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Now the Coup Starts

SLD

Veteran Member
Just as I feared Trump just went on TV and said he's won - as long as only the legal votes are counted. Next expect Barr to try to pull some shit to stop the illegal vote counting. Federal officials will take over and complete the counts in the remaining states to ensure that only legal votes are counted. DHS officials will help. Just like they did in Portland.

Or something like that. Don't trust these fucktards one iota. They'll pull this shit clear as day.
 

Gospel

Aethiopian
If I wasn't afraid of flying I'd catch a airplane to Birmingham Alabama just so we can talk things over a bottle of Glenvilet (too broke to afford expensive scotch). You'd get a lot of back pats & consolation mixed with silly stories of my experiences as a Jamaican immigrant in America. "Chill out bub; none of that is gonna happen." The Trump presidency will be a thing of the past like the George W Bush one. You'd be wishing Trump is back in no time when he's replaced with a smarter & truly evil President. Just relax.
 

ideologyhunter

Veteran Member
This is the post-patriotism GOP. Can you imagine a President telling his country that the elections are riddled with fraud and that his (ohgodletshope) successor is only in office through election theft? You don't have to imagine. The Republicans' hero just told you.
 

barbos

Contributor
I think it's too much even for current republican party. More likely they would hang Trump than commit mass suicide.
 

T.G.G. Moogly

Formerly Joedad
I think it's too much even for current republican party. More likely they would hang Trump than commit mass suicide.

What planet are you living on?

On another one of my biking excursions I came across a huge red Trump flag in a front yard that read TRUMP:FUCK YOUR FEELINGS.

I thought communities had ordinances against such but I must be wrong. Plenty more just like this one. It demonstrates that the people behind the flags aren't as sane and rational and democratic as you seem to imagine.
 

Elixir

Content Thief
The Coup looks destined to fizzle. I expect very little bloodletting, albeit much gnashing of teeth.
With stalwarts like Mitch, Christy et al abandoning poor Donny in his hour of need, and a popular vote margin that is not just a plurality but a majority for Biden, the Junta has a big hill to climb and no legs to get it done. A few - or even a few thousand - ignorant morons wielding AK47s in the streets isn't going to save Agent Orange.
 

SLD

Veteran Member
I meant republican operatives, not his base.

But you’re wrong. They’re all lining up behind der fuhrer. McConnell, Graham and others are all repeating the mantra. They don’t dare cross Fuck Face Von Clownstick. The base would hammer them. No one dares to disagree with him. Look what happened to Jeff Sessions.
 

Elixir

Content Thief
I meant republican operatives, not his base.

But you’re wrong. They’re all lining up behind der fuhrer. McConnell, Graham and others are all repeating the mantra. They don’t dare cross Fuck Face Von Clownstick. The base would hammer them. No one dares to disagree with him. Look what happened to Jeff Sessions.

I don't see it. Graham, yeah. But McConnell came out this morning in favor of counting all the votes, knowing full well that doing so will cause Agent Orange to be deposed.
 

Keith&Co.

Contributor
I meant republican operatives, not his base.

But you’re wrong. They’re all lining up behind der fuhrer. McConnell, Graham and others are all repeating the mantra. They don’t dare cross Fuck Face Von Clownstick. The base would hammer them. No one dares to disagree with him. Look what happened to Jeff Sessions.

I don't see it. Graham, yeah. But McConnell came out this morning in favor of counting all the votes, knowing full well that doing so will cause Agent Orange to be deposed.
All the LEGAL votes. So he's covered both ways. If Trump's lawyers can get enough thrown out, Mitch is still supporting Trump. If not, he can claim to have welcomed Biden as the People's choice.
 

T.G.G. Moogly

Formerly Joedad
I meant republican operatives, not his base.

But you’re wrong. They’re all lining up behind der fuhrer. McConnell, Graham and others are all repeating the mantra. They don’t dare cross Fuck Face Von Clownstick. The base would hammer them. No one dares to disagree with him. Look what happened to Jeff Sessions.

You've identified the dynamic perfectly. Even republicans that have issues with Orange won't cross or diss him because of his love affair with that crazy base. Early in Trumpo's administration there were people who spoke up rationally when Orange would say something perfectly insane like wanting to buy Greenland or wishing to trade Puerto Rico for Greenland. But those people are all gone and replaced by loyal crazies.

People like McConnell and Graham are only after their political skin. They'll accept and tolerate anything but the loss of their political skin.
 

Elixir

Content Thief
I don't see it. Graham, yeah. But McConnell came out this morning in favor of counting all the votes, knowing full well that doing so will cause Agent Orange to be deposed.
All the LEGAL votes. So he's covered both ways. If Trump's lawyers can get enough thrown out, Mitch is still supporting Trump. If not, he can claim to have welcomed Biden as the People's choice.

