanger others.

That you wish death on people for being stupid is monumentally asinine.

You thinking that is my position is the monumental stupidity.

It is about people deliberately endangering others and people dying because of it.
 

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Malignant stupidity that kills others is an offense.

Deliberately endangering others because of your malignant stupidity is an offense.

And if somebody dies because of it I don't give a damn.

I am a moral human. Moral humans do not deliberately endanger others.

That you wish death on people for being stupid is monumentally asinine.

You thinking that is my position is the monumental stupidity.

It is about people deliberately endangering others and people dying because of it.

Egads, will you please try to understand something!

Do you honestly think that all anti-vaxxers are "deliberately endangering others?" Please note the word "deliberately".

That they are endangering others is a certainty; that they are doing it DELIBERATELY would mean that they actually DO believe that the virus is very real, and potentially deadly, but insist on going maskless anyway just so they can possibly kill people, or, possibly contract the virus and end up dying themselves - DELIBERATELY.

My parents are anti-vaxxers. They really truly, honest-to-goodness believe that Covid 19 is a minor virus, that it is only fatal for people who are already sick with something else, or who would have died anyway (yes they actually do believe it) even if they had not contracted it, like for instance the people who died in the Nursing Home I worked in for a while. They do not wish to deliberately kill people. I assure you, and I can rest assured that the number of anti-vaxxers who "deliberately" want to kill people is not large at all.

If someone literally wants to deliberately kill someone, then I agree with you. If they die, they die.

I wish I could take a video of my father pontificating about all this and show it to people so they wouldn't think I am talking out of my ass. But I will not purposely shame my own father, who has been over-and-beyond good to me. He and my mother are not unintelligent, in fact my father is especially bright. But he is stubborn and ignorant and yes very foolish and stupid about some things. He's been a hard-right (atheist by the by) conservative Republican since he was in his young twenties. Ex-Air Force, long career as a civil servant at West Point.

He is utterly convinced that the Virus is real, yes, but over-hyped and now being used as a political tool, to see how obedient the masses will be. The older he gets, the more far out his thoughts become. He and I have battled head to head so many times I could not tell you, but he cannot be persuaded to think in any manner other than the way he is accustomed.

I do not wish death on my parents, or on anyone, for being ignorant, no matter how threatening they might become.
 

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Malignant stupidity that kills others is an offense.

Deliberately endangering others because of your malignant stupidity is an offense.

And if somebody dies because of it I don't give a damn.

I am a moral human. Moral humans do not deliberately endanger others.

That you wish death on people for being stupid is monumentally asinine.

You thinking that is my position is the monumental stupidity.

It is about people deliberately endangering others and people dying because of it.

Egads, will you please try to understand something!

Do you honestly think that all anti-vaxxers are "deliberately endangering others?" Please note the word "deliberately".

They are showing deliberate and malignant disregard for the well being of others.

It is all about themselves and their delusions that THEY are safe. They know people are dying. They pretend it isn't happening to convince themselves that they won't ever suffer.

They don't care if they are a carrier that passes the virus to some other person who may die.

If they get the virus and die I nor should anyone else care that much. I do care about the people they leave behind due to their malignant ignorance and narcissism.
 

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But the way I think, if these women are seeking out violent murders, then how does this protect them? At least this way they're dating guys who can't physically hurt them.
It's about not making it easy. If a woman wants to date violent psychopath she should go find one herself and not rely on the government to provide one for her.

I agree, barbos.

It's funny how some people who would be against capital punishment for violent murderers and rapists are now wishing death on anti-vaxxers.

Speaking for myself,
I'm pretty hard core Prolifer. I don't wish death on anyone, exactly. But if antivaxxers bring some dangerous situation upon themselves, I haven't much sympathy. If an overburdened hospital simply refused to accept unvaccinated patients*, for anything, I wouldn't have a problem with that either. "Sorry ma'am, your boyfriend is unvaccinated. You'll have to take him elsewhere for gunshot wound treatment."

Choices have consequences, no matter if that feels unfair.
Tom

* of course, I'm not referring to people with medical contraindications.
 

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But the way I think, if these women are seeking out violent murders, then how does this protect them? At least this way they're dating guys who can't physically hurt them.
It's about not making it easy. If a woman wants to date violent psychopath she should go find one herself and not rely on the government to provide one for her.

I agree, barbos.

It's funny how some people who would be against capital punishment for violent murderers and rapists are now wishing death on anti-vaxxers.
And even stranger to me is that they don't seem to understand that, since they are vaccinated, they are protected from infection... they think anti-vaxxers are a threat to themselves apparently not understanding the science of immunology. I wouldn't have gotten vaccinated back in February if I didn't understand that it would protect me from the infected. If they really want anti-vaxxers to die then they should be encouraging them to avoid vaccination so they will have a higher chance of dying from covid.

The whole mania has become political or maybe it has become a mania because it has been made political. The politicization has led to advocates not understanding who the unvaccinated are but are wrongly assuming them to be Republicans. The unvaccinated are of all political persuasions but the largest identifiable groups that resist vaccination are blacks and Hispanics (who are primarily Democrats).
 

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I am not sure how and why we started taking about C19. But anti-vaxers dying especially prominent ones kinda help overall. First they stop talking, second , their death kinda speaks to their followers.

And in the long run, anti-vaxers not propagating their genes helps too. Yes, everything including political inclinations is at least partially/indirectly genetic. There are studies which confirm that. And no, I am not going to provide links, it's not 1995 anymore.
 
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