He can afford to do that, since his own position is fairly assured. That's all any of these kleptocratic republitards care about.
 

Politesse

Sapere aude
Moscow Mitch comes out ahead either way, given his long friendships with both the incumbent and the president-elect. Would he really prefer Trump to the point of endangering all of their positions?
 

Jimmy Higgins

Contributor
I think it's too much even for current republican party. More likely they would hang Trump than commit mass suicide.
It wouldn't be suicide, it'd be the death of American Democracy. And not enough, almost no GOP'ers are coming out against the ridiculously banana republic comments Trump stated to the nation.
Moscow Mitch comes out ahead either way, given his long friendships with both the incumbent and the president-elect. Would he really prefer Trump to the point of endangering all of their positions?
Or ensuring it for a good long time, that is whole point of coups.

That Trump even went there is despicable.
 

SLD

Veteran Member
Trump’s statement today:

We all know why Joe Biden is rushing to falsely pose as the winner, and why his media allies are trying so hard to help him: they don’t want the truth to be exposed. The simple fact is this election is far from over. Joe Biden has not been certified as the winner of any states, let alone any of the highly contested states headed for mandatory recounts, or states where our campaign has valid and legitimate legal challenges that could determine the ultimate victor. In Pennsylvania, for example, our legal observers were not permitted meaningful access to watch the counting process. Legal votes decide who is president, not the news media.

“Beginning Monday, our campaign will start prosecuting our case in court to ensure election laws are fully upheld and the rightful winner is seated. The American People are entitled to an honest election: that means counting all legal ballots, and not counting any illegal ballots. This is the only way to ensure the public has full confidence in our election. It remains shocking that the Biden campaign refuses to agree with this basic principle and wants ballots counted even if they are fraudulent, manufactured, or cast by ineligible or deceased voters. Only a party engaged in wrongdoing would unlawfully keep observers out of the count room – and then fight in court to block their access.

“So what is Biden hiding? I will not rest until the American People have the honest vote count they deserve and that Democracy demands.”

He’s betting on the Supreme Court that he’s stacked. I don’t trust them either after Bush v. Gore. Kavanaugh especially. I don’t see how exactly they can reverse the results, but damn they will try.
 

barbos

Contributor
I think it's too much even for current republican party. More likely they would hang Trump than commit mass suicide.
It wouldn't be suicide, it'd be the death of American Democracy. And not enough, almost no GOP'ers are coming out against the ridiculously banana republic comments Trump stated to the nation.
Moscow Mitch comes out ahead either way, given his long friendships with both the incumbent and the president-elect. Would he really prefer Trump to the point of endangering all of their positions?
Or ensuring it for a good long time, that is whole point of coups.

That Trump even went there is despicable.
So, now what? republican party stay trump party forever? I mean the guy lost, why can't they gather around and quietly "hang" him?
Nobody in their ranks plans to run for POTUS in 2024? That's pathetic, that's utterly pathetic.
Afraid of his rabid base? Even old ones who have nothing to lose?
Where is a fucking Jeb Bush? Does he need money? no, he does not. He now can come out and tell what he thinks about Trump.
 

bilby

Fair dinkum thinkum
Trump’s statement today:

We all know why Joe Biden is rushing to falsely pose as the winner, and why his media allies are trying so hard to help him: they don’t want the truth to be exposed. The simple fact is this election is far from over. Joe Biden has not been certified as the winner of any states, let alone any of the highly contested states headed for mandatory recounts, or states where our campaign has valid and legitimate legal challenges that could determine the ultimate victor. In Pennsylvania, for example, our legal observers were not permitted meaningful access to watch the counting process. Legal votes decide who is president, not the news media.

“Beginning Monday, our campaign will start prosecuting our case in court to ensure election laws are fully upheld and the rightful winner is seated. The American People are entitled to an honest election: that means counting all legal ballots, and not counting any illegal ballots. This is the only way to ensure the public has full confidence in our election. It remains shocking that the Biden campaign refuses to agree with this basic principle and wants ballots counted even if they are fraudulent, manufactured, or cast by ineligible or deceased voters. Only a party engaged in wrongdoing would unlawfully keep observers out of the count room – and then fight in court to block their access.

“So what is Biden hiding? I will not rest until the American People have the honest vote count they deserve and that Democracy demands.”

He’s betting on the Supreme Court that he’s stacked. I don’t trust them either after Bush v. Gore. Kavanaugh especially. I don’t see how exactly they can reverse the results, but damn they will try.

They won't get a chance to try, unless there's some hard evidence of widespread fraud or cheating by the Democratic campaign. And if the GOP had that evidence, they would be shouting it from the rooftops.

In the absence of any evidence, a legal challenge will be dismissed in the lower courts, and will never get to the Supremes.

The courts - at every level - aren't interested in unsubstantiated claims of unspecified unlawful activity. Sure, you can pay a lawyer to take a baseless brief and start proceedings in the lower courts; But without evidence, that brief will be laughed out of court in short order.

Trump's MO is to sue everyone and everything, whenever he doesn't get his way. But in this situation, all that will achieve is to make DJT poorer, and his lawyers richer. It's not going to achieve anything else.
 

Shadowy Man

Veteran Member
Apparently one piece of “evidence” Giuliani was bringing up was a poll watcher who wasn’t allowed within six feet of the counters. Hmm...
 

GenesisNemesis

Veteran Member
I was pretty concerned about a coup but I don't think it would last very long, and Trump would eventually get kicked out. No reason to think he would be able to sustain it.
 

Elixir

Content Thief
"They wouldn't let us brandish firearms in the faces of the vote counters!"

Yeah, that's gonna get a whole lot of traction... with the trumpsucking droolers maybe.
Nonethless, we have idiots like Steve Scalise still showing up on FOX talking about how it took until December 15th to decide the 2000 election.
As if that was a comparable situation - as if someone already had over 270 electoral votes in 2000, before FL was decided, but SCOTUS took them away.
NOT.
This "coup" is as fake as everything else Trump has ever done.
 

southernhybrid

Contributor
There will be no coup. Trump will whine and complain that the election was stolen from him. There is no evidence of fraud. The claim is insane. And, I hate it when people on the left start believing in crazy conspiracy theories. The US hasn't gone off the deep end yet, and once the Trump presidency ends, there is hope.

Trump will probably never concede, but that just shows what a little whiney toddler he really is. There is no need for any politician to concede when they lose. It's simply the polite, tradition that's almost always done. I've read that people in the WH are already updating their resumes, and getting ready to leave. Even the worst of the Republicans know that Biden is going to be president on Jan 20th. Once the rest of Trump's crazy claims are thrown out by the courts, most likely very soon, we will begin to leave crazy behind us. There is no evidence that anything widespread impacted this election.

So, join me in saying.....BYE DON!
 
It's probably worth it for you all to check in to OAN, right-wing social media, etc and actually observe what is going on.

There are some 10 purported legal challenges including irregularities and fabricated fraud charges across several states in total.

OAN and right-wing social media are going nuts. OAN news is telling people not to complain, but instead, to go out and join protests. It's one step away from inciting violence.

The Right-Wing machine is not like what the Democrats have...you have to understand how deep it goes and how wide its scope is. Trump cultists are numerous. Very numerous. They are acting like localized person-to-person media projecting whatever propaganda they get to all their friends on social media or in blogs etc. Many cultists are fundamentalist Christians and so they are used to being lied to. Their religious leaders are lying to them because their religious leaders have gained power, clout, and money from the Trump Presidency...same with right wing media figures...and right wing politicians.

If Trump admits all this fraud talk is phony, then the backbone of the Republican Party, i.e. religious leaders have to admit they've been engaging in a mass propaganda effort...same with the whole machine they've been busy constructing. Breitbart has to admit it's a lie. OAN would lose all its viewership. That isn't what the Republican Party is...the Republican Party is a scam by its nature and so it has to continue at least in part.

Therefore, Trump is either going to concede but with the caveat he was cheated and the ball will still keep rolling so that Republicans can use election conspiracy as a plank to take over the House in two years OR they will keep at it.
 

TomC

Veteran Member
Trump’s statement today:

We all know why Joe Biden is rushing to falsely pose as the winner, and why his media allies are trying so hard to help him: they don’t want the truth to be exposed. The simple fact is this election is far from over. Joe Biden has not been certified as the winner of any states, let alone any of the highly contested states headed for mandatory recounts, or states where our campaign has valid and legitimate legal challenges that could determine the ultimate victor. In Pennsylvania, for example, our legal observers were not permitted meaningful access to watch the counting process. Legal votes decide who is president, not the news media.

“Beginning Monday, our campaign will start prosecuting our case in court to ensure election laws are fully upheld and the rightful winner is seated. The American People are entitled to an honest election: that means counting all legal ballots, and not counting any illegal ballots. This is the only way to ensure the public has full confidence in our election. It remains shocking that the Biden campaign refuses to agree with this basic principle and wants ballots counted even if they are fraudulent, manufactured, or cast by ineligible or deceased voters. Only a party engaged in wrongdoing would unlawfully keep observers out of the count room – and then fight in court to block their access.

“So what is Biden hiding? I will not rest until the American People have the honest vote count they deserve and that Democracy demands.”

He’s betting on the Supreme Court that he’s stacked. I don’t trust them either after Bush v. Gore. Kavanaugh especially. I don’t see how exactly they can reverse the results, but damn they will try.

They won't get a chance to try, unless there's some hard evidence of widespread fraud or cheating by the Democratic campaign. And if the GOP had that evidence, they would be shouting it from the rooftops.

In the absence of any evidence, a legal challenge will be dismissed in the lower courts, and will never get to the Supremes.

The courts - at every level - aren't interested in unsubstantiated claims of unspecified unlawful activity. Sure, you can pay a lawyer to take a baseless brief and start proceedings in the lower courts; But without evidence, that brief will be laughed out of court in short order.

Trump's MO is to sue everyone and everything, whenever he doesn't get his way. But in this situation, all that will achieve is to make DJT poorer, and his lawyers richer. It's not going to achieve anything else.

Trump's MO can achieve something else.
He can, and probably will, undercut the institutions that have kept America Great. He's trashing the confidence the American people have in our institutions and government. From elections to SCOTUS, Trump's MO is hire lawyers and lie.

And he'll manage to do a lot of that during the next few months. Along with selling state secrets and pardons and executive orders. It's not like Trump was an unknown when his TeaParty base dodged the democratic system and got him installed in the White House.

Apparently, Trump is what Christianity means nowadays.
And conservative. And Republican. Any lie that might benefit you is OK. By the standards of Trump's base.
Tom
 
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Swammerdami

Squadron Leader
Staff member
I'm a bit leery of Betfair, where punters are selling their Biden tickets for 94 cents on the dollar. This despite that Betfair's rules are to settle based on "projections" without waiting to see if electors are faithful.
Trump's MO can achieve something else.
He can, and probably will, undercut the institutions that have kept America Great. He's trashing the confidence the American people have in our institutions and government. From elections to SCOTUS, Trump's MO is hire lawyers and lie.

And he'll manage to do a lot of that during the next few months. Along with selling state secrets and pardons and executive orders. It's not like Trump was an unknown when his TeaParty base dodged the democratic system and got him installed in the White House.

Apparently, Trump is what Christianity means nowadays.
And conservative. And Republican. Any lie that might benefit you is OK. By the standards of Trump's base.
Tom
Trump and Kushner have surely acquired knowledge of government secrets worth billions to America's enemies. It would be sweet if China or some other country sets up a sting against the Trump family in an effort to improve their relationship with U.S. (Or, since 48% of U.S. voters support Trump treasons and crimes, would such a sting backfire?)
 

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
I'm a bit leery of Betfair, where punters are selling their Biden tickets for 94 cents on the dollar. This despite that Betfair's rules are to settle based on "projections" without waiting to see if electors are faithful.
Trump's MO can achieve something else.
He can, and probably will, undercut the institutions that have kept America Great. He's trashing the confidence the American people have in our institutions and government. From elections to SCOTUS, Trump's MO is hire lawyers and lie.

And he'll manage to do a lot of that during the next few months. Along with selling state secrets and pardons and executive orders. It's not like Trump was an unknown when his TeaParty base dodged the democratic system and got him installed in the White House.

Apparently, Trump is what Christianity means nowadays.
And conservative. And Republican. Any lie that might benefit you is OK. By the standards of Trump's base.
Tom
Trump and Kushner have surely acquired knowledge of government secrets worth billions to America's enemies. It would be sweet if China or some other country sets up a sting against the Trump family in an effort to improve their relationship with U.S. (Or, since 48% of U.S. voters support Trump treasons and crimes, would such a sting backfire?)

Is this about unfair, or about the pending legal challenges?
 

Bronzeage

Super Moderator
Staff member
I'm a bit leery of Betfair, where punters are selling their Biden tickets for 94 cents on the dollar. This despite that Betfair's rules are to settle based on "projections" without waiting to see if electors are faithful.
Trump's MO can achieve something else.
He can, and probably will, undercut the institutions that have kept America Great. He's trashing the confidence the American people have in our institutions and government. From elections to SCOTUS, Trump's MO is hire lawyers and lie.

And he'll manage to do a lot of that during the next few months. Along with selling state secrets and pardons and executive orders. It's not like Trump was an unknown when his TeaParty base dodged the democratic system and got him installed in the White House.

Apparently, Trump is what Christianity means nowadays.
And conservative. And Republican. Any lie that might benefit you is OK. By the standards of Trump's base.
Tom
Trump and Kushner have surely acquired knowledge of government secrets worth billions to America's enemies. It would be sweet if China or some other country sets up a sting against the Trump family in an effort to improve their relationship with U.S. (Or, since 48% of U.S. voters support Trump treasons and crimes, would such a sting backfire?)

I'm sure Trump and Kushner will pull that off with all the finesse of a Saudi Hit Squad. Trump owes a lot of money and it's all secured with real estate. The people who hold the note don't really have a lot of use for the State secrets.
 

fromderinside

Mazzie Daius
This is silliness. We've been conducting presidential elections for over 230 years. Over that time processes have been developed and tested against the shrewdest power-hungry people that exist in society. Also Framers were familiar with many issues involved in elections and they sought to frame elections so as to simplify and protect against fraudulent elections. If these don't dissuade you maybe this article will help you understand why mucking with states won't work. The elector lists have already been elected and passed to the electoral college.

UNITED STATES — In the United States, citizens do not directly elect the president. .Instead, states appoint a number of electors equal to the number of representatives they have in Congress to the electoral college, a system that was devised in the 18th century by the founders of the United States.

Nov. 3, 2020 • States must appoint their electors to the electoral college on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November under a federal law passed by Congress in 1845.

Dec. 8, 2020 — While states aren't legally required to certify their results by this date, if they so do, they can avoid Congress getting involved and resolving a potential dispute over which candidate won a particular state's electoral college votes.


Dec.14, 2020 — On the second Monday after the second Wednesday in December, electors convene in all 50 states and the District of Columbia to formally cast their votes for president and vice president. They then send certificates of their vote to their state's chief election official (in most but not all states, this is the secretary of state), the National Archives, and the current president of the U.S. Senate.

Jan. 6, 2021 at 1 p.m. — The sitting vice president, acting as the Senate president, presides over a joint session of Congress to read aloud the certificates cast by the electors representing all 50 states and D.C. in alphabetical order to finalize the vote count.
If no members of Congress object to any of the certificates in writing, the Senate president officially certifies the selection of the president-elect and vice president-elect.

Jan. 20, 2021 at noon — The president and vice president are formally inaugurated and sworn into office. The president is sworn in by the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, and the vice president can be sworn in by another government official of their choosing.


from: Faithless electors https://www.latimes.com/politics/st...s-electors-safe-harbor-date-electoral-college
After the November general election, each state appoints a slate of electors chosen by the political party of the candidate that won the state’s popular vote. On the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December — Dec. 14 this year — the states’ electors formally choose the president.

Electors generally have pledged to vote for the candidate who won the popular vote in their state. However, there have been 165 instances of “faithless” electors voting for someone else, most often to protest the system or because a candidate died. In 2016, Trump lost two electors and Clinton lost five, changing the electoral college outcome to 304 votes for Trump and 227 for Hillary Clinton from the expected 306 to 232 tally.

Most states have laws[FONT=var(--body-font)] on the books to either fine electors who go rogue, cancel their vote and/or replace them with someone else. States’ right to enforce electors’ votes was [/FONT]upheld by the Supreme Court[FONT=var(--body-font)], after faithless Hillary Clinton electors from [/FONT]Washington[FONT=var(--body-font)] state challenged the $1,000 fine the state leveled against them. (In a separate case, three Colorado electors who were replaced after they refused to vote for Clinton also sued and lost.)[/FONT]

[FONT=var(--body-font)]If a state tried to ignore the popular vote and choose its own slate of electors, it would be in violation of federal law and give Congress the option to override the state’s decision. According to the National Task Force on Election Crises, a group of experts on election law and voting rights, the Electoral Count Act of 1887 requires Congress to go along with a state’s electors if they were chosen based on laws established before the November election.

“A post-Election Day appointment of a state legislature’s preferred slate of electors would almost always deviate from the legal process for appointing electors established by the state prior to Election Day,” the task force said in a report. “Losing the safe harbor protection leaves Congress to decide which electors to count from a state, without mandatory deference to the preferences of either the state’s voters or legislature.”[/FONT]

IOW don't look for any of these things to be attempted. They are obvious red flags of attempted cheating
 

Swammerdami

Squadron Leader
Staff member
This transition is unique. U.S.A. has had bad Presidents and bad Administrations before, but never before were they full-time criminals and blatant traitors like this bunch.

The only saving grace is that these criminals are unusually stupid. They had smarter crooks on their team, but have cast them off due to Trump's own insecurities and incompetence.

I expect no intelligent coup from the Trump family, beyond spending millions of taxpayer money on lawyers and inciting some of the stupider Deplorables to violence. The big fear is that Trump, like a 3-year old that doesn't get its way, will spend his last weeks in office doing damage out of petulance. Let's hope that some of the adults still in high positions will back up key documents, since Trump and his fellow crooks will want to work the paper shredders full-time.

How will the future play out for the crime family? Biden won't want to sow disunity by encouraging states to imprison the criminals. (Trump will give his entire crime family permanent immunity from federal prosecution.) Will Trump and Ivanka go back to selling crappy made-in-China goods? The international Trump brand will be in ruins, but with millions of America's stupidest admiring this cretin we might expect Trump Guns, Trump Trailer Parks, ...? Jared, for one, will surely be eager to sell national security secrets to the highest bidder; let's hope that top intelligence officers were smart enough to limit the info they gave these criminals.
 

Jimmy Higgins

Contributor
This is silliness. We've been conducting presidential elections for over 230 years. Over that time processes have been developed and tested against the shrewdest power-hungry people that exist in society. Also Framers were familiar with many issues involved in elections and they sought to frame elections so as to simplify and protect against fraudulent elections. If these don't dissuade you maybe this article will help you understand why mucking with states won't work. The elector lists have already been elected and passed to the electoral college.
We've already been down this road once, 1876. You don't need "faithless electors" is either, you get some states to provide Republican Slates or if you simply contest enough of them to drop Biden below 270.

I agree, this is crazy talk. But so is people defending a President who suggested the experts look into injecting disinfectant to help cure a disease. The GOP has not been sending many positive signals. Their reaction to the election at this point is nearly as unprecedented as Trump's.
 

Elixir

Content Thief
This transition is unique. U.S.A. has had bad Presidents and bad Administrations before, but never before were they full-time criminals and blatant traitors like this bunch.
The only saving grace is that these criminals are unusually stupid.

Stupidity and cowardice are the salvation of the Nation. Stupidity will play out as you describe. Trump will end up being trotted out by media moguls to attract the advertisers that feed them, and will be given "Apprentice-style" scripts to deliver in order to maintain the loyalty and purchasing power of the hundred million or so Stoopids who remain enthralled. He will be an enduring PITA to any administration that follows.

In the shorter term, the cowardice of those who remain in the orbit of Trump and his Crime Family will create a spectacle over the next ten weeks that will become a legendary example of disgrace. There will be rallies - one after another after another - exalting the President's performance with mind-numbing repetition of lies and distortions, all designed to placate the anger of the enraged toddler, distracting him from knocking all the products off the shelves in the Supermarket of executive power by handing him an endless series of shiny objects that are known to absorb his flickering attention.

The embarrassment is far from over. One can hope that as falsehood morphs further into fantasy, there will be some loss of support around the fringes. But as long as there are millions of easily manipulated fools hovering over the every word of the most easily manipulated fool ever to hold executive office, there will be those who eagerly capitalize on the adoring throngs.
 

Angry Floof

Tricksy Leftits
Staff member
This transition is unique. U.S.A. has had bad Presidents and bad Administrations before, but never before were they full-time criminals and blatant traitors like this bunch.
The only saving grace is that these criminals are unusually stupid.

Stupidity and cowardice are the salvation of the Nation. Stupidity will play out as you describe. Trump will end up being trotted out by media moguls to attract the advertisers that feed them, and will be given "Apprentice-style" scripts to deliver in order to maintain the loyalty and purchasing power of the hundred million or so Stoopids who remain enthralled. He will be an enduring PITA to any administration that follows.

In the shorter term, the cowardice of those who remain in the orbit of Trump and his Crime Family will create a spectacle over the next ten weeks that will become a legendary example of disgrace. There will be rallies - one after another after another - exalting the President's performance with mind-numbing repetition of lies and distortions, all designed to placate the anger of the enraged toddler, distracting him from knocking all the products off the shelves in the Supermarket of executive power by handing him an endless series of shiny objects that are known to absorb his flickering attention.

The embarrassment is far from over. One can hope that as falsehood morphs further into fantasy, there will be some loss of support around the fringes. But as long as there are millions of easily manipulated fools hovering over the every word of the most easily manipulated fool ever to hold executive office, there will be those who eagerly capitalize on the adoring throngs.

Yesterday, Fox News was referring to Biden as "President Elect" and prominent Republicans were calling for Trump to concede. Today, however, they have updated programming where they are now saying Trump won. Fox, Graham, they're now all saying he won and Biden lost. This is the coup. I've learned the hard way to not underestimate people with no conscience to mitigate the evil they will bring about. We're dealing with this for the long haul regardless of who is in the WH in January. Things are going to be much worse than we thought over the coming months and probably years. :(
 

TomC

Veteran Member
I'm a bit leery of Betfair, where punters are selling their Biden tickets for 94 cents on the dollar. This despite that Betfair's rules are to settle based on "projections" without waiting to see if electors are faithful.
Trump's MO can achieve something else.
He can, and probably will, undercut the institutions that have kept America Great. He's trashing the confidence the American people have in our institutions and government. From elections to SCOTUS, Trump's MO is hire lawyers and lie.

And he'll manage to do a lot of that during the next few months. Along with selling state secrets and pardons and executive orders. It's not like Trump was an unknown when his TeaParty base dodged the democratic system and got him installed in the White House.

Apparently, Trump is what Christianity means nowadays.
And conservative. And Republican. Any lie that might benefit you is OK. By the standards of Trump's base.
Tom
Trump and Kushner have surely acquired knowledge of government secrets worth billions to America's enemies. It would be sweet if China or some other country sets up a sting against the Trump family in an effort to improve their relationship with U.S. (Or, since 48% of U.S. voters support Trump treasons and crimes, would such a sting backfire?)

Is this about unfair, or about the pending legal challenges?

I don't understand your question.
We were both discussing Trump's ability to cause huge and long term damage to USA interests, if he remains true to form.

The legal challenges are ridiculous on the face. State legislatures can send anybody they want to the EC. They don't really have to hold elections at all. If the Republican dominated legislature of Pennsylvania decides to send 20 votes for Biden to the EC, SCOTUS doesn't have any reason to interfere.
Tom
 

Shadowy Man

Veteran Member
The legal challenges are ridiculous on the face. State legislatures can send anybody they want to the EC. They don't really have to hold elections at all. If the Republican dominated legislature of Pennsylvania decides to send 20 votes for Biden to the EC, SCOTUS doesn't have any reason to interfere.
Tom

We can find out how "originalist" the originalists are...
 

Loren Pechtel

Super Moderator
Staff member
Is this about unfair, or about the pending legal challenges?

I don't understand your question.
We were both discussing Trump's ability to cause huge and long term damage to USA interests, if he remains true to form.

The legal challenges are ridiculous on the face. State legislatures can send anybody they want to the EC. They don't really have to hold elections at all. If the Republican dominated legislature of Pennsylvania decides to send 20 votes for Biden to the EC, SCOTUS doesn't have any reason to interfere.
Tom

I'm asking if they aren't considering it settled because of all the lawsuits His Flatulence is filing.

Yes, they're garbage, but that doesn't mean it's sure the Supreme Court won't give it to him anyway.
 

fromderinside

Mazzie Daius
Yesterday, Fox News was referring to Biden as "President Elect" and prominent Republicans were calling for Trump to concede. Today, however, they have updated programming where they are now saying Trump won. Fox, Graham, they're now all saying he won and Biden lost. This is the coup. I've learned the hard way to not underestimate people with no conscience to mitigate the evil they will bring about. We're dealing with this for the long haul regardless of who is in the WH in January. Things are going to be much worse than we thought over the coming months and probably years. :(

Last I checked, people like Hannity and the guy who used to wear a bow tie are not part of FOX news which declared Biden winner of election two days ago. Biden wins election https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-wins-presidency-trump-fox-news-projects

It is troubling that opinion nuts who deny results are being featured on a network on record as having declared Biden president elect. There should be some sort of disclaimer entered by FOX every time these nuts spout falsehoods.
 

bilby

Fair dinkum thinkum
Is this about unfair, or about the pending legal challenges?

I don't understand your question.
We were both discussing Trump's ability to cause huge and long term damage to USA interests, if he remains true to form.

The legal challenges are ridiculous on the face. State legislatures can send anybody they want to the EC. They don't really have to hold elections at all. If the Republican dominated legislature of Pennsylvania decides to send 20 votes for Biden to the EC, SCOTUS doesn't have any reason to interfere.
Tom

I'm asking if they aren't considering it settled because of all the lawsuits His Flatulence is filing.

Yes, they're garbage, but that doesn't mean it's sure the Supreme Court won't give it to him anyway.

It's got to get to the Supreme Court first. There's plenty of lower courts that can reject frivolous claims for lack of evidence.
 

Jimmy Higgins

Contributor
I'm asking if they aren't considering it settled because of all the lawsuits His Flatulence is filing.

Yes, they're garbage, but that doesn't mean it's sure the Supreme Court won't give it to him anyway.

It's got to get to the Supreme Court first. There's plenty of lower courts that can reject frivolous claims for lack of evidence.
It won't even go to SCOTUS. It doesn't take much to disturb the Electoral College, just a lack of shame. The GOP doesn't need actual fraud to claim fraud.

Trump can't win this one in the courts. Counting the vote is kind of the basis of democracy. This isn't a standard issue or when ballots arrived issue. Trump's lawyers were haggling over feet (or thirds of meters).
 

Jimmy Higgins

Contributor
Is this about unfair, or about the pending legal challenges?

I don't understand your question.
We were both discussing Trump's ability to cause huge and long term damage to USA interests, if he remains true to form.

The legal challenges are ridiculous on the face. State legislatures can send anybody they want to the EC. They don't really have to hold elections at all. If the Republican dominated legislature of Pennsylvania decides to send 20 votes for Biden to the EC, SCOTUS doesn't have any reason to interfere.
Tom

I'm asking if they aren't considering it settled because of all the lawsuits His Flatulence is filing.

Yes, they're garbage, but that doesn't mean it's sure the Supreme Court won't give it to him anyway.
But what case is there to give him? SCOTUS won't throw it out because observers were 30 feet away instead of 6 feet. There are no hanging chad. The margin of victory takes care of issues regarding "true intent" of the voter on 'spoiled ballots'. Trump lost the count without "late" ballots. He has nothing in the courts.

His only path to a second term involves the implication of fraud, not actual fraud. And right now, the GOP is on the fence on usurping the clear mandate of the people, a mandate that is larger than what Trump had had in 2016.
 

Jimmy Higgins

Contributor
This is how it starts. Trump fired Sec of Defense Mark Esper.

article said:
President Donald Trump announced on Twitter Monday that he has fired Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, and that Christopher Miller, who serves as director of the National Counterterrorism Center, will become acting secretary "effective immediately."
Esper had been on shaky ground with the White House for months, a rift that deepened after he said in June that he did not support using active-duty troops to quell the large-scale protests across the United States triggered by the death of George Floyd at the hands of police. Esper also said military forces should be used in a law enforcement role only as a last resort

His remarks from the Pentagon briefing room were seen by many as an effort to distance himself from Trump's threats to deploy the military to enforce order on American city streets and went over poorly at the White House, multiple people familiar with the matter said.

There is absolutely no justification for firing the Secretary of Defense at this point other than consolidation of power. Chris Miller has been the Director of the NCC since August... 2020!
 

funinspace

Veteran Member
This is how it starts. Trump fired Sec of Defense Mark Esper.

article said:
President Donald Trump announced on Twitter Monday that he has fired Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, and that Christopher Miller, who serves as director of the National Counterterrorism Center, will become acting secretary "effective immediately."
Esper had been on shaky ground with the White House for months, a rift that deepened after he said in June that he did not support using active-duty troops to quell the large-scale protests across the United States triggered by the death of George Floyd at the hands of police. Esper also said military forces should be used in a law enforcement role only as a last resort

His remarks from the Pentagon briefing room were seen by many as an effort to distance himself from Trump's threats to deploy the military to enforce order on American city streets and went over poorly at the White House, multiple people familiar with the matter said.

There is absolutely no justification for firing the Secretary of Defense at this point other than consolidation of power. Chris Miller has been the Director of the NCC since August... 2020!
Clownstick doesn't suffer decency lightly. Throwing shit around on his way out would be more like his way... Esper was probably going to be fired even if the Dotard won re-election, kind of like Sessions.
 

ZiprHead

Loony Running The Asylum
Staff member

crazyfingers

Super Moderator
Staff member
This is how it starts. Trump fired Sec of Defense Mark Esper.

article said:
President Donald Trump announced on Twitter Monday that he has fired Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, and that Christopher Miller, who serves as director of the National Counterterrorism Center, will become acting secretary "effective immediately."
Esper had been on shaky ground with the White House for months, a rift that deepened after he said in June that he did not support using active-duty troops to quell the large-scale protests across the United States triggered by the death of George Floyd at the hands of police. Esper also said military forces should be used in a law enforcement role only as a last resort

His remarks from the Pentagon briefing room were seen by many as an effort to distance himself from Trump's threats to deploy the military to enforce order on American city streets and went over poorly at the White House, multiple people familiar with the matter said.

There is absolutely no justification for firing the Secretary of Defense at this point other than consolidation of power. Chris Miller has been the Director of the NCC since August... 2020!
Clownstick doesn't suffer decency lightly. Throwing shit around on his way out would be more like his way... Esper was probably going to be fired even if the Dotard won re-election, kind of like Sessions.

He's taking retaliation because Esper said essentially that the US military will not be used to subdue people who are exercising their rights under the first amendment and that civil authorities are perfectly capable of handling the few who become violent.

Of course we are talking about BLM protests. Had this been Trumps cultists, the same answer would have made Esper a star hero according to Trump.

Trump just goes lower and lower. It's what I feared. He's going for scorched Earth.
 

Angry Floof

Tricksy Leftits
Staff member
This is how it starts. Trump fired Sec of Defense Mark Esper.

article said:
President Donald Trump announced on Twitter Monday that he has fired Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, and that Christopher Miller, who serves as director of the National Counterterrorism Center, will become acting secretary "effective immediately."
Esper had been on shaky ground with the White House for months, a rift that deepened after he said in June that he did not support using active-duty troops to quell the large-scale protests across the United States triggered by the death of George Floyd at the hands of police. Esper also said military forces should be used in a law enforcement role only as a last resort

His remarks from the Pentagon briefing room were seen by many as an effort to distance himself from Trump's threats to deploy the military to enforce order on American city streets and went over poorly at the White House, multiple people familiar with the matter said.

There is absolutely no justification for firing the Secretary of Defense at this point other than consolidation of power. Chris Miller has been the Director of the NCC since August... 2020!

I'll bet Miller has indicated that he has no moral or ethical or constitutional issue with Trump using our military against US citizens.
 

Cheerful Charlie

Contributor
I'm asking if they aren't considering it settled because of all the lawsuits His Flatulence is filing.

Yes, they're garbage, but that doesn't mean it's sure the Supreme Court won't give it to him anyway.

It's got to get to the Supreme Court first. There's plenty of lower courts that can reject frivolous claims for lack of evidence.

So far, the Trump regime has filed 5 lawsuits that were tossed out of court to date. Rejecting frivolous lawsuits is what is in fact being done so far.
 
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